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My personal answer is NO: I'm absolutely not tired of art and artists. This simply because I like drawing, I've been drawing since I was able to grab a pencil and I like to see how art and artists evolve. I agree with your topic, although I prefer to use terms like "some artists" and not "the artists". We're not all the same.
Honestly, I don't like user galleries full of commissions: I feel as if I'm in a shop. I don't like those artists who draw mainly for money. I don't like those artists who behave as if they were developing the cure for the cancer, while they're just drawing a furry porn comic.
I like those artists who draws because they love do it and share their opera with the idea that when you share your art/comics/stories they come to life.
 

Fiorabeast

Always ill as hell
Err.. So... tell me if I'm wrong in understanding what you are trying to say because I have a small brain here...
Are you saying that way back in the day, there was a lot more creativity and stuff because people created out of 'love and passion' and stuff, but nowadays, it's 'boring' and repetitive because nothing new is being brought to the table and it's all about money and just trying to gain views by drawing what is popular and stuff?

If that's what you are saying, well... On one hand as an artist I DO get really frustrated (actually, I'm still am) when I'm trying to draw what I want, which is original content, and hoping people will see that hard work I do. But as a result, it doesn't get ANY attention at all which just depresses and frustrates me to no end. Then I see something like fan art get WAY MORE attention and notes, that it's like the audience would rather see and give THAT more praise then the original content the artist is creating. Because of that, us artists who would rather do our own thing, sometimes have to cave and draw fan art just to get people to notice them. I hate to admit this, but I hate fan art because of how it seems you NEED that to get people to look at your work at all. I like looking at them, but drawing them is difficult for me to the point that I'm thinking about giving up art AGAIN due to this.
The saying of 'draw what you want and people will come to you' just rings so hollow and untrue now.

Though I disagree with how everything is boring and repetitive as I think it, again stems from how the audience has this expectancy of seeing something familiar and stuff or the artist themselves lack knowledge in making their art standout (for example, maybe there is an artist who combines their love for furs AND food to make a fursona with food as the theme/motif. Something that hasn't been done before basically). Not to mention, I just think it depends on what website you are on where the art varies in quality and stuff factors in because there are a LOT of different places where you can find that art you like to look at nowadays.

And really, there are a lot of artists that are disabled or for health reasons, physical and mentality wise, CANNOT get a regular job due to that so they have to rely on their artwork to make ends meet. Plus, their regular work doesn't pay the bills and living expenses enough either sometimes. Like yeah, it's nice that there are people who draw for fun but for others it's work and a job because drawing is similar in working hours due to the amount of time a certain piece takes, plus cost of materials. And really, people WANT to do something they love, and if it also makes them a living too, why is that a bad thing? If you didn't realize, but Michelangelo and a LOT of the artists in Art History were PAID (aka commissioned) to paint/sculpt church walls and stuff.
 

ResolutionBlaze

Angry Local
Banned
Too many artists stop drawing what they like, and just go with what’s popular. That’s their choice, and I’m tired of hearing complaints about it. If you don’t like it, don’t do it. If I were an artist, I’d rather draw what I love and get no attention, than draw what I don’t want and get all the attention.

On another note, some people like those cyan colored animals and there’s nothing wrong with that. That my friend, is the beauty of art! You can view whatever you want, and if it’s not what you like, don’t look at it :3

Would you write a book that no one will read?

Would you make a besutiful sculpture and put it in a park that nobody goes to?

It seems like people who say this wildly underestimate the importance of feedback, especially for stuff that requires effort.
 
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Ginza

Guest
Would you write a book that no one will read?

Would you make a besutiful sculpture and put it in a park that nobody goes to?

It seems like people who say this wildly underestimate the importance of feedback, especially for stuff that requires effort.

Honestly, I would. I draw, write, and do plenty of things privately. I share them on occasion. One day I may publish it. However, I don’t do things just to please others, especially not when I hate it.


If you hate it so much, at least don’t bitch about it is all I think
 

Mosie

Werewolf Hugging Pro
oooh i love the yowie toys and the chocolate *cough* as for art, nope, will never get boring. I find something interesting every day, whether it be based on technique, subject or humor.
 

