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Offering Redlines < Resurrected! 10/13/07

Icarus

No time like the present.
RE: Offering Redlines

I also could use one.
Yep...I'm new to drawing and tried a figure as good as I could get right now (in fact it is my first anthro figure w00t me!)...
I would like to see where I could improve myself to make my figures look better in the future.
thanks! ^.=.^

ps, sorry I couldn't attach it, it's too beeeeg. ^.=.^
(I don't like to draw small...)
 

blotch

Member
RE: Offering Redlines

Icarus said:
I also could use one.
Yep...I'm new to drawing and tried a figure as good as I could get right now (in fact it is my first anthro figure w00t me!)...
I would like to see where I could improve myself to make my figures look better in the future.
thanks! ^.=.^

ps, sorry I couldn't attach it, it's too beeeeg. ^.=.^
(I don't like to draw small...)

Hullo there!
Sorry for the late response--I was out of town for MFF for a while but now I'm back!

For your first anthro, he's pretty good! There are a couple of things I would suggest you work on, but I'll start with the arms.
I've attached a little redline/reference..

His arms seem a little short for an anthro.
Here's a proportion tip for arms: Elbows touch the middle of your midsection when hanging relaxed, and hands rest on the middle of your thigh. It's a good rule you can use to help make sure all your arms look to be the right length in proportion to your figure.
In the redline, I sketched out roughly how his arms probably should be positioned. I also included a quick photo reference to help you see the dimensions of the arms in roughly the same position.

Hope it was helpful! If it was, let me know and I'll gladly redline/talk about another part of your art, or answer any other specific questions.
Keep drawing! I think you'll get pretty good quickly at anthros if you keep at it. :]

Cheers,
-Blotch
 

blotch

Member
RE: Offering Redlines

Well, I'm back from my little vacation to Illinois for Midwest Furfest! So, I'm resurrecting this thread and offering redlines or help to anyone who would like it! If you posted while I was on hiatus, I'm working backwards so I'll get to ya soon. :]

Cheers,
-Blotch
 

turboanthro

New Member
RE: Offering Redlines

blotch said:
Hullo!
Well, as the subject suggests, I'm happy to offer redlines if I can on any artwork/sketches someone is having trouble with.
Feel free to drop a reply if you'd like, and I'll try to get back soon as I can.

Cheers,
-Blotch
( FA : http://www.furaffinity.net/user/blotch )


I could really do with some help on anatomy and foreshortening and perspective type things, for example the right (fur's right) thumb, legs and torso all of which are kinda messed up. If you see any other glaring errors (I'm sure you'll see quite a few ^^; ) please point them out.

Thanks a bunch ^_^

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/295631/
 

Rukario

In Training Digimon
RE: Offering Redlines

Thanks for this thread. It's amazingly helpful and I'll have to look it over in detail soon!

I do need a hand with a drawing I did very recently. Although I've asked for crittiques for it in general on my journal, I'd appreciate a helping hand from you. ^^

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/295966/
Is the original image in the scraps.

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/296213/
I did a few "red lines" of my own the day following the upload.. well they were green colored lines. :) Im mostly just hoping I'm not suffering from "Artist Vision".

I'd appreciate your opinon on this.
 

blotch

Member
RE: Offering Redlines

turboanthro said:
I could really do with some help on anatomy and foreshortening and perspective type things, for example the right (fur's right) thumb, legs and torso all of which are kinda messed up. If you see any other glaring errors (I'm sure you'll see quite a few ^^; ) please point them out.

Thanks a bunch ^_^

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/295631/

Hullo!

First, your piece shows you've been looking at reference, which is great!
This character shows that you've put effort behind your drawing and anatomy and its a step above most.

Foreshortening is hard to show, especially when you don't employ the use of shading or shadows. However, since your character is wearing pants, you can get the same effect by showing where the cloth is stretched taunt vs. where it's loose and wrinkly. But I get ahead of myself!
I attached a redline with a couple little things I noticed..

His feet look a little small to be supporting him. Since he's standing on his toes, I assume he's digigrade, and in which case, to maintain any kind of realistic sense of balance, his feet would have to be a tad bigger. I roughed out basically what I mean to demonstrate.

If you like, I can go further into wrinkles/foreshortening tricks, but that's a little more in depth.

