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Ramjet

Seizing the memes of production
Banned
Don't be so sure. Collectively, we have a shitload of nukes, enough to destroy the world via nuclear winter a hundred times over literally. Nuclear winter would drastically diminish food production and even vegetation growth globally for decades, maybe even a century. Life could survive, but it may very well not be human life.


520 atmospheric test were conducted since the invention of the A/H bomb...

The effects of nuclear weapons are highly exaggerated through the media and Hollywood...

Half-Life for nuclear fallout which consist mostly of debris kicked up from the explosion is safe for exposure within a month...

You yourself can go and visit the first nuclear explosion site (Trinity)
In New Mexico...
 

GreenZone

Banned
Banned
I mean Australia is given 50/50 odds in most COG scenarios. It is geographically remote, removed from the jetstreams which means reduced fallout risk, has defense and resettlement agreement with multiple island nations which could augment the food supply and labor force in a world without international trade as we know it, and has a military and government capable of rebuilding a sizeable portion of the Pacific's infrastructure after a nuclear war.

But there is also the fact that a lot of countries, like China and Russia, have factored Australia into their first and second strike strategies and would lob a few ICBMs at major cities and installations to ensure the Australians do not inherit the Earth .... but it's an open question whether they would want to waste reaction time responding to a potential future threat when they could try (and probably fail) to intercept incoming nukes.

Either way you dice it, the bad news is most of the world won't be happy campers come morning. The good news will be they won't be unhappy campers because they'll be dead.


that's mostly all science fiction stuff

as for the fallout look up the 7/10 rule its not actually going to take 200 years for fallout to clear nor will it completely envelop the world at ground zero you'd be able to go outside within two weeks the important thing to remember is a nuke strike is only one blast of radiation its not a nuclear plant constantly leaking radiation

as for Australia being hit well it wont what i'm talking about is not an assumption that Australia is not important enough to be hit its the actual real world prediction coming from military advisers analysts etc etc Australia just wont be hit if we do it would only be one site pine gap which is far far far away from anything


and finally nukes are not going to be just lobbed indiscriminately nukes while they do a lot of damage they're not these planet destroying death balls like movies and media portray them in reality nukes are used ahead of a massive invasion the idea is to knock out a countries defences and then invade before a counter strike is possible in the case of MAD its a cunt move but if you don't live near major urban centres just stay in doors for two weeks

put it this way when the oil wells went up in iraq everyone predicted the end of the world it would trigger a winter for 200 years and spark an artificial ice age etc etc

all that happened is some soldiers got lung conditions later in life environment was not effected

the idea that fallout will gas the world comes from misunderstanding how radiation works its not fire just because you have more of it does not make it any more powerful its still going to reduce very quickly you don't need a vault tech vault to survive it either you just need to ductape any gaps in your house and wait out for 2-4 weeks
 

Ramjet

Seizing the memes of production
Banned
that's mostly all science fiction stuff

as for the fallout look up the 7/10 rule its not actually going to take 200 years for fallout to clear nor will it completely envelop the world at ground zero you'd be able to go outside within two weeks the important thing to remember is a nuke strike is only one blast of radiation its not a nuclear plant constantly leaking radiation

as for Australia being hit well it wont what i'm talking about is not an assumption that Australia is not important enough to be hit its the actual real world prediction coming from military advisers analysts etc etc Australia just wont be hit if we do it would only be one site pine gap which is far far far away from anything


and finally nukes are not going to be just lobbed indiscriminately nukes while they do a lot of damage they're not these planet destroying death balls like movies and media portray them in reality nukes are used ahead of a massive invasion the idea is to knock out a countries defences and then invade before a counter strike is possible in the case of MAD its a cunt move but if you don't live near major urban centres just stay in doors for two weeks

put it this way when the oil wells went up in iraq everyone predicted the end of the world it would trigger a winter for 200 years and spark an artificial ice age etc etc

all that happened is some soldiers got lung conditions later in life environment was not effected

the idea that fallout will gas the world comes from misunderstanding how radiation works its not fire just because you have more of it does not make it any more powerful its still going to reduce very quickly you don't need a vault tech vault to survive it either you just need to ductape any gaps in your house and wait out for 2-4 weeks


Exactly...

People bring up Chernobyl and think a Nuke works the same way...
 

LogicNuke

To the lulz, dear boy.
Banned
that's mostly all science fiction stuff

as for the fallout look up the 7/10 rule its not actually going to take 200 years for fallout to clear nor will it completely envelop the world at ground zero you'd be able to go outside within two weeks the important thing to remember is a nuke strike is only one blast of radiation its not a nuclear plant constantly leaking radiation

as for Australia being hit well it wont what i'm talking about is not an assumption that Australia is not important enough to be hit its the actual real world prediction coming from military advisers analysts etc etc Australia just wont be hit if we do it would only be one site pine gap which is far far far away from anything


and finally nukes are not going to be just lobbed indiscriminately nukes while they do a lot of damage they're not these planet destroying death balls like movies and media portray them in reality nukes are used ahead of a massive invasion the idea is to knock out a countries defences and then invade before a counter strike is possible in the case of MAD its a cunt move but if you don't live near major urban centres just stay in doors for two weeks

put it this way when the oil wells went up in iraq everyone predicted the end of the world it would trigger a winter for 200 years and spark an artificial ice age etc etc

all that happened is some soldiers got lung conditions later in life environment was not effected

the idea that fallout will gas the world comes from misunderstanding how radiation works its not fire just because you have more of it does not make it any more powerful its still going to reduce very quickly you don't need a vault tech vault to survive it either you just need to ductape any gaps in your house and wait out for 2-4 weeks
I'm more concerned about the dust being raised into the atmosphere by the strikes. It could linger for awhile and reduce sunlight levels, like how volcano eruptions do on smaller level. Actually, in an earlier post, you mentioned that humanity was comprised of only 10,000 people at one point in our history. That was because of this:

Toba catastrophe theory - Wikipedia

There is some controversy over how severe it was, though.
 

