Offering Redlines < Resurrected! 10/13/07
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RE: Offering Redlines
Hullo!
Roos are incredibly hard to proportion, because they are such a weird animal to start with. There's a couple approaches to drawing 'roos in my opinion--something more "anthro" with thicker forearms and more rabbit/canine style legs that would walk bipedal as opposed to hopping. Or alternatively, something closer to a normal kangaroo with roo legs, a thick tail for balance, and scrawny forearms, but with a straighter spine.
Your picture shows you definitely have a good grasp on roo feet and hands--most people don't and its obvious. Nicely done! :]
For this piece, I would suggest thicker legs, to emphasize the leg muscles little more, and definitely a larger, thicker tail, since that is a defining characteristic of roos no matter what you do.
I also threw on a reference pic of a Grey Kangaroo in roughly the same position as your piece's, for some help with the face.
If you need any more help in anything specific on this piece, please ask! Thanks!
Cheers,
-Blotch
PostalRoo said:Well this is just awesome. I could really use one of these, as I suck at proportions. My most recent work:
Thanks in advance, blotch
Hullo!
Roos are incredibly hard to proportion, because they are such a weird animal to start with. There's a couple approaches to drawing 'roos in my opinion--something more "anthro" with thicker forearms and more rabbit/canine style legs that would walk bipedal as opposed to hopping. Or alternatively, something closer to a normal kangaroo with roo legs, a thick tail for balance, and scrawny forearms, but with a straighter spine.
Your picture shows you definitely have a good grasp on roo feet and hands--most people don't and its obvious. Nicely done! :]
For this piece, I would suggest thicker legs, to emphasize the leg muscles little more, and definitely a larger, thicker tail, since that is a defining characteristic of roos no matter what you do.
I also threw on a reference pic of a Grey Kangaroo in roughly the same position as your piece's, for some help with the face.
If you need any more help in anything specific on this piece, please ask! Thanks!
Cheers,
-Blotch
RE: Offering Redlines
Well, I was prefering to look at it from a more human proportion and focus more on the chest and arms, as that is where I have the greater difficulty. However, I was very unspecific in that respect so I won't ask anything extra.
Thank you for the quick feedback. I didn't realize that the legs were THAT wide nor the tail that big on a kangaroo.
Well, I was prefering to look at it from a more human proportion and focus more on the chest and arms, as that is where I have the greater difficulty. However, I was very unspecific in that respect so I won't ask anything extra.
Thank you for the quick feedback. I didn't realize that the legs were THAT wide nor the tail that big on a kangaroo.
RE: Offering Redlines
Alright, human proportions it is!
I red lined her top half, with more appropriate human length arms, with some photos for reference on lengths. Compare your drawing to photos of people to see where the different sections of the arm touch the body.
You can see by comparison how different humans and roos are.
Also, in the legs, a more "human" or anthro kanagroo would have stronger calf muscles (the ones behind your shin) to support walking versus kangaroos massive thigh muscles which propel them to jump.
I attached a quick human to roo leg comparison, with an approximation of a blend between the two. Of course, anthros are fantasy creatures, so always subject to opinion. It is important to keep characteristics of the animal, however, or what makes it a "kangaroo" exactly? :]
I hope this was helpful! I look forward to seeing more drawings from you! :]
PostalRoo said:
Alright, human proportions it is!
I red lined her top half, with more appropriate human length arms, with some photos for reference on lengths. Compare your drawing to photos of people to see where the different sections of the arm touch the body.
You can see by comparison how different humans and roos are.
Also, in the legs, a more "human" or anthro kanagroo would have stronger calf muscles (the ones behind your shin) to support walking versus kangaroos massive thigh muscles which propel them to jump.
I attached a quick human to roo leg comparison, with an approximation of a blend between the two. Of course, anthros are fantasy creatures, so always subject to opinion. It is important to keep characteristics of the animal, however, or what makes it a "kangaroo" exactly? :]
I hope this was helpful! I look forward to seeing more drawings from you! :]
SpiritCreations
Wanted Dead or Alive
RE: Offering Redlines
Heya!
Okay... I did this correctly this time.
I'm really needing some help with this picture. The pose is incredibly hard to do. Do this one when you have some spare time cause it's a mess. lol
Anyways, I'm needing help on:
-Her muzzle (in relation to the stuff in front of it... :3) and facial view and where it all goes. She's an arctic fox.
-His muzzle (also in relation to the stuff in front of it.. you'll know what I mean) and facial view and stuff. He's a german shepherd.
- Her left foot angle and his left hand angle.
- I forgot to add in her right leg before I uploaded this. I'll get that later but if you have any suggestions go ahead and put it in.
If you see anything else off, feel free to redline it but the above are my main concerns. Here is a link to the picture on my gallery.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/366544/ - NSFW!!!!!
Thank you very much, Blotch!
Heya!
Okay... I did this correctly this time.
I'm really needing some help with this picture. The pose is incredibly hard to do. Do this one when you have some spare time cause it's a mess. lol
Anyways, I'm needing help on:
-Her muzzle (in relation to the stuff in front of it... :3) and facial view and where it all goes. She's an arctic fox.
