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Overrated and Underrated Opinions

While I don't fully disagree, except aesthetic is there for a purpose and an important part of the theme of the particular music, I translated the rest into, "hipsters who play blackgaze and/or post-black metal, and don't represent anything actually to do with black metal, in musical origin/roots, or style". Out of the ones I've heard who still wear their corpsepaint, still retain their vision and creative work as opposed to ones who cleaned up their sound too much as well as their faces to where they've practically changed their genre of music into something more reminiscent of run of the mill "modern melodic metal".
I wouldn't say the aesthetic is really an important part of the music anymore. It's just visual shorthand for the style, and a rather shallow one at that. The stuff from the 90s (ignoring the music from the so called first wave of black metal) was about a rejection of the over produced death metal scene, the notion of what a song should be, and even what we might call the trappings of western civilization if we go into the abstract. It actually stood for something. Nowadays, far too often, i see people caught up in the "evil" aesthetic they associate with the music. Bog standard tremolo riffs with the same played out blast beats while some guy shouts about satan or some other low rent nonsense. Instead of creating new, interesting music (which i would consider blackgaze and/or post-black metal to be, even if i don't listen to it much. It's great to see people take the atmospheric dissonance associated with the best of the genre and take it to new places. You could do some amazing things by taking the trappings of the black metal sound and adding in some jazz theory, for instance). It's gotten to the point where the hacks that create the generic, soulless shit don't even pretend to take it seriously as an artform. Who needs to create anything interesting when you can play the same old shit and throw some "we're kvlt for the luls" drivel on top of it to excuse the mediocrity of the work you've produced?

Maybe i'm biased, as i know some people in the industry who are just...jokes. Playing for a paycheck and a cultivated reputation, but the "scene" seems to be in a pretty sorry state all things considered.
 

Hi-FiWolf95

Metal Misanthrope
I wouldn't say the aesthetic is really an important part of the music anymore. It's just visual shorthand for the style, and a rather shallow one at that. The stuff from the 90s (ignoring the music from the so called first wave of black metal) was about a rejection of the over produced death metal scene, the notion of what a song should be, and even what we might call the trappings of western civilization if we go into the abstract. It actually stood for something. Nowadays, far too often, i see people caught up in the "evil" aesthetic they associate with the music. Bog standard tremolo riffs with the same played out blast beats while some guy shouts about satan or some other low rent nonsense. Instead of creating new, interesting music (which i would consider blackgaze and/or post-black metal to be, even if i don't listen to it much. It's great to see people take the atmospheric dissonance associated with the best of the genre and take it to new places. You could do some amazing things by taking the trappings of the black metal sound and adding in some jazz theory, for instance). It's gotten to the point where the hacks that create the generic, soulless shit don't even pretend to take it seriously as an artform. Who needs to create anything interesting when you can play the same old shit and throw some "we're kvlt for the luls" drivel on top of it to excuse the mediocrity of the work you've produced?

Maybe i'm biased, as i know some people in the industry who are just...jokes. Playing for a paycheck and a cultivated reputation, but the "scene" seems to be in a pretty sorry state all things considered.
Music to me, in various genres, metaphorical or not, is having a sort of spirit to it, and part of black metal is the scene that it originated from, especially during the 2nd wave, same with heavy metal in general, there's that darkness element that feels so washed down with a lot of newer bands, and they try so many new things to the point of watering the sound down, whether it's the composition, songwriting, vocal style, image, community attraction, and spirit (if you will) associated with the genre. It's like how a lot of metalcore and melodeath bands took a heavy genre and made their band names a whole sentence long and started writing boyband type lyrics, and that type of "rebellion" doesn't sit well with how the music was intended, or has this tainted image of what metal is supposed to be about, and the rebellion is more along the lines of teen angst as opposed to true spiritual essence and philosophical-type rebellion handed down from the original bands and the way they played that was synergistic with their philosophies and image. The same can be said with hardcore punk and how post-hardcore is sort of the tainted version of that, played by people who seem to not know anything about what hardcore is. It's a strong opinionated argument, sure, but I honestly do not like bands who are just "in a genre" playing for the wrong (heavily commercialized) audience, not keeping true to the genre origins, if not musically, but lyrically, philosophically, etc, and just "in name only" essentially. I feel the same about country music, even if I listen to a little bit of it.
 

ASTA

Unban ODD or Riot
Overrated: brand-new cars purchased on credit.

I had to visit a Honda dealer the other day to grab an order from their parts department for my job and I was endlessly hounded by some of the cleanest, elegant, and polite people to have ever graced this planet. The facility was spotless, everything was white and shiny, and everything smelled pleasant.

I ran out of that joint (everything there felt "fake") with the part and sped off of the parking lot like a banshee. All the while I was there, I kept thinking to myself, "Wow, this is where people's financial futures go to die".

I basically ruined the idea of auto financing/new cars for myself after I learned how interest worked, how much gold there is in the used car scene, how cars depreciate like rocks over their lifespan, and how a little car repair knowledge could save me thousands of dollars over the years. Now it's impossible for me to see a new car without immediately registering it as a depreciating asset that's fixed to a 550+ dollar/month car note.

