...Okay I gotta ask, what is wrong with you Oakland? Occupy Oakland crackdown again.

[Tao]

Re: ...Okay I gotta ask, what is wrong with you Oakland? Occupy Oakland crackdown ag

Teargas launchers are often black powder or gunpowder to avoid breaking the projectile up upon firing, and these type prevent anything than standard canisters and projectiles being loaded but such others as springloaded (less common) and CO2 powered (more common and modern) have no restrictions as to the projectile so they can be used in a variety of situations with gas canisters, and other projectiles such as LTL projectiles, beanbag rounds, impact rounds and otherwise. Of course, this depends on the model of launcher but a safe generalization is that spring-loaded and CO2 launchers can accommodate any projectile including rocks that are the same general shape and size as one of the more common projectiles fired from a launcher. Perhaps what I saw the officer load was a used canister he picked off the ground but in either case, the point of my post was not the projectile or usage of said projectile but more of the brutality of firing a hard object directly into the chestbone of a helpless individual who had no bearing on the protest nor was involved in it but was beaten anyway.

I'm at a loss, to. That post was too cryptic.

I couldn't respond as quickly as I wanted so I said something stupid to stall ^~^

 

[Neuron]

Re: ...Okay I gotta ask, what is wrong with you Oakland? Occupy Oakland crackdown ag

All I'm saying is it really would be the most effective way to deal with a huge group of people, so who would honestly be surprised? The police have used several things that the military doesn't. But again, it is expensive, and the potential for abuse too great. After all the military had concerns of how simple it would be to override the safety. The last thing the military would want is this expensive shit falling into the hands of those who have repeatedly shown less restraint than soldiers.

I say they would try it in Oakland first though if they ever got a chance to. It's been a problem area.

 

[Term_the_Schmuck]

Re: ...Okay I gotta ask, what is wrong with you Oakland? Occupy Oakland crackdown ag

Teargas launchers are often black powder or gunpowder to avoid breaking the projectile up upon firing, and these type prevent anything than standard canisters and projectiles being loaded but such others as springloaded (less common) and CO2 powered (more common and modern) have no restrictions as to the projectile so they can be used in a variety of situations with gas canisters, and other projectiles such as LTL projectiles, beanbag rounds, impact rounds and otherwise. Of course, this depends on the model of launcher but a safe generalization is that spring-loaded and CO2 launchers can accommodate any projectile including rocks that are the same general shape and size as one of the more common projectiles fired from a launcher. Perhaps what I saw the officer load was a used canister he picked off the ground but in either case, the point of my post was not the projectile or usage of said projectile but more of the brutality of firing a hard object directly into the chestbone of a helpless individual who had no bearing on the protest nor was involved in it but was beaten anyway.

Bringing up the tear gas launcher is extremely relevant because what you described doesn't or can't happen given how launchers work.

Again, even going on the assumption that the launcher was a CO2 model, you still come to the problem of the "rock" portion of your story. Unless your city doubles as a quarry, rocks don't just magically appear which are similar to the size and shape of the typical tear gas canister, which is about the same size and shape of a soda can, possibly a little larger. More likely what you find in city streets are pebbles from cracked asphalt, but nothing big enough or smooth enough to be properly discharged from any launching device. Those rounds you described are SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to be fired from the launcher. A rock you find on the street is not.

And now you're changing your story to "maybe it was a used gas canister." I'm sorry but I have some serious doubts about your credibility here, and any reasonable person here should take your story with a grain of salt considering the scene you described is physically impossible given how you believe you can just toss anything into a launcher and have it discharge properly.

But of course beyond all of this lies this simple fact: Pics or it didn't happen.

 

[Bambi]

Re: ...Okay I gotta ask, what is wrong with you Oakland? Occupy Oakland crackdown ag

Perhaps what I saw the officer load was a used canister he picked off the ground but in either case, the point of my post was not the projectile or usage of said projectile but more of the brutality of firing a hard object directly into the chestbone of a helpless individual who had no bearing on the protest nor was involved in it but was beaten anyway.