-His muzzle (also in relation to the stuff in front of it.. you'll know what I mean) and facial view and stuff. He's a german shepherd.
- Her left foot angle and his left hand angle.
- I forgot to add in her right leg before I uploaded this. I'll get that later but if you have any suggestions go ahead and put it in.
If you see anything else off, feel free to redline it but the above are my main concerns. Here is a link to the picture on my gallery.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/366544/ - NSFW!!!!!
Thank you very much, Blotch!
RE: Offering Redlines
Hullo! Good to see you making art again!
That pose is indeed a very hard one to pull off, and show "stuff" as well as expression. I think you did a great job!
I redlined what you mentioned above, as well as a couple little things.
It's attached in a very NOT WORK SAFE attachment. ;]
The GSD's head looked very small, especially for a breed that is all head and ears. Also, the slope of the back looks a little off, and his neck too craned. With that kind of strain, who could be enjoying their end, eh?
On the artic fox, her upper arm looked a little short which made her forearm look very long.
I guess everything is pretty straightforward.. If there's anything else, you know how to reach me!
I look forward to seeing the final version!
Cheers,
-Blotch
SpiritCreations said:
Hullo! Good to see you making art again!
That pose is indeed a very hard one to pull off, and show "stuff" as well as expression. I think you did a great job!
I redlined what you mentioned above, as well as a couple little things.
It's attached in a very NOT WORK SAFE attachment. ;]
The GSD's head looked very small, especially for a breed that is all head and ears. Also, the slope of the back looks a little off, and his neck too craned. With that kind of strain, who could be enjoying their end, eh?
On the artic fox, her upper arm looked a little short which made her forearm look very long.
I guess everything is pretty straightforward.. If there's anything else, you know how to reach me!
I look forward to seeing the final version!
Cheers,
-Blotch
RE: Offering Redlines
Hullo!
House cats can be a pain to draw because their facial proportions are odd. I'd say the best place to start is look at a lot of reference.
Attached is a quick redline of the body with some reference. Always keep in mind, the usual figure is symmetrical!
Hope it's useful!
Cheers,
-Blotch
LoboRoo said:
Hullo!
House cats can be a pain to draw because their facial proportions are odd. I'd say the best place to start is look at a lot of reference.
Attached is a quick redline of the body with some reference. Always keep in mind, the usual figure is symmetrical!
Hope it's useful!
Cheers,
-Blotch
SpiritCreations
Wanted Dead or Alive
RE: Offering Redlines
Thanks SO much, Blotch! That's a HUGE help! You're right.. his head was too small! lol And yeah... I don't think he'd be having too much fun. He'd be popping an Advil by the end of the night. Those lines really helped me to see what I did wrong and now I can make the corrections. You're too kind! ^-^ I can't wait to pay it forward! I'll show ya the pic when it's done! *thank you hugs*
Inali
blotch said:SpiritCreations said:
Hullo! Good to see you making art again!
That pose is indeed a very hard one to pull off, and show "stuff" as well as expression. I think you did a great job!
I redlined what you mentioned above, as well as a couple little things.
It's attached in a very NOT WORK SAFE attachment. ;]
The GSD's head looked very small, especially for a breed that is all head and ears. Also, the slope of the back looks a little off, and his neck too craned. With that kind of strain, who could be enjoying their end, eh?
On the artic fox, her upper arm looked a little short which made her forearm look very long.
I guess everything is pretty straightforward.. If there's anything else, you know how to reach me!
I look forward to seeing the final version!
Cheers,
-Blotch
Thanks SO much, Blotch! That's a HUGE help! You're right.. his head was too small! lol And yeah... I don't think he'd be having too much fun. He'd be popping an Advil by the end of the night. Those lines really helped me to see what I did wrong and now I can make the corrections. You're too kind! ^-^ I can't wait to pay it forward! I'll show ya the pic when it's done!
*thank you hugs*Inali
Wolf E. Urameshi
Member
RE: Offering Redlines < Resurrected! 3/18/07
Um... I'd like to request redlines on these, please: *rhyme not intentional XD*
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/371383/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/372485/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/374002/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/395424/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/395428/
Thanks! I appreciate it!
Um... I'd like to request redlines on these, please: *rhyme not intentional XD*
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/371383/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/372485/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/374002/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/395424/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/395428/
Thanks! I appreciate it!
RE: Offering Redlines < Resurrected! 3/18/07
Heya!
I see some common anatomical innaccuracies throughout most of your pieces, so I'll just start with one, and if you have more specific questions, I'm happy to answer. :]
I basically redlined out the anatomy, from some photos for reference. I'd suggest you try a lot of Gesture Drawings (http://www.furaffinity.net/full/360214/ & http://www.furaffinity.net/full/364685/ ) to help get a natural feel and weight for your characters and their bulk. If you practice some loose, flowing gesture drawings based off some photos of muscles/shirtless men (search corbis.com for "bodybuilder" or "man chest" for example) I think you'll develop a much better understanding/natural grasp of the lay of the muscles. :]
Also, there's a buncha of nice dynamic how-to books for anatomy, such as "Anatomy for the Artist" that shows a lot of nice, drawn examples of musculature. (I also attached a page from Anatomy: Artist Essentials)
Hope it was helpful! Look forward to seeing more from you!
