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Oslo Explosion & Utøya Shooting

Attaman

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I know relatively little, Lizzie, except for that I know little, and that the past has a tendency to repeat itself.
I just find it interesting the situation in which it's being looked at. Similar to the "Why did you only look for Obama's birth certificate", "Why did you only think the White Christian Far-Right Nutjob's information might be falsified / a plant?" I can bet you dollars to donuts that if you replace one of those four criteria in the latter, people wouldn't be doubting this for a minute or calling for people to wait and see.

In related news about Anders, "He has said that he believed the actions were atrocious, but that in his head they were necessary,".
 

Commiecomrade

Maximum Awesome.
I cannot even fathom what the experience would be to be young and witness such an atrocity at a summer camp.
 

San-Ryuuk

Just another smiling face
God, this is just....
Killing and/or torturing innocents IN MY MIND is about the most disgusting thing a person can do.
And CHILDREN nonetheless... All I can say is that I hope this man suffers greatly for what he has done.
 
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Rukh_Whitefang

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We know. What's your point?
My point was so that people don't try and make a leap of right wing (Republicans) And a right wing nationalist/fascist from Europe are the same thing. The guy was a neo-Nazi extremist. That right there says it all.

I just find it interesting the situation in which it's being looked at. Similar to the "Why did you only look for Obama's birth certificate", "Why did you only think the White Christian Far-Right Nutjob's information might be falsified / a plant?" I can bet you dollars to donuts that if you replace one of those four criteria in the latter, people wouldn't be doubting this for a minute or calling for people to wait and see.

In related news about Anders, "He has said that he believed the actions were atrocious, but that in his head they were necessary,".

A Norwegian right-wing fanatic who killed at least 92 people believes his acts were atrocious but necessary, his lawyer said, as the nation mourned victims of its worst attacks since World War Two.

What a crappy job to get as a defense lawyer.

A video posted on the YouTube website showed several pictures of Breivik, including one of him in a scuba diving outfit pointing an automatic weapon.
"Before we can start our crusade we must do our duty by decimating cultural marxism," said a caption under the video called "Knights Templar 2083" on the YouTube website, which took down the video on Saturday

So, killing young kids who were not even of voting age is legitimized how? Yeah...
 

Bliss

Member
My point was so that people don't try and make a leap of right wing (Republicans) And a right wing nationalist/fascist from Europe are the same thing. The guy was a neo-Nazi extremist. That right there says it all.
A neo-Nazi extremist is the same everywhere. In the first place, European right-wing doesn't mean 'Christian neo-Nazi fascist' any more than Republican does.
 

Mayfurr

Mostly Harmless
A neo-Nazi extremist is the same everywhere. In the first place, European right-wing doesn't mean 'Christian neo-Nazi fascist' any more than Republican does.

True. On the other hand, the US Democrat party are considered centre-right in terms of European and Australasian politics, which puts the US Republicans further right than that...

... so if conservative Americans think Democrats are "socialist", they'd no doubt be pissing their pants when confronted with something as mainstream as the centre-left British Labour Party :)
 
Yet another instance of right wing/conservative terrorism, plotted out for a long time to make "those liberals" pay. Norway was all set to recognize Palestine at the UN in a few months, and that's the sort of "islam tolerance" these nuts hate.

I think someone else in the previous thread said his real target was this labour-sponsored summer camp, and on one level I'm sure he was hoping that the first reaction everyone would have to a car bomb leveling a block was "IT WAS THE MUSLIMS, THE NATIONALISTS WERE RIGHT," a white nationalist false flag if he didn't make it to the island for his spree. Someone linked me to the batshit insane Alex Jones Prison Planet article that came out as soon as it was found to be a white nationalist dude. It emphasized words like "lone wolf," "isolated incident" and played up how rare terrorist attacks are- even though they do and say the opposite whenever Islam is involved.

Yet another "isolated incident" to add to the pile, while the right wing gets horribly offended when reports come out declaring them as the most likely terrorists. They vent their frustration with violence because these simplistic people believe force is the only thing people understand.

Well don't you just have a political hard on bobby!
 

ramsay_baggins

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True. On the other hand, the US Democrat party are considered centre-right in terms of European and Australasian politics, which puts the US Republicans further right than that...

