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ASTA

Well-Known Member
minors shouldn't be using the site to begin with
Minors don't belong in the furry fandom as the fandom is inherently fetishistic in nature, and ideally they should be barred from this forum

also reminder that what is being requested is the banning of discussion revolving around content that I can provably show can be found at your local bookstore or even in theaters in some cases. By extension such a rule would bar the positive discussion of artistic media you can buy off the shelf at a Books A Million for $12.99
Furthermore, this is a furry forum. What is a furry forum really for but to discuss furry content and the furry fandom at large? Or are we supposed to close our ears and pretend that Inkbunny doesn't exist and that FA never hosted cub art? Or am I expected to lie and say I don't like Inkbunny and that I fully support the rule changes on FA?

I don't think this thread is the correct place to advocate for the acceptance of cub art. Mods don't want it here, FA adminstration isn't interested in it, and the majority of users on FAF have already voiced their disapproval of it.
 

TrishaCat

The Cat in the FAF
I don't think this thread is the correct place to advocate for the acceptance of cub art. Mods don't want it here, FA adminstration isn't interested in it, and the majority of users on FAF have already voiced their disapproval of it.
If someone requests the moderators do something, its only fair to allow people to request they do not. That is my main intention with that post (with reasoning as to why), nothing more.
...but, it is true that forums are made up of their community, and if the majority of the community doesn't want something, how can it be reasonably requested to stay?
Bah, fine I won't say anymore on the matter. You have a decent enough point. I just hope that things don't get to the point where I can't even discuss the show my avatar is from here.
 
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oappo

Well-Known Member
I don't think I've come across an actual code of conduct for the forum itself, but assuming its anything like the content guidelines on the main site, we probably shouldn't even be talking about that sort of thing/fetishes in the first place, defending or not.
 

luffy

Administrator
Staff member
Administrator
I think a different approach is needed on policing harassment.

Currently reports are automatically dismissed if they're not filed by the user who is being harassed.
And this means that if a user is harassed until they leave the site, or is banned themselves, that their bullies will face no consequences- even if staff assess that they were outside of the site rules.
This specific situation has occurred several times recently, so it's a loophole that requires fixing.
You'll have to submit a ticket for this suggestion. The reason we do this is because someone can be another user's friend and jokingly insult them, but then someone else comes along, gets triggered for the sake of the person it's aimed toward, and then inappropriately categorizes it as harassment in a report. Joking friend user then gets in trouble. I know you are referring to a more specific situation, but this is why. If the harassed user doesn't feel like it's worth reporting, I don't really feel (personally) it's anyone else's business to be offended for them.
 

luffy

Administrator
Staff member
Administrator
I don't think I've come across an actual code of conduct for the forum itself, but assuming its anything like the content guidelines on the main site, we probably shouldn't even be talking about that sort of thing/fetishes in the first place, defending or not.
They are linked on the forum main page.
 

NuclearSlayer52

purring like a wolf
majority of users on FAF have already voiced their disapproval of it.
has there been a proper anonymous poll for this? the only times ive seen, everyone is public and knows who voted for what, and know that everyone else knows what they voted for, which creates a network of bias and fear and inconsistencies

which technically turns into a suggestion of having an official poll for this, but would have to be only seen by users who are 18+ and accounts that are atleast 2 months old and can be voted on for 2 weeks and the thread must not let anyone reply and then a disclaimer that the results are unlikely to cause any rule changes and it gets confusing very quickly
 

luffy

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Staff member
Administrator
has there been a proper anonymous poll for this? the only times ive seen, everyone is public and knows who voted for what, and know that everyone else knows what they voted for, which creates a network of bias and fear and inconsistencies

which technically turns into a suggestion of having an official poll for this, but would have to be only seen by users who are 18+ and accounts that are atleast 2 months old and can be voted on for 2 weeks and the thread must not let anyone reply and then a disclaimer that the results are unlikely to cause any rule changes and it gets confusing very quickly
It is against our precedent to allow rule changes by poll. Newer sites like FLO have done this and the implosion afterwards is telling of what guideline polls can cause.
 

ConorHyena

nazi hunter
has there been a proper anonymous poll for this? the only times ive seen, everyone is public and knows who voted for what, and know that everyone else knows what they voted for, which creates a network of bias and fear and inconsistencies

which technically turns into a suggestion of having an official poll for this, but would have to be only seen by users who are 18+ and accounts that are atleast 2 months old and can be voted on for 2 weeks and the thread must not let anyone reply and then a disclaimer that the results are unlikely to cause any rule changes and it gets confusing very quickly
I don't think we need a poll on cub art or other kiddie shit.
 

luffy

Administrator
Staff member
Administrator
I guess I also should suggest that any content defending drawn child pornography, or underage access to sexual content, should be deleted.

I don't think it matters particularly whether the people posting this content are infracted for it- but removing the content from view would be in the interest of minors who use the site, and it would avoid the evolution of conversations that are frankly grotesque and which inevitably result in the rules being broken anyway.