Cheers,
-Blotch
Wolf E. Urameshi said:
Heya!
I see some common anatomical innaccuracies throughout most of your pieces, so I'll just start with one, and if you have more specific questions, I'm happy to answer. :]
I basically redlined out the anatomy, from some photos for reference. I'd suggest you try a lot of Gesture Drawings (http://www.furaffinity.net/full/360214/ & http://www.furaffinity.net/full/364685/ ) to help get a natural feel and weight for your characters and their bulk. If you practice some loose, flowing gesture drawings based off some photos of muscles/shirtless men (search corbis.com for "bodybuilder" or "man chest" for example) I think you'll develop a much better understanding/natural grasp of the lay of the muscles. :]
Also, there's a buncha of nice dynamic how-to books for anatomy, such as "Anatomy for the Artist" that shows a lot of nice, drawn examples of musculature. (I also attached a page from Anatomy: Artist Essentials)
Hope it was helpful! Look forward to seeing more from you!
Cheers,
-Blotch
Wolf E. Urameshi
Member
RE: Offering Redlines < Resurrected! 3/18/07
Ah, I see. Thank you, but may you please enlighten me more on these matters, such as gesture drawing, for example? ^_^;;
Ah, I see. Thank you, but may you please enlighten me more on these matters, such as gesture drawing, for example? ^_^;;
RE: Offering Redlines < Resurrected! 3/18/07
Sadly, I think I've managed to say all I can in the two Guesture drawing tutorials I posted for ya. :] Both have a handful of good examples.
I also recommend the book "The Natural Way to Draw" by Nicolaides. It's a good read, and really helpful for anyone learned to draw with real substance and weight.
Wolf E. Urameshi said:
Sadly, I think I've managed to say all I can in the two Guesture drawing tutorials I posted for ya. :] Both have a handful of good examples.
I also recommend the book "The Natural Way to Draw" by Nicolaides. It's a good read, and really helpful for anyone learned to draw with real substance and weight.
Wolf E. Urameshi
Member
RE: Offering Redlines < Resurrected! 3/18/07
Ah, I see. Apologies for my utter stupidity in not seeing it.
Ah, I see. Apologies for my utter stupidity in not seeing it.
Wolf E. Urameshi
Member
RE: Offering Redlines < Resurrected! 3/18/07
Thanks... now time to try not to go emo with what I draw...
Thanks... now time to try not to go emo with what I draw...
RE: Offering Redlines < Resurrected! 3/18/07
Heya! First, I must say your character looks really nice and solid. :] Not a whole lot to critique, really!
Only thing is, her fingers on her right hand look a tad larger than her other hand. Also, the eye seems off by a smidge, but both are very small, nitpicks.
Nice character piece! :]
Lyenuv said:
Heya! First, I must say your character looks really nice and solid. :] Not a whole lot to critique, really!
Only thing is, her fingers on her right hand look a tad larger than her other hand. Also, the eye seems off by a smidge, but both are very small, nitpicks.
Nice character piece! :]
Doggieo
Homogangster
RE: Offering Redlines < Resurrected! 3/18/07
Ok heres something i made yesterday. Any tips? http://www.furaffinity.net/view/456629/
Ok heres something i made yesterday. Any tips?
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/456629/RE: Offering Redlines < Resurrected! 3/18/07
Hey there!
First off, your character is pretty damn cute. ;]
I just noticed a couple of things with his upper body that looked off.
1- His shoulders are a little too narrow. Also, his elbow should be a little lower (your humerous puts your elbow resting against your midsection, below your ribs. Your hand [at rest] lies mid thigh. It's a pretty good rule to keep in mind when drawing arms to get them the right length.)
2- His torso seems a little turned in the wrong direction to go in line with his shoulders. :]
[attachment=1099]
I think you have a pretty good grasp of your character's face and expression, so I've nothing to say there. :] Love to see some more art by you if you get the chance!
Cheers,
-Blotch
Doggieo said:Ok heres something i made yesterday. Any tips?
Hey there!
First off, your character is pretty damn cute. ;]
I just noticed a couple of things with his upper body that looked off.
1- His shoulders are a little too narrow. Also, his elbow should be a little lower (your humerous puts your elbow resting against your midsection, below your ribs. Your hand [at rest] lies mid thigh. It's a pretty good rule to keep in mind when drawing arms to get them the right length.)
2- His torso seems a little turned in the wrong direction to go in line with his shoulders. :]
[attachment=1099]
I think you have a pretty good grasp of your character's face and expression, so I've nothing to say there. :] Love to see some more art by you if you get the chance!
Cheers,
-Blotch
Wolf E. Urameshi
Member
RE: Offering Redlines < Resurrected! 3/18/07
Here I am once again. Here's another pic to fall victim to the Hell lines-err, redlines. Thank you!
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/462278/
Here I am once again. Here's another pic to fall victim to the Hell lines-err, redlines. Thank you!
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/462278/