WithMyBearHands

Smudge and arrogant
Humanity would eventually starve. Bouncing back from a catastrophe like the world going nuclear would be impossible. Going off of the theory mentioned on Alternate History Hub, even if humanity managed to hold out long enough in the virtually untouched Southern Hemisphere, we’ve left the earth in such a terrible state that I’m not confident it would be capable of sustaining life.


Edit: that isn’t including a total nuclear war. That’s all the godawful pollution and overconsumption we’ve cursed this planet with
 

GreenZone

Banned
Banned
I'm more concerned about the dust being raised into the atmosphere by the strikes. It could linger for awhile and reduce sunlight levels, like how volcano eruptions do on smaller level. Actually, in an earlier post, you mentioned that humanity was comprised of only 10,000 people at one point in our history. That was because of this:

Toba catastrophe theory - Wikipedia

There is some controversy over how severe it was, though.

oh well reduction in global warming win win ;)
Humanity would eventually starve. Bouncing back from a catastrophe like the world going nuclear would be impossible. Going off of the theory mentioned on Alternate History Hub, even if humanity managed to hold out long enough in the virtually untouched Southern Hemisphere, we’ve left the earth in such a terrible state that I’m not confident it would be capable of sustaining life.


i saw that too its wrong all i can say is please don't buy into the hype a lot of that BS is coming from green peace or counter nuke movements during the cold war its not scientific we've detonated more nukes in our life time than there are actually available now
 

WithMyBearHands

Smudge and arrogant
In remote areas and not in major cities or anywhere populated.

At least, I would hope not.

Government’s fucked, who knows
 
M

Massan Otter

Guest
I'm with Sun Ra on the issue.
Now what you gonna doooo? Without yo' ass?

(Some NSFW lyrics)

 

Ramjet

Seizing the memes of production
Banned
I'm more concerned about the dust being raised into the atmosphere by the strikes. It could linger for awhile and reduce sunlight levels, like how volcano eruptions do on smaller level. Actually, in an earlier post, you mentioned that humanity was comprised of only 10,000 people at one point in our history. That was because of this:

Toba catastrophe theory - Wikipedia

There is some controversy over how severe it was, though.

Can't compare a serious volcanic eruption to a Nuke,no comparison...

science.howstuffworks.com: How much energy in a hurricane, a volcano, and an earthquake?
 

Ramjet

Seizing the memes of production
Banned
I feel...really lethargic today. I just...wanna eat cake.

Let them eat cake...

let-them-eat-cake-the-biggest-bestestmost-delicious-cake-inthe-26009087.png
 

GreenZone

Banned
Banned
"The age of man draws to a close."

Apt status quote, my man.

i think people would help eachother

me and the guys from work have gone over this scenario many times what would happen if society broke down because we'd be much stronger than civilians initially we just accepted we'd probably become raiders preying on the weak but then we really thought about what we were saying and the oaths we all took now and we decided instead that we'd become Brotherhood of steel type thing securing the base using survivors to bolster numbers going off into the wastes to restore order/send patrols out for supplies and secure tech try to maintain coms with other bases to try and get them to do the same

be honest if you were in the wasteland and you saw some one starving to death are you REALLY going to just walk past that?

i think people would help eachother not prey on one another
 

WithMyBearHands

Smudge and arrogant
i think people would help eachother

me and the guys from work have gone over this scenario many times what would happen if society broke down because we'd be much stronger than civilians initially we just accepted we'd probably become raiders preying on the weak but then we really thought about what we were saying and the oaths we all took now and we decided instead that we'd become Brotherhood of steel type thing securing the base using survivors to bolster numbers going off into the wastes to restore order/send patrols out for supplies and secure tech try to maintain coms with other bases to try and get them to do the same

be honest if you were in the wasteland and you saw some one starving to death are you REALLY going to just walk past that?

i think people would help eachother not prey on one another
Sorry to say that I’m not sure what I would do. A few years ago I considered myself a good person, but I don’t believe that anymore. I want to be, though. My conscience is not something I’m proud of.
 

zenmaldita

always hungry
:V terrible weekend? I've been hibernating all day
Not really. Overall my week has been great! It was a productive and enjoyable week....maybe my energy just ran out?
I was sketching your badge but I can't get my mojo on!
So I tried PVP on Dragon Nest but alas, I forgot that the lag is so bad no matter how much you do it right, it doesn't happen in the game =))))

Let them eat cake...

let-them-eat-cake-the-biggest-bestestmost-delicious-cake-inthe-26009087.png
why does it look li---oh.

Ultimately, don't we all? Want cake, that is.
I've been watching cake videos on youtube.

apparently heatingyour knife with a blow torch can really make really satisfying cake cuts
 
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