Metal is probably the worst music genre out of all.
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Stawks
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Yeah, I know. I'm being ignorant for fun. I dig. Opeth are a wicked talented band. There are a lot of metal bands with drummers who know what they're doing.
The kind of shit I'm referring too is shit like Shredo linked too. THAT IS NOT GOOD DRUMMING. That is a guy with a double pedal. That sort of shit impresses people but there's nothing too it.
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AlexInsane
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What's wrong with Hip Hop and Country?
I don't care about hip hop unless it's blaring right next to my room at 2 in the morning.
Country is just...a waste of time. To sing a country song, all you have to do is reference being drunk and losing a woman.
"Her name was Sharon
And she was gone like my Corona."
There you go. That's the whole song.
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do you not hear the complex cymbal structure? or does the screaming make you tune out everything? he doesnt constantly ride the doubles at high speeds, only when it fits the song. and he rarely blast beats.
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Stawks
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Meh. His feet are fast as hell, I gotta give him that. Plus I respect anyone who rocks two bass drums instead of a double pedal. So Keith Moon.
Towards the end he slows down and actually plays a grove for like two seconds, and it sounds really good. For most of the song he's just jerking off.
Brad Paisley, son.
I admit the breakdown at like :48 sounds pretty cool. But the cymbal structure isn't very complex, and he rides the doubles way more than he should. Like, it's good drumming for what the genre is, but the genre has a dumb idea for what drumming is.
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first verse up to the breakdown(the 'breakdown you mentioned is actually part of the first verse), plenty of complex cymbal structure. breakdown that starts at 1:08, the double bass follows the guitar chugs, which is an irregular pattern the way it is. breakdown that starts at 2:30, he throws some more complex shit in there as well. i wasnt meaning that the entire song is complex, but he has plenty of talent to say the very least.
also, isnt the drummer supposed to be what keeps the beat for the band? so really as long as they're doing that at least, then its what drumming is "supposed" to be.
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fuck yes, the red chord is the shit.
AlexInsane
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Is a bad joke, son.
Country music is so far from sophisticated or even meaningful that by not listening to it you will grow more intelligent as a person. Country is music you listen to when even Top 40 has abandoned you, that's what country is.
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Stawks
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Breakdown, verse, whatever. The part where it slows down.
I hear the cymbals you're hearing, it just isn't that complex. He's blasting away and throwing in a cymbal on the four - it's not complicated it's basic command of rhythm. What he does later on with his splash isn't really any more complex, it's just a bit faster. And besides, at those speeds it really doesn't matter what he plays. He can be off by a whole beat but it doesn't matter one bit because of how close together they are. i.e. there's no feel involved just speed. Which was my point.
You're right. I said as much. 'Metal doesn't know shit about drums.' I'm not criticizing the guy as much as the genre - there's no groove or feel in any of this hardcore screamo bullshit (I know it's not screamo. I refuse to play Name That Genre! with you.) It's all speed. And speed gets boring.
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hes actually hitting the snare and a crash on the 1, the splash on the 1.5, a different crash on the 2, the hat on the 2.5, the snare and the china on the 3, splash on the 3.25, and the hat again on 4. put it in decimals because im not sure if your familiar with the 1 ee and uh 2 ee and uh 3 ee and uh 4 ee and uh counting. and while this is going on, hes hitting the kick at, 1 and 2, 3 ee and uh 4 ee and uh.
idk, to me thats pretty fucking complex, but im no drummer, im a guitarist.
edit: forgot about this part
its a different kind of groove. i can also show you plenty of "core" bands that arent all about speed.
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Shred Uhh Sore Us
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personally i love breakdowns, i dont understand why some people think theyre the worst thing ever. sure, many(quite possibly, most) breakdowns are all open chugs, but its a section of the song based entirely on rhythm. breakdowns add a certain feel and atmosphere to the music that nothing else can, especially at a live show. yup, im one of the people who roundhouse inches from faces and crowd kill at shows. its how i(and plenty of other people) get into the music.
blast beats, i dig them but theyre not my favorite, but if the part of the song calls for a blast beat, then fucking blast beat. but it does get old when a song is comprised entirely of blast beats.
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That's cool. I still find them horrendous and absolutely retarded. It's sad when I like a song only to have a breakdown kill it or to find out that most of the drumming consists of double bass kicking blast beats and shit drums. And moshing is pretty juvenile too.
Do what you want though.
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you really let one part of a song ruin it for you?
i pity you, and that wasnt sarcasm either...
and how do you like a song then later notice the drums?
i mosh because its fun. just out of curiosity, what do you do at shows?
also, i think im just cursed with being able to see talent in all music.
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No you see, there are things such as intros to songs without any drums in them. Bands do it from time to time, maybe you've heard of such a thing. I know it's a novel concept, but humor me here please. And fast drumming isn't the problem, I can stand a blast beat for awhile. It's when you slowly realize that then entirety of the song consists of that.
..... :|....... ....... FUCKAnd don't pity me, I have plenty of music. Really, not liking a mediocre metal band isn't a big deal.
And no. Dancing/singing/shouting/drinking
You know, actually watching the band I want to see. Really, you can act all fucktarded with people in a pit if you want. I really could care less what you do. It's not like a go to brootal shows where this is a problem anyway.
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ok, you didnt make it very clear exactly what you were talking about, you were pretty vague about it.
And fast drumming isn't the problem, I can stand a blast beat for awhile. It's when you slowly realize that then entirety of the song consists of that.
i feel you on that one...to an extent.
read the last line of my last post that you quoted.
i do all of this too, (well, not the drinking yet, ill be be 21 in 2 weeks =D, though if i drink at shows, ill more than likely get in a fight with some "tuff guy" that cant grasp the concept of stay away from the pit if you dont want to get hit)
im all over the place at shows, from the pit to right in front of the stage, to on the stage with the band, to diving off the stage. not necessarily in that order though ;p
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Yeah I saw that. I just don't... care how talented or hard it is. If it doesn't sound good, it doesn't sound good. No reason to torture myself to with an extremely boring piece of music because it is really hard to play. But like I said, people can listen to what they want. Probably the greatest thing about the internet. I'll still silently judge them all though. D:<
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to me talent isnt necessarily about complexity or skill, though they do often play a part in it. i see the ability to compose music of any kind as talent. even if i find something boring i wont talk down about it, i just have too much respect for music in general to do that(with very few exceptions. very. few.). its cool that you like what you like, and dont like what doesnt appeal to you, thats how it is with any sort of interest. im not saying you should listen to something you dont want to or dont like just because the music took talent to create. it just urks me when people disregard talent and call something shit, and i always feel the need to defend it.
to me music =/= life
music > life