NC, USA: Man Fires Shotgun Into Neighbor's Yard Sign Against Ammendment One

[Ikrit]

In NC, it's apparently the one defining marriage.

i live here and never heard of it...strange....

 

[JArt.]

How the fuck is just shooting a gun in the middle of a city just 'cause you feel like it legal?

I'm more impressed at gun laws than I am at the sign thing.

Anybody who is willing to get out their shotgun and shoot a sign because it was on their property, dosen't give a fuck about gun laws.

 

[Term_the_Schmuck]

Now, now, Term.

I never said he couldn't have his (albeit idiotic) opinion. But I think the rules of basic fucking decency to your fellow man is a little more important than being a gun-waving dickbag because someone doesn't like the idea of fags getting hitched.

And I am open to learning unlike most, so you don't need to be an ass either. Really.

So according to your rules of decency he isn't allowed to express himself? Seems a little backwards to me. That kind of logic can be flipped to say that anyone supporting gay rights in public is being indecent for openly discussing sexual deviancy in public where children may be present. :V

Being open to learning is one thing. Presenting something as a fact without actually having a base knowledge of the subject in question is another thing. This isn't the first time you've posted this, Glitch, and it's almost verbatim what you said before.

It's absolutely his prerogative to act like a dick and broadcast it. As long as he hasn't done something illegal, such as what I brought up about the possibility he stole that sign and vandalized it, then just because you don't like his opinion doesn't mean he needs to be silenced or stop doing what he's doing.

 

[Aetius]

I'm more impressed at gun laws than I am at the sign thing.

You should totally see Arizona's gun laws.

They almost made it a right to carry a handgun into a college class.

 

[Spatel]

Yeah... I live in that state. There is a chance, albeit a small one, that the amendment will not pass. Most North Carolinians support civil unions for same-sex couples at least, but they don't understand that the amendment bans those. The wording of the law is carefully crafted to sound innocuous, when actually it's taking away most people's rights (including hetero couples).

So it's a tough slog right now, educating as many people as possible what the law will do.

 

[Rhampage]

Another well educated individual bringing a GREAT reputation to the south. :V

 

[Glitch]

So according to your rules of decency he isn't allowed to express himself? Seems a little backwards to me. That kind of logic can be flipped to say that anyone supporting gay rights in public is being indecent for openly discussing sexual deviancy in public where children may be present. :V

Being open to learning is one thing. Presenting something as a fact without actually having a base knowledge of the subject in question is another thing. This isn't the first time you've posted this, Glitch, and it's almost verbatim what you said before.

It's absolutely his prerogative to act like a dick and broadcast it. As long as he hasn't done something illegal, such as what I brought up about the possibility he stole that sign and vandalized it, then just because you don't like his opinion doesn't mean he needs to be silenced or stop doing what he's doing.

So I was wrong, big whoop. I'm only human. At least I try to educate myself instead of saying "NO UR RONG."

I'm typically more-than-fair to hicks like these. I deal with little Bible-thumpers in my school (I am way outnumbered in most of my classes), get regularly ridiculed by them, told that I am diseased (aka gay) and going to Hell. I deal with my idiot mother who tries to shove Jesus down my throat. But enough is eventually enough. Especially when APs and teachers at the school say "kids will be kids" whenever shit happens. I haven't beaten anyone up yet, and I get provoked plenty of times in a day. I'd have to say that I am doing a damn good job in holding myself back.

As far as the First Amendment goes, my issue stems from a little teenager said it's well within his right as an American to desecrate my name because he simply doesn't like me. (He abuses his girlfriend and blames me for it, simply because I stood up to him.) I was never taught that stupid, pathetic slander like that was protected. So my freaking apologies; I was so stupid in thinking that bullying is totally not "OK" in this country because our Constitution was written with that shit in mind.

So there, backstory that you don't care about/don't care to hear, but needed to be spilled anyway because I've got more shit in life to deal with than most give me credit for.

 

[Evan of Phrygia]

Oh, guys.