ResolutionBlaze

Angry Local
Banned
Honestly, I would. I draw, write, and do plenty of things privately. I share them on occasion. One day I may publish it. However, I don’t do things just to please others, especially not when I hate it.


If you hate it so much, at least don’t bitch about it is all I think

Isn't that the opposite of what you should do for things you don't like?
 

ResolutionBlaze

Angry Local
Banned
I’m sorry, maybe I’m just tired, but I don’t quite understand the question.

If you don't like the state of something you should say something about it.

Having to draw NSFW stuff just to garner attention is a negative trait of the fandom. People are right to complain about it.
 
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Ginza

Guest
If you don't like the state of something you should say something about it.

Having to draw NSFW stuff just to garner attention is a negative trait of the fandom. People are right to complain about it.

You absolutely have a right to complain- when you offer solutions as well. The issue is however, that there’s a really easy solution: don’t draw that. Frankly, art isn’t a sustainable source of income whether you draw popular content, or unpopular. You have an easy out, and nobody is forcing you to stay in. Why wouldn’t you just stop then instead of complaining?
 

ResolutionBlaze

Angry Local
Banned
You absolutely have a right to complain- when you offer solutions as well. The issue is however, that there’s a really easy solution: don’t draw that. Frankly, art isn’t a sustainable source of income whether you draw popular content, or unpopular. You have an easy out, and nobody is forcing you to stay in. Why wouldn’t you just stop then instead of complaining?

That's like asking users to "just stop" using FA despite having most of their art and income there and it being the most popular site or well known.

It's inconvenient and being forced to adapt to a routine that is not guaranteed to work as well isn't as attractive as going with what you've always gone with, even if you hate it.
 
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Ginza

Guest
That's like asking users to "just stop" using FA despite having most of their art and income there and it being the most popular site or well known.

It's inconvenient and being forced to adapt to a routine that is not guaranteed to work as well isn't as attractive as going with what you've always gone with, even if you hate it.

Obviously the artist started somewhere. They could easily go back to what they love doing. All in all, just getting tired of artists being in total control of their actions, yet making a conscious decision to continue doing wht they hate. Anyways, don’t want to derail the thread further :p
 

pandasayori

Dreaming Hobbyist
I honestly don’t see there being a decrease in NSFW furry art any time soon. The best thing I can think of is artists drawing more art with SFW themes — but that’s a decision saved for each individual creator. Artists can choose if they do or don’t want to share what they make, just like artists can choose if they want to draw of leisure or payment. To go with what’s popular or break away from it and create their own things. All of that is a personal decision, not necessarily a fandom one in my opinion.

Ginza is right about there not being an easy solution, but pitching fits without offering ideas or suggestions won’t help. Can’t fix a problem without trying to figure out possible solutions.
 

Dongding

The sheep
Having to draw NSFW stuff just to garner attention is a negative trait of the fandom. People are right to complain about it.
Unfortunately if you consider the reason the fandom garners attention in that way, it's probably because the fandom is comprised of those people, and aren't just the scum inbetween. They're the majority. (Or popular content matter might suggest, they're at the very least the majority exchangers for the content produced for their consumers.)

In a way with that being said, it's an unbiased selection of the population willing to pay for art that caters to their particular tastes in true furry fashion, which tends to be adults who have jobs and money. I've personally never experienced some of the creativity/depravity that's been simultaneously offered from all angles the way the fandom does. I think it's pleasant and interesting but I'm a little warped, or at least not shaped the way society tried to shape me.

I think everyone knows or ought to know that complaining just makes the problem more noticeable without making it go away. The way provocative furry art seems to sell is more telling of the overall selection of people choosing to participate. In situations where beating them or joining them isn't particularly savory, there's always an unpresented middle ground where you simply don't bother yourself with it because it bothers you too much being powerless.
 

Skychickens

Late Healer Ferret
Would you write a book that no one will read?

Would you make a besutiful sculpture and put it in a park that nobody goes to?

