Okay, someone care to explain this?

[pikachu_electricmouse]

Yeah I'm sorry about that. Theres an entire site full of that creepy *expletive* and it really put me off. I know I should be judging myself and not listening to others but all of a sudden, everything you say seems like exactly what the anti furs said you would say.

I'll put it more simply.

There are lots of furries that are into that stuff. And there are lots that aren't. That's all you really need to know about the fandom.


If you go to a furry con are there going to be people dicking eachothers in fursuits in the conference hall? No. Will there be some in their rooms? Probably.


What you get out the fandom is defined by where you hang out. If you're on Furaffinity, leave the adult filter on and most of the time you can have a nice clean experience. I honestly can't tell you what the ratio of furries who aren't in it for the sex at all, compared to those that are into it for that. But I can tell you that if the anti-furs make claims that all furries are into one thing or another, they're lying. I can also tell you that even if you're into the clean stuff only, if you label yourself a furry, people are still going to assume the worst.


And that's the honest truth.

 

[pikachu_electricmouse]

Do they have secks with their guns, too? Or their house... somehow...
"Hey guys, check it out! I'm raping my bedroom! Now I'm having sex with the freezer!"

I would not be at all surprised to find out people masturbate with guns. And the appliance fetish thing also sounds plausible. The bedroom, not so much.

This looks like a job for the mythbusters!

 

[Draco_2k]

I'm somewhat inclined to call a /Thread after sir or miss pikachu_electricmouse's posts here.

Do they have secks with their guns, too? Or their house... somehow...
"Hey guys, check it out! I'm raping my bedroom! Now I'm having sex with the freezer!"

This is awesome.

 

[pikachu_electricmouse]

Heh, that's the thing Nargle - most furries are quite normal. But as Draco points out, the media doesn't go for the normal ones, they want the extremes - they want the ones that will make people go "OMGWTF!?" 'cause that's news. The media has never been interested in fair representation, only in drawing the most attention.

A good example of someone on the extreme fringe who the media has latched onto is Stalking Cat:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=stalking cat&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi


This guy is the ONLY furry I know who's done these sorts of extreme body mods, but he's been interviewed several times.

There's also a lizard guy I know of who's done this to himself, but he's not a furry, he's just a sideshow act.

 

[pikachu_electricmouse]

I'm somewhat inclined to call a /Thread after Sir(Miss?) Pikachu's posts here.

This is awesome.

Did I do something against forum rules? Cause I'll remove the links to the car porn if that's the problem.

 

[Draco_2k]

Did I do something against forum rules? Cause I'll remove the links to the car porn if that's the problem.

No, no. I meant you've pretty much said it all.

 

[StainMcGorver]

I would not be at all surprised to find out people masturbate with guns. And the appliance fetish thing also sounds plausible. The bedroom, not so much.

This looks like a job for the mythbusters!

"Tonight on MythBusters, we put Adam naked into the bedroom with the doors and windows sealed, he'll need to invent a house fetish any way he can! Looks like Adam goes for the bedsheets first!"

 

[Rebahnic]

Fuck

 

[Whitenoise]

http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/show/vanityfair

I'm going to be completely silent untill I've gotten some explanation as to what the hell this is.

Simply put, it's hilariously accurate.

Also this

Okay. I guess that makes sense. It seems like it work work well as a spark for a catalytic explosion of BAWWWWWW, the likes nof which, never seen before the net.

But now I am face with morpheus and he offers me the red pill, or the blue pill.

"If you are under 18, value your eyesight, or want to continue thinking of the furry fandom and fursuits in general as not being one of the most bizarre things ever, then for for that one little piece of your soul that is still pure and innocent, DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK. Very VERY Not Work Safe!!"

I'm ashamed of myself for finally accepting that the fandom may not be that bad, immersing myslef in it and then one day later, trying not to run like motherfcking forrrest gump.

I'm scared.

I think the whale gimp and the winner in the duct tape fursuit are the best :] .

 

[ExTo]

But take heed: These things aren't limited to the world of furry. Anyone you meet... furry or mundane... could be a carfucker.

I just laughed. That was just WUT to the power of twelve.

