Osama Bin Laden is Dead

[TwilightV]

At least they (successfully) tried to keep casualties to a minimum.

 

[Teneba]

Hell Yeah!!! I'm so glad he's dead. I'm not an American but this is soooo relieving to hear this however I wonder what will happen? will the terrorists retaliate?

There is some speculation that they will due to some kind of brotherhood martyrdom. News reporters are saying that security will likely have to take a whole 'nother leap up, which may be a huge pain for people commuting via airlines. Also, keep in mind that a lot of these extremists don't value their lives and strive only to achieve satisfaction in the afterlife. But honestly, if there is an Allah, he will surely condemn those bastards to hell for their murderous actions. This is definitely a good day in the war against terror and freeing the countries in the middle east from its grip.

 

[Azure]

I assume it looked like this:

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Funny thing, I just heard that they killed a woman shield! PRECOG ALERT :V

 

[Deo]

Think Deo, please.

READ Rukh, please.
I said I had hoped though I knew it was unlikely that he'd be captured alive. I said it was unlikely, so you don't have to go "WELL IT WAS UNLIKELY". I get it, and I already said so. If you bothered to read what I said instead of justifying bullshit with AMUURRRICA then I might be able to take you seriously.

Hell Yeah!!! I'm so glad he's dead.

Seriously? No, fuck you. People should not be "glad" that he's dead, we should not be deriving pleasure from the death of another human being.

 

[CannonFodder]

How, exactly, do you know osama?

Are you a terrorist, Rukh?

Well, are you?

What I find sick is the fact that not even a few years ago, a joke like this would end up someone being interrogated by the gov :/

It is pretty sickening, and normally I would be right there with you. There's just something about this instance that I can't explain, and while I don't feel like celebrating, I don't feel like yelling at the celebrators just yet. It's like they needed this.

\I'll give it a day before I start ranting about it

Edit: I'm not trying to defend my morality as perfect here. I know I'm not a paragon of virtue. Oh well.

If they are still celebrating tomorrow that is a bad sign.

 

[JadeFire]

This is going to be one hell of a hornets nest we've opened. Now it's time to see if our homeland defense is up to the task.

Also, this is a man who wished nothing but death and misery on his enemies, and was in full support of humanity's return to savage barbarism. He caused and gloated over the deaths of many innocent people of many nationalities and many faiths, including his own. He was a terrible man, and the world is absolutely better off without people like him. While it's unfortunate that we're celebrating the death of a human being, Osama's death is an absolute good thing, and we can't forget that. Deriving pleasure from his death is technically immoral, but it is entirely justified. So quit arguing about it.

 

[Wolf-Bone]

Why is it wrong? Morality is subjective, blah blah blah, I can see the celebration of the death of good or otherwise neutral people as being horrible. But this fellow has been bringing nothing but bloodshed, aggression, and inhumanity wherever he's tred, and he's inspired, equipped, and mentored countless others. There is no shame in celebrating this. Petty it may be, it's all most folks got.

And when people celebrate the execution of someone they had absolutely nothing to do with, who for all they know might be innocent, it's for similar reasons, "because it's all they got". They want someone to pay for the fact they hate their job, or that they don't have one, or that they don't get on with their family, or whatever. Deo's right. They're not at all coming from a good place when they "celebrate" someone's death. They'd be coming from a good place if they lamented the fact that someone like Osama bin Laden used their wealth, influence, intelligence and sheer charisma for evil instead of good. But he turned out the way he did for the same fundamental reason you guys feel and react the way you do; because it's simply easier to feel spite and hate than remorse, and to be glad the bad guy went away (in the short term) instead of wishing they could have been one of the good guys.

It's a fair bit deeper than this. In fact, it's way fucking deeper. In fact, the Cold War never ended.

The Cold War never ended the way the Roman Empire never fell. The Russians are still half a continent's worth of sociopathic crime cartels pretending they're a legitimate government, and the Italians and their former Roman provinces are still a bunch of stubby, greasy heathens doing a piss poor job at being Christian or Roman, but nonetheless, the leaderships have changed, the ideologies have changed, the borders on all the maps have changed, the eras have changed. So "it's over" enough.

 

[Deo]

I think this is going to be more of a symbolic victory for the US.

I mean, how much power could he actually have had at the time of death?

He had almost none. He was killed for revenge to placate the masses.

Fuck I wish those fireworks would stop. Goddamnit, if this continues I'm going out there and tearing soe AMURRICA idiots some new ones.

 

[A10pex]

Military intelligence is not an oxymoron anymore

 

[Deo]

Seriously, your an idiot.

Sigg'd.

 

[Zaraphayx]

Yeah, him and me were best buddies. Had many a talks with the man sipping beer watching football....

Seriously, your an idiot.

Says he who can't take a joke, :V

Or use the correct form of 'you're'.

 

[Teneba]

we should not be deriving pleasure from the death of another human being.

The way I see it Deo, Osama Bin Laden was not a human, he was a monster. So we raided his dungeon, killed him without standing in the fire and stole his epic loots.

 

[Deo]

This is definitely a good day in the war against terror and freeing the countries in the middle east from its grip.

How does the death of a man who has no current influence in terrorist activities "free the countries in the middle east"? Hyperbole and asinine assumptions anyone?

 

[Zaraphayx]

How does the death of a man who has no current influence in terrorist activities "free the countries in the middle east"? Hyperbole and asinine assumptions anyone?

Stop trying to reason with madness, it's not going to do anything but frustrate you. lol

 

[Oopslol]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ47eGSilPc&feature=player_embedded

South Park: Nostradamus for a new era

 

[Deo]

The way I see it Deo, Osama Bin Laden was not a human, he was a monster. So we raided his dungeon, killed him without standing in the fire and stole his epic loots.

