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MCtheBeardie

Queen of Laziness
In my harsh view furries wouldn't be so fragile if clowns like in this video weren't such ignorant assholes to a subject there not informed on. Like seriously i think he wen't to far saying that furries/bronies should only stay in there own hub all because of there porn choice is standard fantasy erotica not just 2 humans but humnoids instead. They say they hate censorship yet at the same time there doing that because they can't ignore a 18+ furry artists who clearly say go look elsewhere if you don't like that stuff, its pretty damn cringy at how insecure the west is when comes anything sexual when japan/most of Europe is like light years ahead on that aspect.


True, people like Hellbent, like you said, clearly don't know what they're talking about. These people just need to either do their research or stay out of it, truth be told. It's animals with human traits in most cases that are depicted pornographically, so I certainly don't think that's a bad thing, if done in a legal manner. But, I think that the furry community gets up in arms quite a bit concerning certain things, and I don't think outside assholes are always the ones to blame.

What do you mean by separation, here? Just curious, because IMO efforts to semi-permanently remove the "bad" furries from the spaces frequented by the "good" furries is the source of some of the most toxic drama the fandom has to offer, and in some cases removes any incentive to attempt to improve behavior.

I guess 'separation' wouldn't be the correct term to use... I'm thinking of it in terms of simply distancing ourselves from the more toxic side of the fandom. Not getting involved in the toxic drama, not acting like toxic furries, etc should be the way to go about it. Like I said before, if it doesn't concern you, let the drama run its course! If anything comes to you, just handle it in a mature manner, and it should blow over eventually. If it doesn't, well... then maybe leaving the community for a little while should suffice, until you come back to it when the hysteria dies down.
 
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fulffy512

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True, people like Hellbent, like you said, clearly don't know what they're talking about. These people just need to either do their research or stay out of it, truth be told. It's animals with human traits in most cases that are depicted pornographically, so I certainly don't think that's a bad thing, if done in a legal manner. But, I think that the furry community gets up in arms quite a bit concerning certain things, and I don't think outside assholes are always the ones to blame.

anthro's aren't even new or a furry thing since they show up in non-furry stuff all the time. He just you typical edgy gamer talking about stuff he can't bothered to informed with without being a prick about it, like you said its about animals in a human context. In that video him and few guests won't even think how stupid there how beastailty claim is?, on no i have a furry lady pin up suddenly I'm not fit for having pet's...like what???.

Pretty damn stupid when he threatened to quit YouTube 6 times because he got told to knock the edgy attitude. Also there proof him and his buds baited chris chan while saying how stupid the ones who troll him are.

There is drama but people like him love overreacting way past when the dust has settled and no one cares anymore. Talking about furry drama just him a non morally questionable way of going "Look at these immature freaks". He still brings up kero and that closed furry con...

But somehow he ignores how the gaming community(mostly the reddit one) is imploding over epic's new gaming store???.
 
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ZeroVoidTime

Guest
It's rather typical of Americans to rear the ugly heads of their puritanical forefathers when something rubs against their sensibilities, which in turn shuts down their ability to reason effectively.
Ouch not all Americans are like that and there are plenty of residents from other countries who are sexually conservative in nature not just Americans.
 

KimberVaile

Self congratulatory title goes here
It's definitely gotten way too politicized, that's for sure. Ironic too, because for all that moral superior finger wagging, we've not bothered to push out cub porn artists or practicing zoophiles in a serious way.

The zoosadists stuff was some of the most revolting shit I've seen in my time in the fandom, yet still, people will go to bat for Kero of all people.
 

Alison Savros

Deceased
Actually I'm pretty sure furries are just as viable as every other community. No one person is "better" or "more viable" than another, it'd be like to say that one person is not as important.
Also, I don't get why it's called the furry fandom and not just the furry community. We're a subculture, not a fandom. I don't remember watching a TV show or playing games in a franchise called Furry.
 

