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[@@@ ON HOLD @@@]: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

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Xan_vega

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RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

Quaidis said:
On page 5, post 85, Dragoneer says that scraps were ok to post items in and this only applied to the main gallery. I don't want to start a fight, but he did answer the 'scraps included?' question.

Thank you for pointing that out to me, I must have overlooked it.
 

sasaki

Member
RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

Arshes Nei said:
Is there a legitimate reason for so much "quote wang" I mean geeze. I understand people wanting to discuss the issue, but really.

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Quaidis

Member
RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

Kels, post 89 (also page 5) Dragoneer shows a few examples of what he considers offtopic and ontopic. There is an ontopic photo of a cat with artistic merit and an offtopic photo of a cat as well. Please look back on that post. I think there only wants to be a distinction between 'Look at my kitty! Isn't he cute?!' general snapshots of the pet and 'I wanted to capture the pattern of fur against the light while portraying this message' photos of an animal.

Like someone also said recently (I think page 6) what you put in your notes can go a considerably long way.
 

Kels

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RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

Quaidis said:
Kels, post 89 (also page 5) Dragoneer shows a few examples of what he considers offtopic and ontopic.

I fail to see how examples given on page 5 means I shouldn't have asked my question on page 3, or my reaction to Dragoneer's answer on the same page, which was before a definitive answer was finally given.
 

Wolfblade

Member
RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

Quaidis said:
On page 5, post 85, Dragoneer says that scraps were ok to post items in and this only applied to the main gallery. However the flooding rule still applied for everywhere. I don't want to start a fight, but he did answer the 'scraps included?' question.

Woops, I stand corrected. My apologies ^_^;;

Kels said:
Wolfblade said:
Maybe it would help things if people going crazy would... not go crazy. Just for a moment at least. Everyone stay calm, ask questions if they have not been addressed already (like Xan_vega), and otherwise just stop with the prophecies of doom.

That is precisely what I was doing with my question, although it occasioned a bit of condescention from you about photography vs. drawing. All I wanted to know was are artistic photographs of pets lumped in with all other photographs of pets, which had not by then been addressed. Dragoneer's answer seemed to imply that yes, they were all considered "not-art", which made me do a double-take.

No panic, no prophecies, no nothing. A simple question and a bit of a surprised response. Although immediately after I seemed to be lumped in with the panickers, even though I believe if dealt with evenly, it can be a good policy.

I apologise if I came across as condescending to you, I'm not sure where I did that. I admit, I've been a bit short with the people who are going crazy and panicking, but you're not someone I'd count among them. You weren't going crazy, so I wasn't referring to you. Quaidis has it right though, check out Dragoneer's given examples. ^_^
 

Kels

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RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

Wolfblade said:
I apologise if I came across as condescending to you, I'm not sure where I did that. I admit, I've been a bit short with the people who are going crazy and panicking, but you're not someone I'd count among them. You weren't going crazy, so I wasn't referring to you. Quaidis has it right though, check out Dragoneer's given examples. ^_^

S'okay, things are pretty much dealt with now, so I have a better idea of where Dragoneer (and others) are headed with the policy. Although a bit more clarity wouldn't hurt.
 

Dragoneer

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RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

Zelinko said:
[size=xx-large]ANOTHER BAD IDEA[/size]

You're screwing over the Authors now.
How are we screwing over authors? The rule has absolutely nothing to do with writers or poets at all.
 

zorrofeta

New Member
RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

Foxstar said:
Zelinko said:
[size=xx-large]ANOTHER BAD IDEA[/size]

You're screwing over the Authors now.

ALSO WTF WITH ALL THE 500 INTERNAL SERVER ERRORS AND 505 BAD GATEWAYS NOW!

As Yiffstarr is around, I don't really see a issue here.

Yeah, cuz everyone knows all furry literature is porn. ALL.
jeez, think before you talk :p
 

Wolfblade

Member
RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

zorrofeta said:
Yeah, cuz everyone knows all furry literature is porn. ALL.
jeez, think before you talk :p

He didn't say it was. Not everything on yiffstar is porn either.

And yes, "yiff"star, but this is also "FUR"Affinity but that doesn't mean everything here is furry.