 

[A terrible situation]

"Unusual," says Sergeant Major Jennings.
"I think its comical, myself," says one of his subordinates.
"God bless America," says the other..

What an epic quote

 

[SparkOfMortality]

I've seen both goatsee and tubgirl. Those two images were enough to teach me that when someone says "DONT CLICK THE LINK!", it's probably not worth it. Plus my freaking computer faces right out of my bedroom window which faces right into our neighbours house and I don't want some old lady glancing out her window and seeing some guy in a cheeta costume sucking off a wolf mascot. That would be BAD.

Sadly enough, I've actually seen the carfucker pic before. Back when my friend was trying to impress upon me that there were no exceptions to rule 34. He ruined my enjoyment of cavestory too.

Still though, the western media is not exaclty known for it's evenhanded, fair, informative value rather than it's sheer entertainment. We as people, generally don't give a shit what's happening outside our city, we want to be titillated, disgusted, fascinated and anmazed. Bunch of sideshow gawping freaks we are. I understand that those people interviewed were probably the worst it gets but the problem is not whether all furries are actually like that. The problem is that everyone is going to see them thaat way and for the first time I finally understand what the hell you guys have to put up with. I actually feel really sorry for you, having your reputations and your fandom assraped by nightmarish bullshit like this.

And ont he subject of the hater counter arguments. Now that my BRAIN has started working again after the horror, it;s pretty obvious that the most logical and sound arguments would be the most common and anyone can make a common argument sound bad. You actually have to listen to them too, or else you're being deliberately close minded. I'm trying to be as open minded as possible here and it's hard. I go on the web, do some research, find some guy buttfucked his cat, run back here blind and bumping into all the furniture and everyone here sighs and shakes their head and welcomes me to life.

I honestly feel ashamed of myself. I KNOW that this shit happens all the time with everyone, furry or not. In fact, alot of these guys have not a raptor slapping thing to do with furries, yet get piled under the same label by the media and everyone goes "eww! gross! furries are sick!" while their uncle is orally raping their little sister in the next room. Perverts are everywhere and since everyone sees furries as basically a pervert subculture, all the perverts go there to be accepted (because furries basically HAVE to be open minded and tolerant) and it just gets worse.

I'm really sorry and I hope you can understand how difficult it is to try to be more accepting of a group of people you heard were freaks and constantly seeing freaky shit that isn't really their fault but is too strong for you to shake off the apprehensiveness. It makes me feel unfair.

What we really need are more terms.
Like level 1 is: likes anthropomorphic art and characters better than human art and characters.
And level 2 is: likes animals better than people and sees animal characteristics int themselves and others
Level 3 would be: wishes that everyone was more animal like and tires to act/look/feel like an animal in private
so level 4 is: dresses up like an animal and pretends that they are an animal often
and level 5 could be: actually believes that they are an animal on some level
and so level 6 is: A fetish lifestlye all about animals

Be like: Anthro artisits, Theriantropes, Furry Fan, Furry, Soul Fur and Furverts in that order. Reduce confusion. People can set their hate boundries accordingly. Then you all wont be a mixed bag.

 

[ToeClaws]

Sparky - better idea: Don't hate.

You may not personally agree with the choice of others, and that's fine - it is our right to think and feel freely. People should not take it that extra level and hate others for that freedom of choice and expression, with one simple exception: so long as it is no harm to anyone.

We are people - people are strange, heh. So long as we can look past all our kooky oddities (and that goes for way more than just furries) we'll get along just fine. It's the classification and labelling that builds distrust, and ill-conceived ideologies that spawn hate.

 

[CAThulu]

I think you can have all the subgroups you want, and people are still going to lump you under the same banner.

A good case for this (other then religion, because gods know we have enough exampes of that) is goth. Rockabillies, candy goths, spooky kids, ninnies, romantigoths, deathrockers, cybergoths, ethergoths, rivet-heads, vampires...frak. The list goes on. Does it simplify things to have labels for the different kinds of goths?

No.

Are we still lumped under the same banner as "freak"? Oh yeah.