Next thing I noticed, a tail is basically an extension of the spine, and would most likely be coming from a slightly different direction than you have sketched. I redlined roughly what I mean. If you have a dog handy, you can nicely pick up their front paws so they are standing on their hind paws and see how the tail shoots downward then will curve up or back (depending on breed, of course.)

I tossed you a couple quick reference shots from Elfwood's Hand Reference site:
http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/farp/hand/
which is a great reference if you cant use your own hand. Hopefully they're useful, but if you're still having trouble, I can offer you more specific help with the hands. The only thing I can say upfront is that the character's left hand seems a little small.

Like I said, over all its a nice demonstration that you've been putting effort into making your figure solid. The chest and torso are rightly proportioned and the head sits on the shoulders fine.
I'd offer some advice on the arm muscles if you like, but in an effort to keep this from getting too long winded, I'll cut it short for now.

I look forward to seeing more from you!

Cheers,
-Blotch
 

blotch

Member
RE: Offering Redlines

Icarus said:
Ima goin to work on this xeno a bit.
but what do you think?

Well, while I'm not terribly familiar with xenos--from just a creature design stand point, I'd recommend making it's hind feet a little larger to support its weight and provide proper balance when it moves.

Beyond that, looks pretty cool. :]
 

turboanthro

New Member
RE: Offering Redlines

blotch said:
Hullo!

First, your piece shows you've been looking at reference, which is great!
This character shows that you've put effort behind your drawing and anatomy and its a step above most.

Foreshortening is hard to show, especially when you don't employ the use of shading or shadows. However, since your character is wearing pants, you can get the same effect by showing where the cloth is stretched taunt vs. where it's loose and wrinkly. But I get ahead of myself!
I attached a redline with a couple little things I noticed..

His feet look a little small to be supporting him. Since he's standing on his toes, I assume he's digigrade, and in which case, to maintain any kind of realistic sense of balance, his feet would have to be a tad bigger. I roughed out basically what I mean to demonstrate.

If you like, I can go further into wrinkles/foreshortening tricks, but that's a little more in depth.

Next thing I noticed, a tail is basically an extension of the spine, and would most likely be coming from a slightly different direction than you have sketched. I redlined roughly what I mean. If you have a dog handy, you can nicely pick up their front paws so they are standing on their hind paws and see how the tail shoots downward then will curve up or back (depending on breed, of course.)

I tossed you a couple quick reference shots from Elfwood's Hand Reference site:
http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/farp/hand/
which is a great reference if you cant use your own hand. Hopefully they're useful, but if you're still having trouble, I can offer you more specific help with the hands. The only thing I can say upfront is that the character's left hand seems a little small.

Like I said, over all its a nice demonstration that you've been putting effort into making your figure solid. The chest and torso are rightly proportioned and the head sits on the shoulders fine.
I'd offer some advice on the arm muscles if you like, but in an effort to keep this from getting too long winded, I'll cut it short for now.

I look forward to seeing more from you!

Cheers,
-Blotch

First off thanks a lot for taking the time to redline my work, i'm really glad you think my effort has been showing. ^^

Secondly, any advice at all you could give me about shading, wrinkling, foreshortening and muscles I would greatly appriciate as they are areas I really need to work on (muscles not so much but shading and foreshortening I really have very little idea about) and could greatly do with advice on. Though I know that's quite a few areas to give advice on, and you did already redline my picture, but if it's not too much hassle I'd be really greatful if you could. ^^

Thanks again! :D
 

blotch

Member
RE: Offering Redlines

Icarus said:
ok...I did this backside...made the hindfeet larger adn a bit of muscular gain in the legs and I got this:

:D

Aah, cool! Nice ability to render it from both sides!
I'd still suggest pushing the legs even further, giving him the look like he really could just run you down and rip your limbs off. Just a suggestion!

Cheers,
-Blotch
 

Takashy

New Member
RE: Offering Redlines

ow,can you help me a bit with my feet/paws? :) I wanna have them with more detail/depth or so.. :s
There are my pic.. http://www.furaffinityforums.net/showthread.php?tid=4811 ^^
 

Sieneko

Hotpocket Wrangler
RE: Offering Redlines

Hey there!