... so if conservative Americans think Democrats are "socialist", they'd no doubt be pissing their pants when confronted with something as mainstream as the centre-left British Labour Party :)

This always got to me. When Labour here are considered pretty much a centre party, yet they're more left than the Democrats and people are crying bloody murder that the Dems are socialist... well, we have left parties and we're hardly 'socialist'.
When I first learned just how far right the American political system really was, it shocked me.

However, this shooter was on a whole other level. Holy crusade? *Sigh* Absolute headcase.
 
When I herd the TV say it was a christian extremest who murdered all those people I was just sat there thinking "fucking TYPICAL".
 
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CAThulu

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How so? I don't recall a surge a "Christian extremists" across Europe to make it a common occurrence to be "typical"

I don't think we would over here in north america...not unless you make a habit of reading papers from Europe. Apparently there's talk that the Far Right is a growing trend across Europe, which in some areas include Christian Extremists.

My main concern is that, as tragic as this is, the attack will be so over-covered that it's going to add to east/ west tensions. But instead of having the US involved like last time, it'll be Europe, and that includes a lot of countries.
 
I don't think we would over here in north america...not unless you make a habit of reading papers from Europe. Apparently there's talk that the Far Right is a growing trend across Europe, which in some areas include Christian Extremists.

My main concern is that, as tragic as this is, the attack will be so over-covered that it's going to add to east/ west tensions. But instead of having the US involved like last time, it'll be Europe, and that includes a lot of countries.

If so, this is only hand in hand with the increasing tensions with Islamic immigration. There has been tensions across Europe with increased immigration due to failure to integrate into European society. Sweden has been have some major issues and many including violence from Islamic/Arabic populations and less publicized Germany, France, Spain.

I recall the marinet ban (because it was seen as a sign of political power tied to religious buildings), and burqa ban. (symbol of oppression of wemon) which led to outrage/protest/burning cars. So i can imagine WHY there would be a rise in Right/Christian extremism. Action/reaction etc.

Honestly though. Prior to the 9/11 attacks. No one gave as much emphasis to an attackers religion until now.

The bomb went off and everybody had already believed it was Islamic based terrorism.
It turns out to be a white guy, and everyone on the left is more than happy to scream and point fingers "See! now those Tea partiers will finally see Terrorism isn't just committed by sand people!" <-which im still confused what the "Tea party" has anything to do with Norway and Oslo.
Equating the attacks, or suggesting these attacks are what is to be expected from a political party is only going to cause more hatred and devide.

As far as east-west. Turkey did a good job of alienating itself from the EU for a VERY LONG TIME thanks to its very vocal nutty Islamist's in gov't.

Serbia/Kosovo (Genocide argument/blame game) bullshit will never be resolved. It's as cancerous as the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
 

Bliss

Member
Sweden has been have some major issues and many including violence from Islamic/Arabic populations and less publicized Germany, France, Spain.
Makes me wonder why it wasn't in Sweden. Malmö especially has problems, though most of the immigrants aren't muslims but Eastern European.

So i can imagine WHY there would be a rise in Right/Christian extremism. Action/reaction etc.
Cool story, bro. Now let's shoot those darn liberal kids! :V

It turns out to be a white guy, and everyone on the left is more than happy to scream and point fingers "See! now those Tea party will finally see Terrorism isn't just committed by sand people!".
Well, it is ironic, isn't it?
 

ramsay_baggins

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Well, it is ironic, isn't it?

Also, he isn't be referred to as 'Christian' or a 'terrorist' in a lot of mainstream media. Apparently religion only counts if you're Muslim, and terrorists can only be people of colour.

Fuck that.
 
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Irreverent

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Furthermore, considering that "Neo-Nazi Right Wing" is pretty much the same regardless of where you are in the world (unless there's more definitions of Neo-Nazi than I'm aware of)...

And that's the irony. Nazi is the contraction of the National Socialist Party.....Nazis are socialist, state-ists and likely fascists too. Unless the right wing has suddenly been over run with pro-socialist agenda of cradle-to-grave health care, education and employment, you can usually count on the term "neo-nazi right wing" as just another leftist smear.