Oh, right.

So two things: a. when and where did this occur, and b. if you saw it, than someone else saw it, and so further, more than likely someone else had recorded it which allowed you to see it; any videos or news reports that specifically deal with this issue that you've mentioned? Extra points if it's something that occurred during this most recent clash.

@Lacus: And we're saying that's speculation, just because the intent of bringing the whole point of it up was designed to give a little bit more flare to the discussion than needed to be. It was an out of context example that relied heavily upon the present brinkmanship (game) of who can speculate and assume the worst crap about law enforcement so long as it makes the protestors and OWS look good by contrast.

Whether or not people realize what's going on in most of these threads is up to their own fault of observation, but damned if I am not going to be entitled a simple sigh and my ability to go, "Oh, hey, this again -- and all of that." You'll need legitimate sources for your disputes with law enforcement, as arguments that play to the ears and eyes of what's popular without being backed up are things that really, just aren't worth anybodies time anymore.

 

[Xenke]

Re: ...Okay I gotta ask, what is wrong with you Oakland? Occupy Oakland crackdown ag

This thread doesn't fail to reach my expectations of reading highly on the idiocy meter, great job FAF.

From just looking at the video shown in the OP as well as reading the attached article (I'll admit I can't be bothered to look further), what are we complaining about? I mean seriously?

Whatever nerds.

 

[CannonFodder]

Re: ...Okay I gotta ask, what is wrong with you Oakland? Occupy Oakland crackdown ag

CommieBat linked this to me-
[YT]G3-gtbvm9sA[/YT]
How is that justifiable?

 

[Term_the_Schmuck]

Re: ...Okay I gotta ask, what is wrong with you Oakland? Occupy Oakland crackdown ag

CommieBat linked this to me-
[YT]G3-gtbvm9sA[/YT]
How is that justifiable?

No real context with the video there CF. We don't know what prompted him being arrested from the video alone. He's resisting arrest and trying to actively struggle with police who are attempting to take him into custody.

Yeah, getting stun gunned will happen.

Now explain to me the intelligence of this woman by putting her daughter in the potential path of an oncoming train to disrupt the daily commute of people who have jobs:

[yt]AyIltLYI1Z8[/yt]

 

[CannonFodder]

Re: ...Okay I gotta ask, what is wrong with you Oakland? Occupy Oakland crackdown ag

No real context with the video there CF. We don't know what prompted him being arrested from the video alone. He's resisting arrest and trying to actively struggle with police who are attempting to take him into custody.

Yeah, getting stun gunned will happen.

Now explain to me the intelligence of this woman by putting her daughter in the potential path of an oncoming train to disrupt the daily commute of people who have jobs:

[yt]AyIltLYI1Z8[/yt]

Alot of people don't know that it takes miles for a train to stop.
While it sounds really fucking obvious, it's well known within the train industry that many people really don't know this and it's a very big problem. Also even fairly intelligent people don't know that it takes even longer for it to stop. Let's say a fully loaded train with the maximum weight allowed had to brake; it could take up to ten miles for it to reach a full stop. BNSF actually conducted a study and found that on average people thought it only took a couple hundred feet to stop a fully loaded train; that's why Oracle safety gives train safety lessons to help teach kids otherwise so that they don't end up blood splatters.

Tl:dr; it's not just that woman, it's a train safety hazard pandemic that unfortunately too many people don't know how long it takes for a train to stop.

 

[8-bit]

Re: ...Okay I gotta ask, what is wrong with you Oakland? Occupy Oakland crackdown ag

The stupidity in this thread in soul-crushing.


I'd like to see the cops just up and leave for a week. All the fucking dumbasses that go "ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWAH!" would either be dead, or crying for their mommies :3


The cops are there for a fucking reason. They aren't Cobra, for fucks sake.

 

[Tycho]

Re: ...Okay I gotta ask, what is wrong with you Oakland? Occupy Oakland crackdown ag

The cops are there for a fucking reason. They aren't Cobra, for fucks sake.