Apoc-Volkov

Mechanical Mind
Ouch not all Americans are like that and there are plenty of residents from other countries who are sexually conservative in nature not just Americans.
That may be so, but what goes on elsewhere is vastly overshadowed by the media coverage of these vocal minorities in the States, and the general population is complicit in letting these "Ugly Americans" sway public opinion.
 

fogwarrior487

New Member
That's sort of the drawback of the community touting itself as "open and accepting to all." It tends to attract people that have been cast out elsewhere for a reason.

Just my personal opinion, but I think the biggest problem in the fandom right now is the drama. A lot of what I've seen from "furry twitter" it seems like the angriest place on the entire internet. People get so worked up over the smallest things. You also got the witch hunts, the callouts, and all that jazz. Every time I see it a part of me wonders if I even want to consider myself "part of the fandom" and it's pretty much the biggest reason I avoid twitter like the plague.

And then there's the politics... I'm not even touching that :|


Hey now, I got my vaccinations >:/

Hello i just thought i'd make an account on this forum to get something off my chest that i have been feeling for a while about this fandom just so i dont feel like I'm the only one, and i have to say the furry fandom being "open and accepting for all" is a bull faced lie, just try being open about your conservative beliefs, or any belief in objective truth and morality, and you will be shunned without a second thought, meanwhile the actual sociopaths get a free cookie and a pat on the back for nothing at all beyond just being a "victim of society".

The blatant hypocrisy has to be the one thing that disgusts and frustrates me most about this fandom, out one end of their mouth they spew empty moral relativist platitudes of "whats right for me may not be true for you" but as soon as you begin to voice criticism or actually speak an opinion that goes against the narrative they have constructed in their head, they accuse you of "being disrespectful" and block/ban you without a second thought, regardless of the context, this is what got me banned on e621, FOR TELLING THE TRUTH.

If everything is relative to the individual like they say, on what fucking basis do they have to say I was being disrespectful? WHY THERE OWN SUBJECTIVE OPINION AND HURT FEE FEES OF COURSE, the admins on that site and similar sites are full of shit, they dont care about being open an accepting to all walks of life like they claim, they just dont want people criticizing them or their shady operations and instead want everyone to believe in the toxic lie that true evil doesn't exist in the world.

If they truly respected other peoples beliefs other than their own, than they should have let me say what I want without reprisal and debate me one on one if they object and back up their views with objective facts instead of ad hom attacks or empty canned platitudes, because equating an attack on your flawed beliefs as being an attack on you personally shows a weakness of character.
 

Vexovoid

Ave, true to Caesar!
Through the fog a warrior comes, with righteous fury directed at the dissolute. If only his anger hadn't come about via a rejection from such hallowed halls of degeneracy, for then i may have been able to greet him with a cry of amicus.
 
Hello i just thought i'd make an account on this forum to get something off my chest that i have been feeling for a while about this fandom just so i dont feel like I'm the only one, and i have to say the furry fandom being "open and accepting for all" is a bull faced lie, just try being open about your conservative beliefs, or any belief in objective truth and morality, and you will be shunned without a second thought, meanwhile the actual sociopaths get a free cookie and a pat on the back for nothing at all beyond just being a "victim of society".

The blatant hypocrisy has to be the one thing that disgusts and frustrates me most about this fandom, out one end of their mouth they spew empty moral relativist platitudes of "whats right for me may not be true for you" but as soon as you begin to voice criticism or actually speak an opinion that goes against the narrative they have constructed in their head, they accuse you of "being disrespectful" and block/ban you without a second thought, regardless of the context, this is what got me banned on e621, FOR TELLING THE TRUTH.

If everything is relative to the individual like they say, on what fucking basis do they have to say I was being disrespectful? WHY THERE OWN SUBJECTIVE OPINION AND HURT FEE FEES OF COURSE, the admins on that site and similar sites are full of shit, they dont care about being open an accepting to all walks of life like they claim, they just dont want people criticizing them or their shady operations and instead want everyone to believe in the toxic lie that true evil doesn't exist in the world.