It seems like people who say this wildly underestimate the importance of feedback, especially for stuff that requires effort.
I have and continue to do so.

I make beautiful sculptures all the time and they stay on my shelf or in my own gardens, so yes.

I understand where you’re coming from. I took six months off of doing commissions at one point because I was discouraged everyone wanted fanart and things I didn’t like. I don’t get as much money right now no. I learned I feel better without fake praise and always cashing out that I do things entirely for my own fun now. I feel better. And it is fun when I do manage to make a sale. I get really excited when people find me or pay me for things. I usually get noticed by networking—like you do with any job. I used to make a living doing floral arrangements and little designs around my town and making adoptables online. That was infinitely more fun than catering to what others wanted me to do.

But careful with absolutes like “all” “every” and “no.” There are plenty that don’t, and things like this merely spiral into fights and locking instead of healthy discussion if you’re not careful.
 

ResolutionBlaze

Angry Local
Banned
I honestly don’t see there being a decrease in NSFW furry art any time soon. The best thing I can think of is artists drawing more art with SFW themes — but that’s a decision saved for each individual creator. Artists can choose if they do or don’t want to share what they make, just like artists can choose if they want to draw of leisure or payment. To go with what’s popular or break away from it and create their own things. All of that is a personal decision, not necessarily a fandom one in my opinion.

Ginza is right about there not being an easy solution, but pitching fits without offering ideas or suggestions won’t help. Can’t fix a problem without trying to figure out possible solutions.
I've been meaning to make it a habit to turn on SFW when I'm not looking for pornography.
Need to start favoriting SFW art.
 

Sunburst_Odell

Some weird teen on the web that likes cartoons
Would you write a book that no one will read?
Actually, I do write books that are almost never read. I have spent years(on and off, admittedly, but it took a lot of time and work) working on a series of mine and few people ever read it. And then I write this one fanfic and it gets 20 favorites and over a thousand views. But you know what? I'm fine with that. I despise the idea of writing to please others. I want to write what I want; I write for myself.

Also, I'm working on an entire animated music video completely by myself for that series--and about two people will view it as I only share it with friends. And again, that's okay.
 

Baalf

Will accept free hugs and tummy rubs.
If that's what you are saying, well... On one hand as an artist I DO get really frustrated (actually, I'm still am) when I'm trying to draw what I want, which is original content, and hoping people will see that hard work I do. But as a result, it doesn't get ANY attention at all which just depresses and frustrates me to no end. Then I see something like fan art get WAY MORE attention and notes, that it's like the audience would rather see and give THAT more praise then the original content the artist is creating. Because of that, us artists who would rather do our own thing, sometimes have to cave and draw fan art just to get people to notice them. I hate to admit this, but I hate fan art because of how it seems you NEED that to get people to look at your work at all. I like looking at them, but drawing them is difficult for me to the point that I'm thinking about giving up art AGAIN due to this.

It does kind of pain me when I see a crappy MS Paint drawn blob Charizard get more attention than a proportionate and well drawn Pokemon I happen to like, or even a proportionate OC. Often times it feels like in order to be liked, you HAVE to draw things like Charizard to get attention, and often times people will put merely being a picture of Charizard over quality.
 

Blythulu

Member
It does kind of pain me when I see a crappy MS Paint drawn blob Charizard get more attention than a proportionate and well drawn Pokemon I happen to like, or even a proportionate OC. Often times it feels like in order to be liked, you HAVE to draw things like Charizard to get attention, and often times people will put merely being a picture of Charizard over quality.
That's definitely not new.

One of my artist friends (who was in the furry fandom in high school, idk if she's still around but if she is she changed her username, still friends irl tho) used to be very frustrated with this. She only wanted to draw OCs, but she also wanted recognition. It sucks, but it is very, very hard to have both. And it isn't even that people do not like OCs, but simply because a thousand more people are going to be searching for 'Charizard' at any given time than a series of tags that will lead them to your original content. Same for porn. If you are good at drawing or writing for a kink (or multiple kinks), it doesn't matter if you use oc or not, because your stuff will appear when someone searches for that kink, which they will.