You got shit all over the fan.

 

[Term_the_Schmuck]

So I was wrong, big whoop. I'm only human. At least I try to educate myself instead of saying "NO UR RONG."

You weren't just wrong Glitch. You presented your incorrect information in such a matter-of-fact tone that anyone disagreeing with you must be a complete idiot with no concept as to what the First Amendment is all about. Hence the harshness of my response.

I'm typically more-than-fair to hicks like these. I deal with little Bible-thumpers in my school (I am way outnumbered in most of my classes), get regularly ridiculed by them, told that I am diseased (aka gay) and going to Hell. I deal with my idiot mother who tries to shove Jesus down my throat. But enough is eventually enough. Especially when APs and teachers at the school say "kids will be kids" whenever shit happens. I haven't beaten anyone up yet, and I get provoked plenty of times in a day. I'd have to say that I am doing a damn good job in holding myself back.

What's the purpose of your sob story here? Because you feel wronged about how people are treating you in what I assume is high school that doesn't mean that the redneck in this video is wrong for what he did. He isn't harassing anyone in the video. He's making his opinion on a political matter known in such a way that can only be assumed as a legal means since we don't know how that sign got in his possession. Because you were made fun of and you hate your mom doesn't mean Joe-Sixpack in that video shouldn't be allowed to upload that video.

As far as the First Amendment goes, my issue stems from a little teenager said it's well within his right as an American to desecrate my name because he simply doesn't like me. (He abuses his girlfriend and blames me for it, simply because I stood up to him.) I was never taught that stupid, pathetic slander like that was protected. So my freaking apologies; I was so stupid in thinking that bullying is totally not "OK" in this country because our Constitution was written with that shit in mind.

So there, backstory that you don't care about/don't care to hear, but needed to be spilled anyway because I've got more shit in life to deal with than most give me credit for.

Bullying implies harassment. Harassment is never okay. Making a video where you say "Marriage is a right between a man and a woman" and you take a shotgun to a sign supporting gay marriage isn't harassment. You seem to have a fundamental problem differentiating the two.

If you're so concerned about him assassinating your character, then hire a lawyer. Just be aware that defamation via slander consists of him saying statements that 1) aren't true, 2) are expressed to a third party, 3) that he has some degree of fault, and 4) that actual harm or damage has occurred because of what he said about you. Your hurt feelings don't count.

But that "little teenager" isn't the dude in the video. And you making the claim he has a small mind and/or penis is just as much within your rights as him saying that you shouldn't be allowed to be in a gay relationship and destroy a sign that he acquired legitimately.

 

[Glitch]

You weren't just wrong Glitch. You presented your incorrect information in such a matter-of-fact tone that anyone disagreeing with you must be a complete idiot with no concept as to what the First Amendment is all about. Hence the harshness of my response.



What's the purpose of your sob story here? Because you feel wronged about how people are treating you in what I assume is high school that doesn't mean that the redneck in this video is wrong for what he did. He isn't harassing anyone in the video. He's making his opinion on a political matter known in such a way that can only be assumed as a legal means since we don't know how that sign got in his possession. Because you were made fun of and you hate your mom doesn't mean Joe-Sixpack in that video shouldn't be allowed to upload that video.



Bullying implies harassment. Harassment is never okay. Making a video where you say "Marriage is a right between a man and a woman" and you take a shotgun to a sign supporting gay marriage isn't harassment. You seem to have a fundamental problem differentiating the two.

If you're so concerned about him assassinating your character, then hire a lawyer. Just be aware that defamation via slander consists of him saying statements that 1) aren't true, 2) are expressed to a third party, 3) that he has some degree of fault, and 4) that actual harm or damage has occurred because of what he said about you. Your hurt feelings don't count.

But that "little teenager" isn't the dude in the video. And you making the claim he has a small mind and/or penis is just as much within your rights as him saying that you shouldn't be allowed to be in a gay relationship and destroy a sign that he acquired legitimately.