That's what being a part of a subversive culture is about. You're on the outside of the normal culture, but you're also a part of a secret society. Really, who the heck cares unless you run around in a fursuit during the morning commute calling attention to yourself. What we do in our private lives is exactly that...private...until you draw it out into the public. Do I talk for hours about the latest yiffy work by Blotch with my co-workers, or how awesome I find the werewolves in Underworld? No. Only with other furries I know.

You don't talk about Fight Club.

It really is too bad that you feel this way. Truly. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater on this one. Understand that there's some freaky shit in this subculture...like with ANY subculture. Know where you stand on the more extreme stuff. Don't put yourself in a situation where you may get involved in that extreme stuff. And know that there's ALWAYS going to be someone who will bash you for who you are, furry or not.

Relax, and take a deep breath dude. *S*

 

[SparkOfMortality]

Well you've all been very honest with me so far. Maybe a little more than I deserve so I'm going to be more honest for you.

I'm not scared of the freaks. I'm not afraid someone will secretly find out something and I'm not terrified of turning into a plushie fucker if I say I'm a furry.

What I am hesitant about is the fact that even just by being here, just by being associated with furs, already puts me into the edge of the territory controlled by brainhurt dipshits who can't handle the fact that there are more than five types of human being and generally hate four of them. I decided it was worth that risk, it was worth perhaps being called a zoophile or something in order to try and elevate myself above chanland. But the more and more of this stuff I see, the more I'm starting to regret wanting to do this.

I'm not afraid you guys are all sexual deviants (although some of you probably are), what I am afraid of is how much bigger the stereotype is than I ever thought it could be. I just realized that furries get a lot more shit than I though, and a much higher dosage of pure media-digested spew. What I'm afraid of is liking the fandom and however much I keep fightclub to myself, I'm still going to identify with furs and be unknowingly persecuted forever.

It's like hearing about a movie and it sounds like the best thing ever, you desperately want to watch it but 99% of people hate it and lynch anyone who says it was good, while the remaining 1% have formed a close knit community, fouled by creepy degenerates who all of a sudden, stop having to be private and indulge in their crap by taking advantage of the attitude of acceptance. You really want to watch that movie but you know that if you do, theres an unspoken obligation that puts you in that 1% and the 99% will hate you if they find out.

I don't want to carry some unspoken secret forever. Of course there is still the chance that I'll totally hate furry fandom but it's a scary thought.

-dramawhore

 

[pikachu_electricmouse]

What we really need are more terms.
Like level 1 is: likes anthropomorphic art and characters better than human art and characters.
And level 2 is: likes animals better than people and sees animal characteristics int themselves and others
Level 3 would be: wishes that everyone was more animal like and tires to act/look/feel like an animal in private
so level 4 is: dresses up like an animal and pretends that they are an animal often
and level 5 could be: actually believes that they are an animal on some level
and so level 6 is: A fetish lifestlye all about animals

Oh if only it were that simple. But you simply can't subdivide the culture so neat and tidy like that.

The first problem with your list is making the asumption that less than a sixth are into the sexual aspect of it, which you implied by assigning that only one slot. From what I've seen it's more like two thirds. At least.

But that doesn't mean that 70% of furries enjoy having sex in fursuits with one another. I don't know what the numbers for that are like, but it's probably 50% or less. Maybe even as low as 10%. Most furs do not even own a fursuit, and most fursuits do not have "strategically placed holes".

However, a good half the fandom is gay, and just because they don't have a suit doesn't mean they don't pretend they're wolves or foxes or what have you when they're doing god knows what.

That's the second preoblem with your list. It assumes that one must believe one is an animal before one takes "the plunge" so to speak, into furry sex. That is also not the case. Most furs in my experience do not believe they are an animal. They are just ordinary people who love anthro animals; some a little more than others.

So you see, all you can really do is say that maybe 60% of furries like furry porn, and maybe 15% own fursuits, and maybe 20% of those have sex in their fursuits. And maybe 50% of furs have plushies, but maybe 30% of thoe have sex with them. And maybe 10% believe they have the soul of an animal. And maybe 50% have pretended to be an animal at one time or another. And maybe 25% strongly prefer the company of animals over the company of people, but maybe 5% don't actually like animals at all and only like anthros.