No.
We do not dehumanize. When people demonize and dehumanize each other it ends in more bloodshed. Everyone is a person, everyone has basic human rights. It is childish to pretend that he is a monster in order to defend our sick glorification of his death.

 

[Azure]

And when people celebrate the execution of someone they had absolutely nothing to do with, who for all they know might be innocent, it's for similar reasons, "because it's all they got". They want someone to pay for the fact they hate their job, or that they don't have one, or that they don't get on with their family, or whatever. Deo's right. They're not at all coming from a good place when they "celebrate" someone's death. They'd be coming from a good place if they lamented the fact that someone like Osama bin Laden used their wealth, influence, intelligence and sheer charisma for evil instead of good. But he turned out the way he did for the same fundamental reason you guys feel and react the way you do; because it's simply easier to feel spite and hate than remorse, and to be glad the bad guy went away (in the short term) instead of wishing they could have been one of the good guys.

The rabble will never change. And what might have, could have, would have been, but never was ain't a relateable fact to them. That, and Saudi creme de la creme aren't known for their good hearted nature. And who are we to judge what place any person comes from? What makes us better judges of character than another?

The Cold War never ended the way the Roman Empire never fell. The Russians are still half a continent's worth of sociopathic crime cartels pretending they're a legitimate government, and the Italians and their former Roman provinces are still a bunch of stubby, greasy heathens doing a piss poor job at being Christian or Roman, but nonetheless, the leaderships have changed, the ideologies have changed, the borders on all the maps have changed, the eras have changed. So "it's over" enough.

Yeah, but the toys just get more and more dangerous.

 

[CannonFodder]

What people assume this means-
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However we still have the war in Afghanistan and Al Queda is still killing our doods in our base.

 

[Darkwing]

Seriously? No, fuck you. People should not be "glad" that he's dead, we should not be deriving pleasure from the death of another human being.

Deo, the next few days are gonna be hell for you because people will be celebrating.

Face it, this is a very evil dude we're talking about, he killed thousands of people on our soil which dragged us into this war, and is responsible for many other deaths in other countries. He's a religious extremist, and influenced many innocent people to follow him. Saying that Osama shouldn't be dead is about the equivalent of saying that Hitler shouldn't be dead.

He deserves to die, he seriously fucking does, there's no arguing that at all.

 

[CAThulu]

I'm not going to jump on the wagon of "YEAH HE'S DEAD, WOO HOO!". I don't celebrate anyone's death, nor do I find happiness in his death. To be honest it would have been better for us if he was captured alive and fully interrogated for information, though we may have done that (I'm not clear on the circumstances of his death, if we got information out of him, and no I do not mean torture as a means of interrogation). I am not glad, or happy over this man's death, but I am feeling a small sense of relief that perhaps there is a lessened threat of violence and death in the world. Perhaps. Not that the death of an old, ailing, past leader of Al Qaida has the same meaning it did when Osama Bin Laden was actually running the show. We need the current leaders of Al Qaida, not the leaders from ten years ago killed and their deaths celebrated out of some perverse revenge.

I absolutely understand where you are coming from in this, but I for one am happy that this guy is dead. Gods bless the kiss-ass Navy SEALs for taking down this festering piece of shit.

 

[Teneba]

There's nothing sick about getting rid of one of the worst world criminals known to mankind. Besides, I never said that 1 man is holding the entire middle east hostage; just that terrorism is a bigger problem there than it is here, and they probably welcome his death just as much, if not more than any American who lost family members to his planned attacks. Even if he is just a figurehead, he was a huge inspiration to many jihad leaders and it will definitely be demoralizing to them.

Also, you saying that it's better he be alive is naive. I like the analogy about Hitler.

 

[Roose Hurro]

Re: Obama Bin Laden is Dead

"Osama Bin Laden is Dead."

About time...

 

[JadeFire]

Huh. The day we've finally killed bin Laden and people are already ranting passionately about it.

And we wonder why we can't have nice things.

 

[Wolf-Bone]

No.
We do not dehumanize. When people demonize and dehumanize each other it ends in more bloodshed. Everyone is a person, everyone has basic human rights. It is childish to pretend that he is a monster in order to defend our sick glorification of his death.

It's true. It's like when there's that rare biopic or book that tries to represent the real Hitler, with all the sensationalism removed, and people in the media express concern because someone wants to show him "as if he were actually human". Hate to break it to you, but he was, and that's what people don't want to wrestle with. The same person who would go on to almost single-handedly instigate WWII and who was directly responsible for the holocaust started out as a slightly above average artist with some slightly out in left field political theories and a milder antisemitism than what a lot of "normal" people harbor. It's not easy to think a lot of furries on this very site could essentially be Hitler if circumstances were just a little different, or that by that same token, Hitler could be that quirky guy you talk to on the internet and view their art. Tough shit. Life's complicated.

 

[Zaraphayx]

Deo, the next few days are gonna be hell for you because people will be celebrating.

Face it, this is a very evil dude we're talking about, he killed thousands of people on our soil which dragged us into this war, and is responsible for many other deaths in other countries. He's a religious extremist, and influenced many innocent people to follow him. Saying that Osama shouldn't be dead is about the equivalent of saying that Hitler shouldn't be dead.

He deserves to die, he seriously fucking does, there's no arguing that at all.

Hitler: Oversaw the deaths of several million people, conquered Europe under a totalitarian regime.

Osama: Oversaw the deaths of several thousand people and hid in caves for a decade.

Will people stop equating EVERYONE who did something bad with Hitler, it's getting kind of old.