If you're still up for some redlines I have a picture I'm having troubles with. It should be very simple to do but I'm still having problems!
http://www.furaffinity.net/full/302624/
Mainly their hands/arms (they both have their hands on their hips), but anything else you can point out (and I do mean anything!) would be so so helpful!

Thanks for offering this! You're a star! :D
 

Icarus

No time like the present.
RE: Offering Redlines

ok...I'm doing gifts over at DA and I need help with this pantherette...pantheress... ... panther-gurl. (o.=.0)
(ack. first fur so I would rly like teh help...)
(in fact if anybody would want to help that is fine, so yeah...)
 

Somebody

New Member
RE: Offering Redlines

Hey, is this still open? lemme give it a try(well I think I desperately need it).

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/319476/
the one on the left

and

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/308759/

before I start coloring :D hope I don't bother anyone
 

Pyurio

Member
RE: Offering Redlines

My ... this is generous of you to offer a greenline.

If you have time to kill, I have a problem of rendering hands. I am not sure whether they are too short of too long (most probabbly to short and too bulky).
 

Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
RE: Offering Redlines

Umm. Why do people think that it's PERFECTLY OK to upload adult artwork to the forums where anyone can see it? Last time I recalled you have to mark your stuff appropriately on the main site. Uploading an attachment that's adult is prohibited. >.<;;;
 

SpiritCreations

Wanted Dead or Alive
RE: Offering Redlines

Arshes Nei said:
Umm. Why do people think that it's PERFECTLY OK to upload adult artwork to the forums where anyone can see it? Last time I recalled you have to mark your stuff appropriately on the main site. Uploading an attachment that's adult is prohibited. >.<;;;

Well, excuse me! x.x Jesus Christ, I didn't know. It's FurAffinity. The whole site is porn. How do I mark it it appropriately? Or do I just upload it to my gallery and send a link or what?
 

quark

Member
RE: Offering Redlines

SpiritCreations said:
Arshes Nei said:
Umm. Why do people think that it's PERFECTLY OK to upload adult artwork to the forums where anyone can see it? Last time I recalled you have to mark your stuff appropriately on the main site. Uploading an attachment that's adult is prohibited. >.<;;;

Well, excuse me! x.x Jesus Christ, I didn't know. It's FurAffinity. The whole site is porn. How do I mark it it appropriately? Or do I just upload it to my gallery and send a link or what?

Probably the best thing to do is to upload it to your gallery, and put up a link, but just make a warning that it's nsfw.
As a general rule, not just for FA, it's a big no-no to post porn directly into a forum. A link, with a warning, is the appropriate thing to do.
 

Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
RE: Offering Redlines

The whole site is porn? I also recalled that it has a mature filter. DO you see one on the forums?

Yes of course you should link NWS stuff and mark it appropriately x.x
 

SpiritCreations

Wanted Dead or Alive
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Okay, enough with the sarcasm people. Thanks for letting me know. Won't do it again and will repost my inquiry correctly.
 

blotch

Member
RE: Offering Redlines

Pyurio said:
My ... this is generous of you to offer a greenline.

If you have time to kill, I have a problem of rendering hands. I am not sure whether they are too short of too long (most probabbly to short and too bulky).

Hullo there! Please pardon my late reply--Holidays, snowstorms and rampaging wildebeest kept me from this thread for a bit.
It's a nice piece you have posted. All the characters look well integrated. Specifically on hands: A good rule to remember is human hands are 3/4 long as a human face, from palm to fingertip. Since it's measured chin to forehead, you can apply the same basic principal to anthros. Of course, one way to cheat to give your character certain aspects is to change the "average" hand size--you can give a huge snarly werewolf larger hands, or a small, delicate ferret slightly smaller hands for instance. However, if your bending the rule, hands are a case that its generally better to go bigger (more exaggerated) than smaller, because small hands tend to just look "off."

Here's a site on Elfwood with lots of hand reference photos:
http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/farp/hand/

On another note, you might want to try playing with line weight. Varying the thicks and thins of your linework to accentuate the build of your characters. Here's an example:
http://img46.photobucket.com/albums/v141/timetable3215/2f5f76e4.jpg

On that piece you can definitely see a sense of line thicks and thins to help convey shadow, structure and weight.
A good source for a lot of good line art is comics.

Hope it was helpful and not too late! :]
Cheers, and Happy New Year!
-Blotch
 
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