Breaking it down into percentages. That's all you can do really.

Be like: Anthro artisits, Theriantropes, Furry Fan, Furry, Soul Fur and Furverts in that order. Reduce confusion. People can set their hate boundries accordingly. Then you all wont be a mixed bag.

Now why would you want to do that? You know, I don't like diaperfur stuff, but it bothers me when I read about people at cons snickering behind someone's back because they're into that. Because as I've just outlined, you can't break people into neat little groups. You might snicker at the diaperfurs one moment, and then have people in your group snickering a moment later at something you enjoy like fursuiting. Everyone has different tastes, and something you like, someone else is going to hate.

I think the saying "the pot calling the kettle black" sums up what I'm trying to say here.

I mean, I'm with you when I see two guys in a fursuit jerking eachtoher off. But is your reaction to that because they're gay, or because they're in a fursuit?

Watch this clip from Drew Carey and ask yourself that:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6mo2vUEPuA4

I think it's pretty damn cute in this instance. You tellin' me you wouldn't hit that?

 

[ExTo]

Pikachu: Err, I get your point, but I'll take time to point out your numbers are gross exaggerations. You say 50% of furries are gay - it's more like 15%. Now there ARE 30-35% of bisexuals as well, but that doesn't make us gay.

Spark: Ya' know, with time, you'll probably get to take it easy. The fandom isn't actually "hated", at least few people actually care for it, they just... like to laugh at us. Quite understandably. We go looking for it quite often, actually.

The media depicts an unfair portrayal - so what? If we ever hit relative mainstream, they'll go easier on us. Anyway, nearly every issue is distorted by the media, so that something as unusual as furries gets heat is no surprise. Take it easy, the less you mind, the less important it'll seem.

On a final note, well, I'll take time to note that some people are pretty much perverts, but still good people - obviously that depends on your definition of pervert, though. If for you, a perv is someone obssessed who is not afraid to make people uneasy for the sake of sex, then it's hard to imagine a perv as more than a slithering nuisance, yes. But if you're like me and use a definition that's more along the lines of "someone with loads of odd kinks", then by all means I know several perverts who are great people, and arguably I guess I could consider myself a perv as well... I call "bah" on that though, too subjective.

Watch this clip from Drew Carey and ask yourself that:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6mo2vUEPuA4

I think it's pretty damn cute in this instance. You tellin' me you wouldn't hit that?

Haha... that's actually kind of sweet, though sexy? Err, well, not.

 

[SparkOfMortality]

Oh if only it were that simple. But you simply can't subdivide the culture so neat and tidy like that.

The first problem with your list is making the asumption that less than a sixth are into the sexual aspect of it, which you implied by assigning that only one slot. From what I've seen it's more like two thirds. At least.

But that doesn't mean that 70% of furries enjoy having sex in fursuits with one another. I don't know what the numbers for that are like, but it's probably 50% or less. Maybe even as low as 10%. Most furs do not even own a fursuit, and most fursuits do not have "strategically placed holes".

However, a good half the fandom is gay, and just because they don't have a suit doesn't mean they don't pretend they're wolves or foxes or what have you when they're doing god knows what.

That's the second preoblem with your list. It assumes that one must believe one is an animal before one takes "the plunge" so to speak, into furry sex. That is also not the case. Most furs in my experience do not believe they are an animal. They are just ordinary people who love anthro animals; some a little more than others.

So you see, all you can really do is say that maybe 60% of furries like furry porn, and maybe 15% own fursuits, and maybe 20% of those have sex in their fursuits. And maybe 50% of furs have plushies, but maybe 30% of thoe have sex with them. And maybe 10% believe they have the soul of an animal. And maybe 50% have pretended to be an animal at one time or another. And maybe 25% strongly prefer the company of animals over the company of people, but maybe 5% don't actually like animals at all and only like anthros.

Breaking it down into percentages. That's all you can do really.