No, they're not.

Cobra had much better villain-costumes, and that wolf chick. And they had the courtesy to be all "RAWR WE ARE OBVIOUS VILLAINS FEAR US" instead of "PROTECT AND SERVE A TEARGAS CANISTER SANDWICH TO THE FACE, KEEPING THE PEACE EVEN IF WE HAVE TO BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF EVERY LIVING NON-UNIFORMED PERSON TO SHUT THEM THE FUCK UP - MR. BLOOMBERG CAN'T SLEEP WITH ALL THE RACKET"

Cops should be the pictures in the Urban Dictionary next to the entry for "frenemy".

 

[Quick Wolf]

Re: ...Okay I gotta ask, what is wrong with you Oakland? Occupy Oakland crackdown ag

The police brutality has to be expected, but sometimes when things get violent it is the only thing that works.

In this case, nothing was violent and there was no purpose other than beating a few people senseless for fun. If the officers were protecting themselves fine, I'm good with that, but this was not any form of defense, it was just cops making stereotypes even more clear.

 

[Neuron]

Re: ...Okay I gotta ask, what is wrong with you Oakland? Occupy Oakland crackdown ag

Well in my state the cops were told to back the hell off and just ignore people harassing them unless people start throwing things or start violence. Even then they are supposed to tone it down and let the protest resume if it's during the allowed hours, barring some really crazy things happening that cause a lockdown of the area. But that isn't likely, these people are just not very violent. A few bad eggs will make everyone look bad though.

 

[Aetius]

Re: ...Okay I gotta ask, what is wrong with you Oakland? Occupy Oakland crackdown ag

In this case, nothing was violent and there was no purpose other than beating a few people senseless for fun. If the officers were protecting themselves fine, I'm good with that, but this was not any form of defense, it was just cops making stereotypes even more clear.

Uhh huh.

"Occupy activists tossed pipes, bottles, burning flares and other objects Saturday at Oakland police..."

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-28/...land-police-kaiser-center-protesters?_s=PM:US

 

[DarrylWolf]

Re: ...Okay I gotta ask, what is wrong with you Oakland? Occupy Oakland crackdown ag

I think the burning of the American flag, the repeated ignorance of police orders for them to disperse, the complaints from nearby shops and restaurants and the destruction wrought upon the city of Oakland pretty much tells all you need to about the Occupy movement. They are anti-patriotic men, they don't listen to authority (even when said authority has the power to arrest them), they ruin everything that doesn't belong to them, and they have no respect for the ambience and peace of a public space. And yet no one has the audacity to do what must be done and instead, they've become media darlings and heroes. My experience with the Occupy movement is that they are loud and obnoxious people who think that by living in a tent that they are making a grand difference in the American body politic yet unlike real homeless people, these college trust fund brats would eat sushi and drink Beaujolais, all the while claiming to be poor and downtrodden.

If they really are the 99%, why on Earth are they being arrested by police officers? Do 99% of Americans really find visiting a park, restaurant row, or county courthouse more pleasant with a bunch of fake "urban outdoorsmen" with bullhorns telling them that America is corrupt? Is it only 1% of American shop owners and restaurateurs who hate these people for congesting traffic near their stores and wearing clothes that are so bad that no one can tell their high-end store from a Great Depression-era soup kitchen?

 

[CannonFodder]

Re: ...Okay I gotta ask, what is wrong with you Oakland? Occupy Oakland crackdown ag

they've become media darlings and heroes

What news have you been watching?
Most of the major news sources have had near blackouts on the protests.

 

[Term_the_Schmuck]

Re: ...Okay I gotta ask, what is wrong with you Oakland? Occupy Oakland crackdown ag

Tl:dr; it's not just that woman, it's a train safety hazard pandemic that unfortunately too many people don't know how long it takes for a train to stop.

