I do see some people in here trying way too hard on what ultimately comes to just another persons opinion :v
to me talent isnt necessarily about complexity or skill, though they do often play a part in it. i see the ability to compose music of any kind as talent. even if i find something boring i wont talk down about it, i just have too much respect for music in general to do that(with very few exceptions. very. few.). its cool that you like what you like, and dont like what doesnt appeal to you, thats how it is with any sort of interest. im not saying you should listen to something you dont want to or dont like just because the music took talent to create. it just urks me when people disregard talent and call something shit, and i always feel the need to defend it.
to me music =/= life
music > life
I think that's the weed talking. But really, it's often not good song composition. That's the entire problem behind it. A bunch of carbon copy bands sticking to the same formula that made one band great isn't good song composition. I don't find it talented at all. It's a bunch of the same ol' shit that came before it.
And moshing is pretty juvenile too.
im actually sober kthnx ;p
like i said, I see talent in all music, even in the few bands that i hate(except for Waking the Cadaver, they can say cheese and die for all i care, but even then, i can STILL see some talent in their music). it might as well be a curse.
also youd be amazed at how much variety there is in the genre. yes, there are plenty of bands that sound similar to others, but that happens in all genres of music.
i can show you a few if youd like, if not, then thats your choice. im not forcing you to listen to or like something, i just like introducing people to new music that they wouldnt normally come across. i also like trying to change people's biased opinions and getting them to see both sides of something, but some people will think the same regardless of what you say.
im having fun either way. i love talking about/discussing/debating/arguing over/showing people music.
music > life
id die without it.
Well maybe that hXe shit but like at a good (or it doesn't even have to be good) punk show
And with my new glasses I don't have to worry about them getting knocked off
They don't let anyone over 30 in the pit at Slayer shows
At least that's what I read in Thrasher
Go ahead. I do have to question your definition of talent though. I don't see how they have a marked innate ability or a superior quality when that is exactly what is in question for that particular music. At what point does a diamond in a turd become talent and not an accident?
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Shred, you're trying WAY too hard.
to me talent comes in many forms and can range from having just some talent(which to me is still having talent) to being extremely talented. the amount of talent someone has can increase over time. but again, this is how i look at it.
you may see the talent that i see in some of these bands, you also may not see any talent in any of them.
i think i did a pretty decent job of picking bands and songs that dont sound the same. a few of these bands are more talented than the others. lol and no, you dont have to listen to them all(or any of them actually), but feel free to if you want to. these are just a few of my favorites.
wow, that took forever x.x
also you may retort with some bands that you think are very talented, im always open to hearing new music.
It's funny, cause so many of them do sound the same to me. Chuggas with a backing bass pedal and a crash. I'm not saying they aren't talented as in playing their instruments. It just.. doesn't seem like a creative process at all to write half the songs in your links. Save Between the Buried and Me then entire genre seems lacking in any creativity. The ones that were fast, like white chapel, had the go to drum pattern for metalcore. Conducting From the Grave kinda reaffirmed my whole ruining a song point with me. Melodic intro and then straight to generic metalcore. I always thought Iwrestledabearonce was a joke band? Was I told wrong?
Between the Buried and Me is always awesome though.
I guess here's my list for now.
If you have an ear for it, you can really appreciate how difficult some of it is, like Metallica, etc.
thats whats up, i love BTBAM. i figured that at least a few of them would turn you off as soon as it went to a breakdown or a 2-step style beat. im actually surprised you didnt have something to say about veil of maya, their guitarist has a lot of jazz influence, and they play in a lot of odd time signatures and do time changes instead of writing all their songs strictly in 4/4, same with born of osiris(13 time signature changes in that one song, quite a few of them only lasting a measure or two), also the trippy oriental sounding synth during that breakdown halfway through sucks me in every time, i fucking love it. most of the bands on my list use a lot of music theory when they write their music.
i see a lot of creativity in all of those bands, but i also love the genre, so i hear every variation, i can even tell the difference between vocalists. a lot of people think all screaming sounds exactly the same and that anyone can do it, i think those people dont really pay attention to the way it sounds, they just hear it and dont like it and dont consider anything other than
"this sucks". i can hear the differences in the guitar work and drumming, but these are also songs that im very familiar with. you dont always catch everything the first time you listen to it.
but i like the fact that you actually took the time to listen to my list. whether or not you listened to them all in their entirety, i dont know, but i cant say i expected you to. but you at least gave them a chance and didnt respond with "OMG THIS SHIT SUCKSSS", i respect that a lot.
as far as your list goes, i dig it. theres a lot of good "chill time music"(music that i just want to chill to) on it. a few ive heard of (depeche mode, the melvins), but most were new to me. nothing on it that i dont like, but mostly not stuff im crazy about and would listen to over and over, but still good music. what can i say, im a sucker for breakdowns, especially when theyre polyrhythms(im huge on music theory if you havent figured that out by now >.>). your list has more variety than mine, but then again it covers several genres vs my list covering only 1(well, 2 if you want to get technical and say metalcore and deathcore).
also, IWABO are signed to century media, theyre pretty serious about their shit. i love them, theyre so different.
Country is definitely up there on my list -- fucking shit makes my ears bleed.
A lot of the shit in the hardcore techno tree will make you wanna blow you brains out -- noizecore, gabber, rotterdam, etc. -- hardcore rave shit.
Pure. Fucking. Noise.
Veil of Maya starts nice but then goes straight into generic metalcore with the blast beats and then a minute into 1-e-and-a chuggas with the stops. The melody were reminded me of Animals as Leaders, well until they through it away.
I'm pretty sure Brenden Small is the most talented musician out there.
that breakdown is way more technical than you give it credit for ;p
plus, how many metalcore bands do you know that use 6 string jazz chords?
there are key elements of metalcore that can be seen in all metalcore bands, but thats how any genre is. thats what makes bands fall under a certain genre, is having those key elements. every band in existence does their own take on the genre they fall under.
here check this out, i think youll have some appreciation for this.
also, that BTBAM song...has 3 breakdowns in it >.>