If they truly respected other peoples beliefs other than their own, than they should have let me say what I want without reprisal and debate me one on one if they object and back up their views with objective facts instead of ad hom attacks or empty canned platitudes, because equating an attack on your flawed beliefs as being an attack on you personally shows a weakness of character.
Now I don't know what views you have. When it comes to political views many people on here are capable of having a reasonable discussion of course some will fucking explode if your views are on one of the extreme sides. as when it comes to moral values: people can usually accept some criticism but not if you portray yourself as morally superior and say that your views are objectively right. I Don't know how your reach out to people and I guess it is a bit beside the point. Among the American people in the fandom I have recognized that there are many people of a very young age that takes criticism very poorly and are not used to here about opinions that are out of the "ordinary". Others just get pissed because they don't want any drama and don't want to talk about any thing serious. It is important that we talk about stuff and you do damn well to give criticize people. Personally I don't care if you are a communist or even a neo-nazi. I know the world can be a dark place and I'm not going to pretend that it is all good. I keep my mouth shut about some of my views because I know if i where to utter those opinions I would get hunted.
 
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fulffy512

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Now I don't know what views you have. When it comes to political views many people on here are capable of having a reasonable discussion of course some will fucking explode if your views are on one of the extreme sides. as when it comes to moral values: people can usually accept some criticism but not if you portray yourself as morally superior and say that your views are objectively right. I Don't know how your reach out to people and I guess it is a bit beside the point. Among the American people in the fandom I have recognized that there are many people of a very young age that takes criticism very poorly and are not used to here about opinions that are out of the "ordinary". Others just get pissed because they don't want any drama and don't want to talk about any thing serious. It is important that we talk about stuff and you do damn well to give criticize people. Personally I don't care if you are a communist or even a neo-nazi. I know the world can be a dark place and I'm not going to pretend that it is all good. I keep my mouth shut about some of my views because I know if i where to utter those opinions I would get hunted.

Yes i noticed that allot with the US side of the fandom which irk's me, there very poor to anyone who has a wide set of views or opinions.

Like my view on Canine anthro's with no fur, tail & pointy ears on the sides of head. As my way of what a much more human like one would look like. Nope I'm bombarded by childish users who are fluffy anthro fanboy's or one who tried stupidly that neko, when neko's are true humans with tails, cat ears.

With no room for me to defend myself?. Not to mention /r/Furry_irl is very immature on sexuality to the point the "there are no straight furries" was banned!.
 
Yes i noticed that allot with the US side of the fandom which irk's me, there very poor to anyone who has a wide set of views or opinions.

Like my view on Canine anthro's with no fur, tail & pointy ears on the sides of head. As my way of what a much more human like one would look like. Nope I'm bombarded by childish users who are fluffy anthro fanboy's or one who tried stupidly that neko, when neko's are true humans with tails, cat ears.

With no room for me to defend myself?. Not to mention /r/Furry_irl is very immature on sexuality to the point the "there are no straight furries" was banned!.
I usually sick with the normal /r/Furry the mod team there are strict but fair and their discord server is pretty good as well. I feel like furaffinity forums is one of the better places to have reasonable discussions as many of the more active people here tend to be over the age of 18 and many here are as old as 30 and even 40. It's maybe due to the fact that this website is very old fashioned. The people on furaffinity also tend to be more devoted to the fandom than those you find elsewhere.
 
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fulffy512

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I usually sick with the normal /r/Furry the mod team there are strict but fair and their discord server is pretty good as well. I feel like furaffinity forums is one of the better places to have reasonable discussions as many of the more active people here tend to be over the age of 18 and many here are as old as 30 and even 40. It's maybe due to the fact that this website is very old fashioned. The people on furaffinity also tend to be more devoted to the fandom than those you find elsewhere.

True noticed that from hoping here to reddit, you can say discuss stuff without a immature teen having no clue butting in. The headphone sub i used was like that if you dared say anything slightly negative about the HD650 but you liked the ER4 more. Nope just same baseless rant how the ER4 can't sound good because of its driver tech's.