Underrated: the federally-backed student loan is one of the most shockingly insidious personal loans in contemporary existence. They are a socially-sanctioned predatory loan that is on the same level of scumbaggery as a title-backed cash loan, payday loan, tax refund loan, or an in-house financing auto loan (particularly those that are processed through those INCREDIBLY crooked small-scale car lots you see in poorer communities). Impervious to bankruptcy and possessing an APR higher than that seen on the average American mortgage of the last three years, they are primarily targeted at the most impressionable, poor, and financially-ignorant members of our society (teenage high school graduates) whose only actual tangible interactive experience with money consists mainly of getting a weekly allowance from their parents or receiving cash gifts from their generous grandparents on specific holidays.

If you are an academic advisor/career counselor/general counselor at a high school and you regularly promote the idea of higher education to your students without informing them of the huge financial risks associated with such an action, you are scum.

Period.
 

Lucyfur

United forever in friendship and labour
Banned
Overrated? Clint Eastwood’s acting

underrated? Tilda Swinton’s acting
 

oappo

Well-Known Member
Overrated: "Play for loot/reward" mentality in games
Underrated: "Play because I enjoy this activity" mentality in games

Especially applies to MMOs. It's so tiresome how almost every MMO is just some gear treadmill. I think there's definitely more potential in them if they broke away from this concept (and players let them). Don't get me wrong, I know some people enjoy gaining new gear and all, but it's taken way too far a lot of the time.
 

the sleepiest kitty

(◡‿◡✿) ꪑꫀꪮ᭙
Overrated: hit singles.

Underrated: the other, less popular songs on a music album.
 

Kumali

Lupine-American
Overrated: The Chieftains once they started recording with every pop, country and rock star under the sun to sell more records.

Underrated: The Chieftains up until about 1981 or so.
 
Music to me, in various genres, metaphorical or not, is having a sort of spirit to it, and part of black metal is the scene that it originated from, especially during the 2nd wave, same with heavy metal in general, there's that darkness element that feels so washed down with a lot of newer bands, and they try so many new things to the point of watering the sound down, whether it's the composition, songwriting, vocal style, image, community attraction, and spirit (if you will) associated with the genre. It's like how a lot of metalcore and melodeath bands took a heavy genre and made their band names a whole sentence long and started writing boyband type lyrics, and that type of "rebellion" doesn't sit well with how the music was intended, or has this tainted image of what metal is supposed to be about, and the rebellion is more along the lines of teen angst as opposed to true spiritual essence and philosophical-type rebellion handed down from the original bands and the way they played that was synergistic with their philosophies and image. The same can be said with hardcore punk and how post-hardcore is sort of the tainted version of that, played by people who seem to not know anything about what hardcore is. It's a strong opinionated argument, sure, but I honestly do not like bands who are just "in a genre" playing for the wrong (heavily commercialized) audience, not keeping true to the genre origins, if not musically, but lyrically, philosophically, etc, and just "in name only" essentially. I feel the same about country music, even if I listen to a little bit of it.
I wouldn't say bands that try new things water the sound down, it's part of a necessary evolution. Taking what came before and creating something new with it, the alternative is rehasing the same old tropes with little real understanding of what inspired them. Even if the new stuff is just expressing generic teen angst, if it's somewhat original it's fine. I don't think the original spirit of a genre can ever be recaptured, nor should you try to do so. Everything's a product of its time, and the experience and outlook of those original bands is theirs alone.
Overrated: Skyrim

Underrated: Dragon Age
Dragon age is bad and you should feel bad, all of Bioware's games have been awful. Skyrim is terrible though, no arguments there.
 

KimberVaile

Officially elected and actual ruler of FAF
I wouldn't say bands that try new things water the sound down, it's part of a necessary evolution. Taking what came before and creating something new with it, the alternative is rehasing the same old tropes with little real understanding of what inspired them. Even if the new stuff is just expressing generic teen angst, if it's somewhat original it's fine. I don't think the original spirit of a genre can ever be recaptured, nor should you try to do so. Everything's a product of its time, and the experience and outlook of those original bands is theirs alone.

Dragon age is bad and you should feel bad, all of Bioware's games have been awful. Skyrim is terrible though, no arguments there.
Hell, nah. Bioware was amazing in the 90s to late 2000s. Baldurs gate and NWN are greats
 

Hi-FiWolf95

Metal Misanthrope
I wouldn't say bands that try new things water the sound down, it's part of a necessary evolution. Taking what came before and creating something new with it, the alternative is rehasing the same old tropes with little real understanding of what inspired them. Even if the new stuff is just expressing generic teen angst, if it's somewhat original it's fine. I don't think the original spirit of a genre can ever be recaptured, nor should you try to do so. Everything's a product of its time, and the experience and outlook of those original bands is theirs alone.
I don't consider many new popular "heavy metal" bands as evolution, neither what passes off as modern hip-hop.
 
I don't consider many new popular "heavy metal" bands as evolution, neither what passes off as modern hip-hop.
I don't listen to the new popular stuff at all, it's all a commercial product designed for the "alt" market nowadays. As always the gems are buried underground.
Here's an example of something i'd consider as evolutionary, although some wouldn't even consider it metal:

When it comes to hip hop, what are we talking about. Drill? Mumble rap? The UK scene can be interesting, but if we're being strict the latest modern hip hop i'd rate is Earl Sweatshirt and Tyler's earlier stuff.
 
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