Now why would you want to do that? You know, I don't like diaperfur stuff, but it bothers me when I read about people at cons snickering behind someone's back because they're into that. Because as I've just outlined, you can't break people into neat little groups. You might snicker at the diaperfurs one moment, and then have people in your group snickering a moment later at something you enjoy like fursuiting. Everyone has different tastes, and something you like, someone else is going to hate.

I think the saying "the pot calling the kettle black" sums up what I'm trying to say here.

I mean, I'm with you when I see two guys in a fursuit jerking eachtoher off. But is your reaction to that because they're gay, or because they're in a fursuit?

Watch this clip from Drew Carey and ask yourself that:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6mo2vUEPuA4

I think it's pretty damn cute in this instance. You tellin' me you wouldn't hit that?

Yeah I thought up that list in like 5 seconds. It was just sort of an example of how I thought that there should at least be some broad definition of how "in" to the fandom people are. Even just two would be nice.

Edit: O.K, that clip wa hilarious!

 

[pikachu_electricmouse]

I don't want to carry some unspoken secret forever.

Well I don't know what to tell you there. Some furs have solved that little problem by not hiding it, and not giving a shit what the 99% think, even if that 99% are their parents or siblings. Others like myself keep it a closely guarded secret.

BUT, that's me, who's into the naughty side of furry. (Surprise!)

IF I were not however... I wouldn't be so deathly afraid of people close to me finding out. Because then, really, what would I have done wrong? Nothing. That's what.

Oh sure, there might still be some shame. After all, your peers might look down on you if you enjoy a movie like The Lion King. I keep those movies hidden from my family and friends because at my age I'm not supposed to like cartoons anymore. Same goes for my stuffed animals.

So, what you really need to ask yourself is how much shame are you willing to bear for something you enjoy? Because nothing you do in this world will be looked upon favorably by all others. You can't even pick a religion (or lack thereof) without having to worry about someone chastizing you for your choice. The question is, will you let what other people think about you dictate your life decisions? I would have gone to college to learn marine mammal biology so I could become a dophin trainer when I graduated high school. But back then, I was embarrased about even liking animals, and I hid that fact from my parents. It would have come as something of a shock for them to find out that after 12 years of being into nothing but computers suddenly I wanted to study dolphins. I know now that was a stupid thing to worry about and that I made a poor decision.

So... You sound like you want to be a part of the clean part of the fandom. No shame in that as far as I can see. You might be judged for it if people find out, but you can honestly deny any involvement in the seedier side of things if they suggest you're into that. But from what you're saying, regardless you'll probably want to keep it a secret from people who might chastize you for it. But at the same time, it's not that big a secret is it? Is it really gonna weigh on you heavily that you like movies like Over the Hedge and furry comic strips?

I guess you're the only one that can answer that one.

Anyway, hope this helps you figure things out. I'm not trying to indoctrinate you. The furry fandom isn't a cult. I've given you answers, it's up to you to figure out what to do with them.

Just keep in mind, whatever you choose, that not all furries are maladjusted members of society. Some of us merely have questionable taste. :3

 

[pikachu_electricmouse]

Pikachu: Err, I get your point, but I'll take time to point out your numbers are gross exaggerations. You say 50% of furries are gay - it's more like 15%. Now there ARE 30-35% of bisexuals as well, but that doesn't make us gay.

Gay, bisexual, the point is, you like penis. :3

But you're right, I included the bisexuals in that number, based on a furry poll I saw once. I'm pretty sure the gay tally was higher than 15% though.

 

[Uro]

Okay. I guess that makes sense. It seems like it work work well as a spark for a catalytic explosion of BAWWWWWW, the likes nof which, never seen before the net.

But now I am face with morpheus and he offers me the red pill, or the blue pill.

"If you are under 18, value your eyesight, or want to continue thinking of the furry fandom and fursuits in general as not being one of the most bizarre things ever, then for for that one little piece of your soul that is still pure and innocent, DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK. Very VERY Not Work Safe!!"

I'm ashamed of myself for finally accepting that the fandom may not be that bad, immersing myslef in it and then one day later, trying not to run like motherfcking forrrest gump.

I'm scared.

That bunny is hella creepy..

 

[Giorgio Gabriel]

Well you've all been very honest with me so far. Maybe a little more than I deserve so I'm going to be more honest for you.