Sometimes people think before they talk, and sometimes they don't. And sometimes they do, but people seem to think that they don't. Whee. XD
 

Torakhan

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RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

Zelinko said:
Also No one has touched the issue of stories, music, flashes [both wip and completed].

The Wiki is so vague I'm seeing everyone going Crazy. I'd personally say stupid change and most of the spamming is because the Upload system has been fucked up for a while. People unsure the image is even uploading and with all the error messages people might be having a hard time deleting them.

Apparently Dragoneer's thinking he can make up for royal server fuckups after the entire drama storm almost 2 months ago.

Leave. No, seriously, get out of here.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again; "if you don't like the FREE SERVICE, get out and don't come back." Stop crying and calling names and such along with the other folks making a big deal out of this, stop trying to find holes, wiggle your fingers in them until you pull the stiching out and then complain that the holes are too big.
Yes, some of the rules are a little vague, but that's so that there is room for interpretation and case-by-case calls.
The point of the matter is that folks are uploading non-relevant items in large quantities onto an art-critique service. Many have taken advantage of this service (or didn't understand the purpose of FA because they wandered in while others were doing the same thing without being "caught") and are now trying to make the issue "blow-up" so that it won't be resolved and they can keep posting off-topic garbage.

As for the server issues, this is not the point of the forum, so go troll somewhere else. Thank you, please get hit by a truck.

... and now for a less aggrivated reply...
Xan_vega said:
I have read the wiki, I have read the forum but I keep seeing the same question being asked and not get answered (if I missed it, sorry) does this ONLY pertain to the gallery or is scraps included? scraps is where I put my non-artistic items, as that was what I was told it was for. If you limit on the scraps, then what's the point for that folder?

I use scraps for my non-finished work, or work that I don't really want folks to look at and grade me on. They are my "scraps", items that if folks REALLY want to look at my process, or my life they can look there. So sketches, unfinished works, a few pics of me and things... they go there (maybe even commissions by other artists done just for me.) So there's plenty to use a scraps area for than just off-topic pics. :)
 

Dragoneer

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RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

Zelinko said:
Apparently Dragoneer's thinking he can make up for royal server fuckups after the entire drama storm almost 2 months ago.
Our server's been overloaded for some time, and that's why we're getting a new server. So, if I'm making up for anything, it's that.
 

FoxyWolf

Bichote!
RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

So up to five off topic images... should more than enough... *eats dragoneer* Yum ^_^
 

spitfiredragon

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RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

Perhaps a whole other section could be worked out that will display pictures hosted from other sources, for these people... (maybe not count as a submission for delivery notifications..) I can understand people wanted to dig out a little spot of their own on the web, and if they choose it to be here (probably because of the close proximity to art they are watching) than maybe it should be encouraged in alternative ways, if not fully supportive.

Of course Im not sure much about the innerworkings of this site as if its original coded by its owners, or if its based on others works, so this may not be an option..
 
RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

Zelinko said:
[size=xx-large]ANOTHER BAD IDEA[/size]

You're screwing over the Authors now.

ALSO WTF WITH ALL THE 500 INTERNAL SERVER ERRORS AND 505 BAD GATEWAYS NOW!

Good job at totally not even reading the original post before having a shit fit. Keep yelling like that, it's really great for presenting your opinion in an intelligent and worthwhile way. :roll:

In fact, I'd wager that about half the people who posted in this thread didn't even read the first post before they came in here stomping their feet. Pro tip: It helps to understand what you're upset about before coming in and making fools of yourselves.

If you created something, then it's fine. SL avatars, sculpture, clothing, tattoos, whatever. That's all stuff that we make. You have to take photos of that kind of stuff to put it online anyway. But, there is a also a really big difference between lolphotosomg of your cat Mr. Muffins and then well thought out portrait photographs of Mr. Muffins. Same thing goes for lolphotosomg of your backyard and then good atmospheric landscape photography. People are going to argue about what exactly that difference is and what it means, but to me it seems the rule is in place to stop people from flooding with useless submissions that fall into the obvious 'lolphotosomg' category.