I'm keeping this short, or at least will try to.

It is homophobic idiots like these that are spreading their damn disease of intolerance. You can't fix gay, but you can fix ignorance. You appeared to be accusing me of intolerance when I am actually pretty damn tolerant of bullshit, hence the "sob story". I've been chased out of schools because of people who thought just like this man. It wouldn't be too much of a leap to say this man is the type to openly insult homosexuals.

I've had a hard time with differentiating things, especially now. My views are rather black and white, especially when people are insulting my lifestyle/orientation.


Now for your checklist.

1. Yep, he lies all of the time. No shock.
2. He blabs to every damn person he can.
3. All he can do is spit out names and demonize me for what he thinks I have done.
4. Every damn person he has talked to (all members of the third party) has turned against me for this. They don't even bother listening to me.

So yes, I think that qualifies as slander. Even if it didn't, still is harassment. But whatever. Like you care about high schoolers getting harassed. Especially when they are just hormonal little brats like me, right?

I'm done with this. There are too many outside things going on for me to keep ranting; Internet is kind of the lower priority.

 

[Aleu]

He is within his right to voice his opinion but it's quite unnecessary and very intimidating how he voiced it. Just my two cents.

At least he shot the sign and not people so there's that I suppose.

 

[Term_the_Schmuck]

It is homophobic idiots like these that are spreading their damn disease of intolerance. You can't fix gay, but you can fix ignorance. You appeared to be accusing me of intolerance when I am actually pretty damn tolerant of bullshit, hence the "sob story". I've been chased out of schools because of people who thought just like this man. It wouldn't be too much of a leap to say this man is the type to openly insult homosexuals.

Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. Frankly he did neither of those things in the video so you can't really make the claim either way with absolute certainty. And even if he does, that still doesn't mean that the video he posted is in any way, shape, or form unfit for broadcast. It's not fair of you to make the claim he's a dangerous man just as it wouldn't be fair of me to say you're a potential domestic terrorist because you said "fuck America" or went outside tomorrow and burned an American flag.

I've had a hard time with differentiating things, especially now. My views are rather black and white, especially when people are insulting my lifestyle/orientation.

Well this guy didn't insult your lifestyle or orientation in that video. He voiced his opinion on the issue of gay marriage.

Now for your checklist...

So yes, I think that qualifies as slander. Even if it didn't, still is harassment. But whatever. Like you care about high schoolers getting harassed. Especially when they are just hormonal little brats like me, right?

Then hire a lawyer if you think you have a case. I don't know what these "lies" are as I'm only taking your word that he lies to begin with. Complaining about him slandering here doesn't help you. Take legal action if it's that much of a problem.

I'm dead serious.

 

[zachhart12]

Nevermind, 2nd link works but you have to copy and paste it. Clicking doesn't work.

 

[Trpdwarf]

He is within his right to voice his opinion but it's quite unnecessary and very intimidating how he voiced it. Just my two cents.

At least he shot the sign and not people so there's that I suppose.

Voicing your opinion means "Talking about it". Taking a sign and shooting it to intimidate people is not the same as "expressing your opinion". That's just my two cents though. I would not want to live next to anyone who thinks shooting into a sign is a great way to express their opinion. This is a very violent way to go about it and it also sets a very bad example for younger people.

So much of the aggression, violence, and hate you see from kids towards gays comes from parents who think it is okay to express their "Feelings" in violent, aggressive, and hateful ways. You have your RIGHT to opinion when you choose to voice it responsibly.

 

[Bliss]

This Amendment One needs to be struck down.

 

[Dreaming]

He seems awfully friendly...there are some worrying signs in this video :V

Also, the second link didn't work.

 

[LouyieBlu]

I live near Tacoma too Static!, that didnt sound creepy, I wonder at myself sometimes
Anyway, I think that he has the right to express his opinion, but its just unnecessary when you have to bring violence into a situation to prove your point.
Sadly this happens a lot when you live on a planet like Earth.