I noticed that /r/Furry dosen't have the same drama issues that meme sub has.
 
True noticed that from hoping here to reddit, you can say discuss stuff without a immature teen having no clue butting in. The headphone sub i used was like that if you dared say anything slightly negative about the HD650 but you liked the ER4 more. Nope just same baseless rant how the ER4 can't sound good because of its driver tech's.

I noticed that /r/Furry dosen't have the same drama issues that meme sub has.
/r/ Furry is pretty large and it is a very serious user base on there. The people on /r/Furry are pretty much just like your average reddit user, you know mature, good when it comes to discussion. feels like most people at reddit are pretty good at debate. /r/Furry don't care much for discussion and when trolls comes into the server the trolls get very reasonable responses and end up feeling dumb.
 
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fulffy512

Guest
/r/ Furry is pretty large and it is a very serious user base on there. The people on /r/Furry are pretty much just like your average reddit user, you know mature, good when it comes to discussion. feels like most people at reddit are pretty good at debate. /r/Furry don't care much for discussion and when trolls comes into the server the trolls get very reasonable responses and end up feeling dumb.

Yeah allot of troll's there don't last long since there called out and if on Reddit buried under heavy downvotes. Hence why few edit posts crying over there karma being in the minus making other laugh even harder.
 

Sam Akuchin Wamm

I'm a goat plushie
I'm a goat so i'm comfortable around goats but even though they're my own species I'm a horrible zoophile who finds humans sexy.

Now I know most animals shouldn't mate interspecies because of catching diseases but takir and human races grew up together so they don't actually have that problem like with other combinations.

What i mean by that is that the problem existed but the obvious happened and most of them got wiped out until those that had immunity survived and went on to become the people of today.

So i don't think it's wrong for me to have bestial relationships with humans even though it's frowned upon. Personally i think it would be a great way to breach the social boundary.

As for pedophilia, that really confuses me. Humans seem to like things way too young in general. It's really disturbing.

Frankly what you call normal looks like pedophilia to me. You're kinda disgusting.

But don't worry, I think you're sexy anyway. Even with your deformed feet.
 

MaelstromEyre

Slippery When Wet
It has its issues.
Some are external - the things furries do that may attract negative attention from the public. Most of it involves some of the fetishes that make people think we're all pedophiles or into animal-suit beastiality kink or something. They do create a bad image, and I guess some could say it doesn't matter what non-furries think of us. . .but sometimes it does. Because I know first-hand that the bad reputation can drive away people who might have had interest.
Then there are the internal issues. The "toxic" furries who only seem interested in stirring drama and causing problems, stealing other people's art or characters, cheating in roleplay, just being an art-pest in general, and (IMO, some of the worst) acting like a damn nuisance but then claiming some mental disorder as their excuse for crappy behavior.
They may not get noticed by people outside the fandom, but those "toxic" furries can make a mess for other people in the fandom. And though the fandom is generally pretty open and accepting, there needs to be an understanding that there is a difference between "playing out a fantasy" between consenting adults, and actually violating another person who did NOT give consent.
And there are niches of NSFW art that seems to glorify and promote the idea of taking someone by force. Again, if that's just a fantasy, fine. But there are also just enough creeps in the fandom who still don't understand that "no" actually DOES mean "no."
 

Bullslayer

Member
every fandom has its dark side, even treckies and star wars fandoms, anytime theres a large following of people theres always going to be a few... interesting.... types to go along with it. The problem is fear, people fear things they consider taboo or dont understand, up until the early 2000s the furry fandom was under the radar, it was new and few knew it existed, one dumbass CSI episode later and suddenly its the worst thing since sliced bread (course there where probably a few other shows and media that helped but most part it was CSI). Its for this reason i hid for so long, but after already making friends with other furries in steam games i play i feel bad about it. Like legit feel like i have to make up for it somehow. I keep seeing people say we all are nothing but assholes and cringy weirdos but honestly i dont see it... i mean yeah i've found some art out there id rather forget.... (poor crystal)....but its no more than any other fandom so i dont get why people still persist on reffuring to furries in a bad way. Most are just artists and people who support the artwork. Only thing i could ever ask is of those few special furries to keep the odd stuff out of the public eye, it hurts the fandoms public image and in turn other furries.