Whether or not you're aware of the particulars on what it takes to stop a train, it's pretty much common knowledge that being in the path of an oncoming train is a BAD IDEA. Much like sitting down in the middle of rush hour traffic in Manhattan is a bad idea. And it gets even worse when they involve their kids in this.

You don't have to be an engineer to realize how stupid these people are by placing themselves and their kids in danger.

 

[CannonFodder]

Re: ...Okay I gotta ask, what is wrong with you Oakland? Occupy Oakland crackdown ag

Whether or not you're aware of the particulars on what it takes to stop a train, it's pretty much common knowledge that being in the path of an oncoming train is a BAD IDEA. Much like sitting down in the middle of rush hour traffic in Manhattan is a bad idea. And it gets even worse when they involve their kids in this.

You don't have to be an engineer to realize how stupid these people are by placing themselves and their kids in danger.

It truly is stupid.
Unfortunately you'd think too many train deaths aren't even from dogcatching, it's from stupid stuff that should never happen.

The stupidity in this thread in soul-crushing.


I'd like to see the cops just up and leave for a week. All the fucking dumbasses that go "ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWAH!" would either be dead, or crying for their mommies :3


The cops are there for a fucking reason. They aren't Cobra, for fucks sake.

I'm not one of the people going, "fuck the cops", I doubt any of them even want to be there in the first place. Some may even agree with OWS. Also I doubt many of them want to harm any of the protesters during crackdowns, except that jackass that fired at that veteran.
The problem is that those much higher up on the chain of command giving orders that they have to follow whether or not it's something they want to follow; also if your buddy from the academy is beating the shit out of someone for no reason you don't act like it never happened, you call that shit in and tell the higher ups exactly what happened instead of covering it up.

 

[8-bit]

Re: ...Okay I gotta ask, what is wrong with you Oakland? Occupy Oakland crackdown ag

No, they're not.

Cobra had much better villain-costumes, and that wolf chick. And they had the courtesy to be all "RAWR WE ARE OBVIOUS VILLAINS FEAR US" instead of "PROTECT AND SERVE A TEARGAS CANISTER SANDWICH TO THE FACE, KEEPING THE PEACE EVEN IF WE HAVE TO BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF EVERY LIVING NON-UNIFORMED PERSON TO SHUT THEM THE FUCK UP - MR. BLOOMBERG CAN'T SLEEP WITH ALL THE RACKET"

Cops should be the pictures in the Urban Dictionary next to the entry for "frenemy".

Thank you proving another of my points. A lot of the violence doesn't come out of nowhere. A good guy doesn't don the uniform and tun into a shit. Everyone pretty much hates cops for being "buzz kills" and whatnot. They have to deal with that almost everyday. Oh, and there jobs are often boring, unlike what you'd think if you honestly believed Law & Order to be true. Monotony, mounds of butt-numbingly awful paperwork, and less respect than JabberJaw can lead people to get pretty fucking tense. Then, some ignorant twats decide to start smashing shit and now you gotta go out (again) to get yelled at for no fucking reason other than your goddamn profession as some cunts chuck a rocks at you.

Don't sit there and tell me you'd put up with that shit, Tycho, or you're a fucking liar. This doesn't describe all instances (or maybe even most), and I agree that the slap on the wrist policy is horrendously flaw. But think of this. You have an asshole power abuser; do you think firing him is gonna stop him from being an asshole? Now he can disappear and continue beating people w/o causing grief for the Department. Doesn't sound like it'd work to me. Something needs to be done, but not that.

 

[Anepo]

Re: ...Okay I gotta ask, what is wrong with you Oakland? Occupy Oakland crackdown ag

I look forward to seeing those here who are against the occupy movement be on the street within 50 years begging for scraps of food and having living conditions worse than several African countries if the budget keeps going the way it is in the US & if the people let the government & bankers continue to run they´re life.

In my small 300,000 people country we overthrew our government & we bankrupted the bankers.
And look now we are in fact in a faster economy recovery than any other country.

While the US continues it's descent into bankruptcy.