 

[Inciatus]

So, how's the anti-equality movement gonna spin THIS?

[video=youtube;5DKtT-7gwMI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DKtT-7gwMI[/video]

DO NOT FLAG THE VIDEO! instead, make the video go viral.

And in case this guy turns into a coward and takes down his video:

[video=youtube;M6KQVbvhCR4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6KQVbvhCR4[/video]

Original taken down.
Secondary is blank.

 

[Lobar]

Redneck conservatives, continuing to do wonders to fight the stereotype of their inability to resolve disagreement without violence.

Also when I first heard about this story, it was stated that he had stolen the sign from an Amendment 1 opponent's property, but it was a blog and not a news article so it could be mistaken.

 

[Brazen]

It is homophobic idiots like these that are spreading their damn disease of intolerance. You can't fix gay, but you can fix ignorance. You appeared to be accusing me of intolerance when I am actually pretty damn tolerant of bullshit, hence the "sob story". I've been chased out of schools because of people who thought just like this man. It wouldn't be too much of a leap to say this man is the type to openly insult homosexuals.

1. Call someone diseased for their beliefs.
2. Say that they can be "fixed" and should be "fixed".
3. Claim you're not intolerant in the slightest.

I don't care about your life experiences, the adult world doesn't operate on the schoolyard logic of "but they started it". Don't project your own personal grievances onto everyone if you want to have some sort of high-ground in an argument like this.

 

[Sar]

Another brick of stupidity in the wall of YouTube.

 

[Bipolar Bear]

Another brick of stupidity in the wall of YouTube.

Hmmm... Let me just pull up this chart here... Cool! We're now 12,347,629 bricks into our 'Great Wall of YouTube Idiocy'.

 

[Glitch]

1. Call someone diseased for their beliefs.
2. Say that they can be "fixed" and should be "fixed".
3. Claim you're not intolerant in the slightest.

I don't care about your life experiences, the adult world doesn't operate on the schoolyard logic of "but they started it". Don't project your own personal grievances onto everyone if you want to have some sort of high-ground in an argument like this.

Homophobia is a plague in society. I never said they "should" be fixed, so don't stick words in my mouth. And I said I am "pretty damn tolerant" for dealing with the shit I do. I'm not innocent. I've been intolerant as fuck before. But then again, I want my right to marriage.

Make all the snide remarks you want about how marriage is shit or whatever. I really couldn't care. I still want my rights, and not to have them put up to vote.

 

[staticman0]

Link should work, it's public.

 

[Term_the_Schmuck]

Voicing your opinion means "Talking about it".

Since when? Because I've seen plenty of people voice their opinions through artistic expression, protests, and other means without having another party present for discourse. Hell, some people have set themselves on fire or defecate on an American flag to demonstrate their convictions to their opinion. There's no rule that voicing or expressing yourself has to be done through a one-on-one discourse.

Taking a sign and shooting it to intimidate people is not the same as "expressing your opinion".

That's just my two cents though. I would not want to live next to anyone who thinks shooting into a sign is a great way to express their opinion. This is a very violent way to go about it and it also sets a very bad example for younger people.

How do you know this video was meant to intimidate? For all we know, if the sign was placed on his property it's absolutely his right to dispose of it in any means he sees fit. If he chooses to use it as target practice, who are we to say he can't as long as he's abiding by local gun ordinances?

You have your RIGHT to opinion when you choose to voice it responsibly.

The only way this wasn't responsible is if he stole that sign off of someone else's lawn, because then he'd actually be committing a crime.

Also when I first heard about this story, it was stated that he had stolen the sign from an Amendment 1 opponent's property, but it was a blog and not a news article so it could be mistaken.

I've seen a lot of people make that claim too. In the video he says "near" his property which could mean anything. Was it on his lawn? Was it on someone elses? Was it on public property?

But to me the main issue people are having here is what he did with the sign rather than how he acquired it, so I'm going on the assumption he got it legitimately for the purpose of talking about expression.