I'm not scared of the freaks. I'm not afraid someone will secretly find out something and I'm not terrified of turning into a plushie fucker if I say I'm a furry.

What I am hesitant about is the fact that even just by being here, just by being associated with furs, already puts me into the edge of the territory controlled by brainhurt dipshits who can't handle the fact that there are more than five types of human being and generally hate four of them. I decided it was worth that risk, it was worth perhaps being called a zoophile or something in order to try and elevate myself above chanland. But the more and more of this stuff I see, the more I'm starting to regret wanting to do this.

I'm not afraid you guys are all sexual deviants (although some of you probably are), what I am afraid of is how much bigger the stereotype is than I ever thought it could be. I just realized that furries get a lot more shit than I though, and a much higher dosage of pure media-digested spew. What I'm afraid of is liking the fandom and however much I keep fightclub to myself, I'm still going to identify with furs and be unknowingly persecuted forever.

It's like hearing about a movie and it sounds like the best thing ever, you desperately want to watch it but 99% of people hate it and lynch anyone who says it was good, while the remaining 1% have formed a close knit community, fouled by creepy degenerates who all of a sudden, stop having to be private and indulge in their crap by taking advantage of the attitude of acceptance. You really want to watch that movie but you know that if you do, theres an unspoken obligation that puts you in that 1% and the 99% will hate you if they find out.

I don't want to carry some unspoken secret forever. Of course there is still the chance that I'll totally hate furry fandom but it's a scary thought.

-dramawhore

Put some steel in your spine, for allfather Wotan's sake! You say that you are no furry and yet you whine and cringe like a dyed-in-the-woll furry. You're even mentioning the infamous buzzword "persecution" in the same way oversensitive furverts will at the merest hint of somone disagreeing with them. Have you no courage whatsoever? No pride and self-worth? Are you that concerned with being accepted that you would hide behind the pitiful paper shield of claiming Persecution when someone is merely voicing their opinion about your particular kink?

Vanity Fair and CSI showed furries as being interestingly deviant fetishists, no different from Bondage fairies and Dominance sluts. They didn't show them as being Public Enemy Number One and neither did they purposefully try to stir up hatred for the fandom. Take that as you will. Their role was to shine a light on the kinky side of the furry fandom, which all furries seem to hate for some reason. Is it because they are afraid they will be shunned by normal people? The fandom is not some huge secret that must be told about to everyone and neither is it of extreme importance to your life. It is the least likely think to have any effect on your day-to-day life, save for a few sniggers from trolls. And if you behave in this oversensitive drama-queen manner you fully deserved to be mocked and made fun of a little, just to lighten your mood.

Furries are full of the ugly, disgusting things that we ordinarily keep under wraps, and to become a furry means that you willingly embrace that animalistic, visceral lewdness of unrestrained lusts and bestial pleasures. This makes you a Sick Fuck, to put it simply, and by and large the general public won't be ready for you or your animal folk fucking each other randomly. If you can make peace with this, you have nothing to fear. Prepare to deal with this, or forever be a coward.

In short, if you can't handle the heat, get out of my forge room.

 

[SparkOfMortality]

Put some steel in your spine, for allfather Wotan's sake! You say that you are no furry and yet you whine and cringe like a dyed-in-the-woll furry. You're even mentioning the infamous buzzword "persecution"

I'm sorry! I Got This far and I had the inextricable urge to laugh! Brought up funny memories!

 

[Draco_2k]

Furry FAQ:

Q: Is Furry fandom creepy?
A: Yes.

 

[ExTo]

Gay, bisexual, the point is, you like penis. :3

But you're right, I included the bisexuals in that number, based on a furry poll I saw once. I'm pretty sure the gay tally was higher than 15% though.

... :3

But yeah, 15% is only a slight underestimation. All the numbers I've seen were below 20%, 15% being the lowest. Depends on the poll you follow, mind you.

Furry FAQ:

Q: Is Furry fandom creepy?
A: Yes.

Honestly if people are creeped by furries they need to grow some guts, it takes so little time to get used to the grossest things and realize just how irrelevant it all is...