He was extremely vocal about fighting multiculturalism, government oppression, jihadists and Marxism. Sounds like your typical Glenn Beck audience to me.

Or just about every European populist government to-day.

I know that this post is going to get alot of flak, and alot of "Alex Jones would say this" replies, but seriously... I wouldn't put it past any politician to milk disasters as grave as this as much as possible (think George Bush and Guilliani after 9/11).

Indeed. One wonders how it is possible for the Norwegian internal counter-terrorist to have missed this guy. Surely he was on somebody's radar? Althought to be fair, I never ascribe to malice what can be explained by gross incompetence.
 

Cain

Guess what mood I'm in today.
Apparently, according to several internet posts this guy made, he's actually anti-muslim. :p
 

Attaman

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And that's the irony. Nazi is the contraction of the National Socialist Party.....Nazis are socialist, state-ists and likely fascists too. Unless the right wing has suddenly been over run with pro-socialist agenda of cradle-to-grave health care, education and employment, you can usually count on the term "neo-nazi right wing" as just another leftist smear.
Actually, Nazi is on the far right of the political spectrum, unless all my sociology and government classes from Middle School to College have been very, very shitty*. Fascism is the far right of the political spectrum, Communism meanwhile being the far left (or, as one of the classes said, Maoism being the furthest left).

Indeed. One wonders how it is possible for the Norwegian internal counter-terrorist to have missed this guy.
... For some reason, I don't feel as much disgust at people as I should for implying that the Labour Party / Internal Affairs purposely sacrificed 90+ people (at least 80 of them youths of the party) to smear their political opponents. Maybe I just haven't woke up fully yet.

*Note that I'm in the Maryland school system, so that isn't impossible.

And another article corroborates Anders saying he deemed it necessary. Oh, and if you believe the Manifesto at least slightly in events it said occurred, they would have to have been planning this for at least nine years.
 
The only thing i don't get in all of this seemingly master plan. Why would he attack his OWN kin, of the left leaning if everyone knows that would just bring more resentment to his cause, and further encourage against it? Seems like he did the very people he hates a favor.
 

Attaman

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Well now, isn't this interesting.
Article Title: "Anders Breivik is not Christian but anti-Islam",
Article Content: "The Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik, who shot dead more than 90 young socialists at their summer camp on Friday, after mounting a huge bomb attack on the centre of Oslo, has been described as a fundamentalist Christian. But he published enough of his thoughts on the internet to make it clear that even in his saner moments his ideology had nothing to do with Christianity, but was based on an atavistic horror of Muslims and a loathing of "Marxists", by which he meant anyone to the left of Genghis Khan."

Methinks the article doth lie in the title.

The only thing i don't get in all of this seemingly master plan. Why would he attack his OWN kin,
Why did the Oklahoma Bomber attack their own fellow citizens?

of the left leaning
... Please, please tell me I'm not reading this properly, and you aren't saying Anders was a Leftist Extremist.

if everyone knows that would just bring more resentment to his cause, and further encourage against it? Seems like he did the very people he hates a favor.
Look how much good will the Oklahoma Bomber brought to their cause. Mind, apparently, some "minor" support groups have shown up online, and the expected communities continued to gnash teeth and disregard information about him not being an Arab, or seem less confused about the attacks and more about why he didn't get more Muslim victims.
 

Irreverent

Member
Actually, Nazi is on the far right of the political spectrum, unless all my sociology and government classes from Middle School to College have been very, very shitty*. Fascism is the far right of the political spectrum, Communism meanwhile being the far left (or, as one of the classes said, Maoism being the furthest left).

Perhaps the contradiction comes from them being so far right...that they are left? Nazi's are socialists and nanny stateists...this is not a typical far-right belief system. I suspect your modern education is not so much shitty, as lazy. The use of fiat labels seems to be an easy way out rather than explaining complex political structures that share elements common to many dogmatic systems.

the Labour Party / Internal Affairs purposely sacrificed 90+ people (at least 80 of them youths of the party) to smear their political opponents

This may not be the case, it could just be basic incompetance on their part too. The coming inquiry into this atrocity will be revealing, especially if its a whitewash.
 
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