It's not a snub. Not really. A gorgeous, well-crafted drawing of Jeff the Winged Axolotl is never going to be as easy to find and interact with than any given Charizard fanart, and that's just reality. It has nothing to do with talent or perserverence (though the latter might be able to make you one of the lucky ones), but just tags and search functions.
 

Nyashia

Active Member
I think I got really tired of seeing NSFW art, especially if it's some extreme fetish art. Seeing porn everywhere somehow completely eradicated my own interested in it, that I had back when I joined the fandom. Other than that, no, I don't get tired of art and artists. I can see all the problems that you've mentioned, but they're somehow inavoidable. You can't blame the artists for their choices...
 

Rakiya

Well-Known Member
Personally I'm pretty amused by the number of people that keep jumping up and down about the whole NSFW and SFW thing.
Even more so since it often seems like people are talking down on NSFW.... and then complaining about being excluded or neglected for strictly being SFW only.

In regards to a disconnect with artwork and artists.... not really?
As other have stated, art is subjective... and some of the greatest artistic masterpieces look like shit to me.
I mean where I live, the council paid 1.25mil USD for this artistic abomination to be erected.
www.abc.net.au: Green Cactus

People like what they like.
I often don't agree with certain pieces that get a load of favorties
Or artists who seem to be popular for reasons I'll never understand.
But it's not really my place to be criticizing them.

@OP
I think your problem is that you're just coming to terms with reality.
You might have seen art and artists in this fandom as something great and to be cherished at some point.
But over time you've gotten over the excitement, and have started to look at things with an unbiased (somewhat weary) eye.
 

Baalf

Will accept free hugs and tummy rubs.
Does porn or quirk art always equal NSFW, though? I see quite a lot of fatfur or paw art that's perfectly acceptable for younger audiences. For example, TimmyJCoyote (Fatfur artist) and Tamerkoh (Paw artist) do perfectly acceptable and outright adorable drawings that would scar no one. I feel a big problem is how much focus is put on the fatfur/paw aspect of a character as oposed to the whole character, and I feel both artists succeed for me because there's focus on the actual characters rather than simply being fat or large-footed, and when TimmyJCoyote does focus on tummies, it's usually an innocent and harmless hug from a non-fatfur rather than the usual gorging on food that I see other artists do. True, his latest drawing is Ratata eating berries, but the Ratata's anatomy is proportionate and pleasant rather than gross, and I feel the same about his other drawings.
 

TomVaporeon

actually it's tanja now
I think you're projecting onto a lot of artists in saying that they don't "feel anything about it anymore". If by saying that you mean that you can't feel any emotion exuding from the picture, or story, or character, then all I can say is that your mind is the issue, you're just not seeing it. Art's different now, but not worse.
And, on commissioning: firstly, there's nothing wrong with making money off art and catering to the audience, it's been happening for a very very long time and is a product of society; and secondly, art is arguably made to be appreciated and furries are pretty damn good at that.
 

PaperDawls

Member
I'm really new to the community, so I speak with absolutely no authority on the matter, but one of the things I find, that makes me tired as an artist is the negativity. I am very new to drawing furries, so my skills are pretty much limited to smiles and scowls at this point it's all I know, pretty much everything mentioned. I haven't drawn any pornography except the one pin up pose.

I came to furaffinity because I thought (and perhaps I was wrong) that this would be a good place to start. I like the site so I joined the forums. I'm an artist, and I can't wear fursuits because of medical issues and the cost to make one for me that wouldn't kill me is far more than I can afford. So my ways of engaging the furry community are basically roleplay, discussion, attendance and art. Art being the one of those I am far more skilled at than the others. I'm too shy to roleplay, I do not know the do and do nots yet, i barely know enough about furries and fursona to be able to speak with any intelligence on the subject. (i know I like it though!) So art is really ALL I have to offer Furaffinity at this point.

I am not meaning to devalue anyone. I am simply looking for a place to be, and art is the only way I know to show much I have really fallen in love this community.
 
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