Edit: any artwork suggestive of sexual or violent intent towards children i would deem never ok but thats a personal opinion based on my own morals.
 
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FluffyShutterbug

The Fox Is Back In Town!
This isn't related to anything that was previously said, but can somebody PLEASE explain why I occasion hear people angrily denounce the fandom as "toxic" when based on my experience, I've found it to be the exact opposite of "toxic"?
 
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Nyro46

Guest
This isn't related to anything that was previously said, but can somebody PLEASE explain why I occasion hear people angrily denounce the fandom as "toxic" when based on my experience, I've found it to be the exact opposite of "toxic"?
Honestly I think people just really like to throw the word "toxic" around, I don't know but I've seen it popping up excessively as of late. Though they are probably just referring to drama or kink things because a lot of people outside of the fandom seem to think that anything sexual in nature is inherently "bad".
Pretty much any fandom can be "toxic" depending on which people you associate yourself with.
 

FluffyShutterbug

The Fox Is Back In Town!
Honestly I think people just really like to throw the word "toxic" around, I don't know but I've seen it popping up excessively as of late. Though they are probably just referring to drama or kink things because a lot of people outside of the fandom seem to think that anything sexual in nature is inherently "bad".
Pretty much any fandom can be "toxic" depending on which people you associate yourself with.
You've seen it pop up excessively? I've only seen it occasionally....
 

Kit H. Ruppell

Exterminieren! Exterminieren!
You've seen it pop up excessively? I've only seen it occasionally....
It's this generation's slang for anything they don't like, without having to define specifically what it is they disapprove of.
 

Bullslayer

Member
There are a few furries out there that arent really nice. They go out of their way to get haters banned from social platforms, attack furries they think are posers.... Stuff like that makes people think we are a toxic community.
 

dragon-in-sight

mane diva
I don't see any problem that I would associate with the fandom in general. Today most people have some kind of cringe factor to them. The only difference is how open they are with there darker sides. I for myself have no problem with people who go against sexual customs unless they don't molest other people with it. That's still better then those biggots who preach moral purity and abuse children in church. The cringy pervert is at least honest. And you know were you stand with him.
 

Bullslayer

Member
Yah i was taught not to judge others for their personal lifes. And i'd be lying if i said i didnt appreciate the more adult art...alot is very good from an artist standpoint and artists have been drawing / sculpting naked people for melenia. Maybe its the fact the characters arent human idk.

Things i wont ever condone is anything relating to sexualizing or abusing children....

As far as the yiffers go im not into that and would appreciate it if they kept that stuff out of view of the public.
 

Fallowfox

Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
This isn't related to anything that was previously said, but can somebody PLEASE explain why I occasion hear people angrily denounce the fandom as "toxic" when based on my experience, I've found it to be the exact opposite of "toxic"?

I think the furry fandom is a 'broad-church' and that there is a great variety of personalities and attitudes in it.

Some of these attitudes definitely are toxic; one need look no further than the behaviour exhibited by individuals such as 'Foxler' or 'Kothorix', for example.
Foxler Nightfire - WikiFur, the furry encyclopedia
Having socialised in the furry fandom for something like 7 years, I can call to memory several instances in which I discovered that people I had considered friends revealed themselves to be white supremacists or animal abusers; I've never come across that in any other social circle.

I think that people outside of the furry fandom can see that individuals like that exist in the furry fandom, and that they may understandably be revolted by that; they might think that we're all like that, or believe that we quietly tolerate these things in our community.

By contrast there are lots of other people in the furry fandom (the great majority) who are understanding, kind and caring; and we can create environments where toxic behaviour is excluded and creativity celebrated.
 
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