Fur Affinity is an art community (ideally). Things you create belong here. It's not Livejournal. It's not MySpace. It's not Photobucket/Image Shack/Waffle Images/etc. It's not a dumping ground for submissions that in no way contribute to the site. Try looking around on DA for a little bit. There's hundreds, if not thousands of accounts filled with nothing but useless crap that is not creative personal on any level. That sucks, and that kind of content doesn't belong on a site like this.
 

Dragoneer

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Site Director
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RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

[size=medium]NOTE:[/size]
The "Imageshack" Policy has been temporarily retracted to offer a full re-write to offer further clarification based on feedback received. The image was not meant to limit photography as much as it was to stem non-artistic uploads. After further discussion, the original rule did not seem to convey that as much.
 

Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

Hmm guess it's back to the TOS room *slides down a pole*
 

timoran

Banned
Banned
RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

A wise decision, Dragoneer. Don't enforce this rule until ALL problems are settled.

Don't worry about over-defining anything. Being overbroad opens Furaffinity up to become - regardless of who the admins are - another boot camp like VCL. When admins exercise "quality control" over the content and become "judges" of whether something is "art" or not... favoritism and censorship become very real problems, just as they are at VCL.

Frankly, when FurAffinity begins practicing censorship is when the server problems will end... because nobody will want to be a part of that. I'm content to live with a bit of lag rather than face censorship, myself.
 

Dragoneer

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RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

timoran said:
Frankly, when FurAffinity begins practicing censorship is when the server problems will end... because nobody will want to be a part of that. I'm content to live with a bit of lag rather than face censorship, myself.
We already have to censor to stop fights, harassment, slander, attack images, etc.
 

timoran

Banned
Banned
RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

Dragoneer said:
timoran said:
Frankly, when FurAffinity begins practicing censorship is when the server problems will end... because nobody will want to be a part of that. I'm content to live with a bit of lag rather than face censorship, myself.
We already have to censor to stop fights, harassment, slander, attack images, etc.


I'll thank you not to make a straw man of my argument. You know that isn't what I mean.
 

Dragoneer

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RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

timoran said:
I'll thank you not to make a straw man of my argument. You know that isn't what I mean.
Sorry, was being a bit too tehnical.

Also, Yak proposed a better idea that I think we may go with...
 

Ch'marr

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RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

timoran said:
Don't worry about over-defining anything. Being overbroad opens Furaffinity up to become - regardless of who the admins are - another boot camp like VCL.
Really? What makes VCL a boot camp? :) I'd really like to hear your rationale for that description :)
 

Endless Night

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RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

Well now that it's pulled we all get to enjoy this http://www.furaffinity.net/view/306279/ kind of crap again.

I'm really looking forward for the phoenixing of the rule.

Maybe you guys could start with banning the clearly nonsense stuff like that link above and leave the more tricky stuff like photos of pets which may be an artful portrait or may be snap shot depending on the eye of the beholder, posing items, etc., until you can further discuss it?

It's actually pretty sad that folks can't self police themselves even a little bit on this one now that it's been brought up as an issue. I think most people have the sense to know what should go in their LJ/Photobucket and what should go here. I still believe in the general common sense of the community, misplaced as that may be. :p  

Anyways I'm really hoping for a crack down on the completely inane submissions even before you guys try and tackled the more complex parts of the issues.
 

czgoldedition

Chinook McMutton Z
RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

I find that I disagree with this decision - photos equate art as well, or may have artistic value in being used as references, et cetera. Personally, I feel like "imageshack behavior" should be allowed, but simply restricted to scraps rather than out in a person's main gallery if the photos are just snapshots.

EDIT: Read part about the revision. My suggestion: just restrict "non-artistic" photos to scraps and/or give them their own category, as spitfiredragon mentioned might be beneficial. But regardless, do what you feel is right, of course - 'tis your site, and we should respect your decision. I just think not eliminating people's abilities to post photos may help maintain even more appeal amoungst the masses. :]
 
RE: New Policy in Effect: Imageshack Behavior

czgoldedition said:
I find that I disagree with this decision - photos equate art as well, or may have artistic value in being used as references, et cetera. Personally, I feel like "imageshack behavior" should be allowed, but simply restricted to scraps rather than out in a person's main gallery if the photos are just snapshots.

Server space. That, and nobody wants to see 9 shots of your new shoes, scraps or not.
 
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