Simply having a policy of deleting those threads as soon as they appear would allow staff to prevent those problems, instead of the more burdensome task of responding to a large number of reports after online harm has already been done.
It's a discussion forum. We're not going to remove people because we don't like their personal position on something (unless they're a part of a hate group or admit to being a real-world pedophile). The thread we're all referring to was yikes, but it was not cause for removal of any of the users that participated in it.

Personal opinion: removing these threads allows the people who participate in/enjoy the content to remain in the shadows... because it's not brought up, and less people see it. At least this way, when the content isn't outwardly harmful or malicious, users know which of their peers are interested in that content and I may get to ban a pedo after they not-so-smartly admit to being one.
 

Fallowfox

Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
It's a discussion forum. We're not going to remove people because we don't like their personal position on something (unless they're a part of a hate group or admit to being a real-world pedophile). The thread we're all referring to was yikes, but it was not cause for removal of any of the users that participated in it.

Personal opinion: removing these threads allows the people who participate in/enjoy the content to remain in the shadows... because it's not brought up, and less people see it. At least this way, when the content isn't outwardly harmful or malicious, users know which of their peers are interested in that content and I may get to ban a pedo after they not-so-smartly admit to being one.

I think we have a very strange approach inside the furry fandom that's very different to normal people.

So can I suggest asking some people in real life who aren't furries for their perspectives on this issue.
 

luffy

Administrator
Staff member
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I think we have a very strange approach inside the furry fandom that's very different to normal people.

So can I suggest asking some people in real life who aren't furries for their perspectives on this issue.
My personal perspective as someone who is not really a furry aside from collecting characters and moderating is that I don't want any borderline garbage or people who sympathize with it at all but I'm not the rules or the site. Send a ticket like I suggested.
 

Fallowfox

Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
My personal perspective as someone who is not really a furry aside from collecting characters and moderating is that I don't want any borderline garbage or people who sympathize with it at all but I'm not the rules or the site. Send a ticket like I suggested.

I have done this. Unfortunately the ticket system can be something of an oubliette.

I noticed earlier in this discussion that it was stated FAF has no precedent for polls on this subject. I agree that it shouldn't have.

I believe though that following polls in 2006, which showed a large number of furries in favour, Fur Affinity began hosting drawn under-aged pornography- and this continued until 2010.

So I think this unfortunate history is probably is a *very good justification* for not relying on polls for such matters.
 

NuclearSlayer52

purring like a wolf
It is against our precedent to allow rule changes by poll.
sorry, thats why i put the last part, i dont mean changing any rules, but just having more accurate numbers and percentages of whose positive/neutral/negative towards it

though ive realized, everyone would need to agree on the definitions or it doesnt work (theres already 2 terms that ive noticed, between this and my previous comment, that im not sure whats intended by them)
 

Nexus Cabler

Strong independent black dragon
I'm stopping by to say I appreciate the new edit that allows us to upload new avatars on the forum without having to meet a minimum size/pixel requirement, that required me change the size before uploading.

This small change has saved me a lot of work.
 

Frank Gulotta

Send us your floppy
Could we do away with the concept of protected groups? in my and many, many others' experience, all it does is create a toxic caste system that enables people from certain groups to act like assholes, which in turn has the opposite effect to what it's supposed to accomplish
 

luffy

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Staff member
Administrator
Could we do away with the concept of protected groups? in my and many, many others' experience, all it does is create a toxic caste system that enables people from certain groups to act like assholes, which in turn has the opposite effect to what it's supposed to accomplish
There are no "protected groups." There are those who break rules and those who don't break rules. If one of those groups happens to break a certain rule more often than the others, then that is something that group must work on.

This is not the topic for moral debates about the forum, though.
 
This is about the main FA site -

I have a bit of a complaint about the user-hosted ads on Furaffinity. Normally, I don’t see the ads if I’m on PC because of adblock, but I do see them on mobile. I really think there should be a better filter on the ads, though. Even if the ones I’m seeing aren’t technically breaking any 18+ rules, they can still be EXTREMELY borderline, and I have encountered ads that make me uncomfortable and I can’t be the only one. When I already thought basic cropped NSFW was bad enough, but no, this also means ads that show barely cropped ANIMATED sex scenes, and multiple showing vore - one ANIMATED and another with images of detailed vore inflation. So many people have already suggested having a tag filter on FA to filter out fetish art - but it kinda defeats the purpose of this tool being implemented (if ever) when you can still get vore spammed in your face from ads anyway. I’m not necessarily saying these types of ads should be outright banned, but at least have some kind of filter on them if possible, which the user can toggle in their settings? Or maybe an option that says “do not show me this ad” at least? And if anyone tries to say ”buy premium”, well as far as I’m aware premium only removes third-party ads, not user content ads. So you’re stuck with poorly censored anime anthro cats fucking animation and rabbits eating cats explicitly anyway. :|

I wouldn’t say I experience these particularly borderline ads super frequently, but when they do show up I’m not expecting it and it’s just a major peeve of mine. I guess for me I could just not use FA on mobile, but still, there are other people that may not be able to use it on computer and are just as annoyed/uncomfortable by these types of ads.
 

Kit H. Ruppell

Exterminieren! Exterminieren!
Can you put Wolverine under Mustelid where it belongs?
 
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