Political Ideologies

[CannonFodder]

I scored a cosmopolitan social democrat.

Personally I believe in this like raising the import tax ridiculously high to negate how it's cheaper to manufacture in china and such so as to bring back jobs to the country and trickle out theory, whereas on societal issues the government's job is to govern NOT play police to a bunch of people complaining about "oh noes society is in decline". The jobs aren't coming back to the usa cause it's cheaper to use slave labor I mean paying people a penny a hour in places that are practically prisons with "secure" monitoring and suicidal workers who would like nothing more than to chop off their own heads with a knife cause their working conditions are so horrible that all they want is to leave, even though they can't are forced to work "happy" workers who are "happy" to be working at such generous places provided to them. If you were to increase the import tax to negate the cheaper costs of manufacturing in such countries then the jobs would come back cause then it would be cheaper here.

 

[TheMetalVelocity]

Everyone's a democrat I suppose. Maybe they should add more options to the questions. Here's other political quizes to see if you score similar to those beliefs in the one that was given on the forum. If not, than they are probably not very accurate. They all have different questions.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2012/quiz/

http://www.isidewith.com/political-quiz

http://www.politopia.com/quiz

I like this one: http://www.pbs.org/arguing/quiz.html

This one looks good: http://www.americanprogress.org/iss...709/interactive-quiz-how-progressive-are-you/

 

[Inciatus]

Everyone's a democrat I suppose.

I think that is just saying that we all prefer a democratic system of government as opposed to a monarchy or dictatorship.

Results from the quizzes you put up:
1) Very Conservative overall (quite a bit past the tea partyers), at the very end of the right economic issues, moderate democrat social issues
2) Gary Johnson 97%, Mitt Romney 73%, Barrack Obama 1%
3) northwest
4) 81.8 Conservative, 9.1 Liberal, 9.1 Social
5) Very Conservative - 101/400

 

[Grimfang999]

Oh man, another Grimfang! I knew they existed, but I've never met another one before.

And I have no idea what to describe my views as, so I took that political test Aleu linked. It said I'm a social democratic cosmopolitan.

'Sup man. Sorry to be stealing your site title of the only grimfang. We should probably try and sort out how to differentiate between us in regards to nicknames/shortened names.

HOLY SHIT I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE REAL GRIMFANG D:

Ouch my pride. I've been known as grimfang999 for a good 8-10 years, maybe even a bit longer, I am pretty much a real grimfang :/

I'm all over the place. I recognise the damage uncontrolled capitalism can and does cause, but I also recognise big all powerful (they wish) governments are also disastrous for the public. Somehow we've managed to get both going, uber states helping the private sector plunder the population...

"Marketing of Plant Reproductive Material (PRM)" by the EU is a perfect example of that. A super government using its stolen authority to help a private entity like Monsanto gain a monopoly, which would help Monsanto dominate most of Europe regardless of what the public have to say about it! Thankfully mass public protest has hurt their plans, but its still bad and can go worse in revisions.

We do seem to be living in the worst of all worlds, with a out of control private sector and a bloated state serving its own ends. How then can I comfortably sit in any one ideology?

If I'm pro business I'm ignoring the damage and suffering they are causing, that tax rates are irrelevant if they don't pay any tax to begin with and that they seem to continuously get away with breaking the law. So the idea of further deregulating and de-taxing them seems absurd, even while I recognise taxes are choking this country (the none globalist companies who have no choice but to pay them).

But if I'm pro government I'm ignoring that the state is already so large that it's bankrupt, it's bigger than the private sector in this country which is unsustainable, the political class are crooked as we keep discovering and they really couldn't care less about the public they're supposed to be representing. In the UK the government is by and for the city, the rest of the country could rot for all they care. We're the only country in the EU standing up for the banks, we're the only country in the EU lobbying to legalise GMOs. The city owns our government and tells it what to do basically...

There is strong evidence for both sides criticisms of the other side... What's one to do >.=.>

Although Im biased, I would personally say the government is the safer bet. At least you can vote for them. What needs to be done is the government needs a restart, it is too built up in a centuries long culture of elitest power, while have them providing the essencial services and counterbalancing the costs, and more democracy involved in the decision making process.

However, until that happens (if it will), I am along the same lines as you, the private sector is too dangerous and the public sector too useless.

I'm a republican. Not one of those crazy American republicans, but one of those European republican. Basically, my only strong, noteworthy political ideology is my anti-monarchist ideologies.... oh gee, I can be pretty damn anti-monarchist, but the whole debate is just a mind-numbing circle of inane repeated arguments which pretty much all boil down to MUH NATIONAL PRIDE and "they have no real power!" (I still don't get it, that's an argument in favor of their rule?? God fucking dammit all). I'm a Eurotrash so obligatory Eurolove~

Political parties in this country are all messed up, the 3 2 major parties are essentially the same damn thing, and the smaller parties are either ass-backwards and outright xeno/homophobic or impossible to take seriously, and they're all led by the kind of people you'd want to punch in the face just for breathing your air. I just vote for the local socialist party, voting for anyone else would get you lynched and hung in this town

I agree there that for the most part the monarchy is now quite pointless, only a group of celebraties now. However, there is one main reason as to why they still exist

For me, I dont care eiher way, but if I were to make an arguement which wasnt economic it would be to remove the monarchy due to what they represent, AKA imperialism and British supremacy, which in my eyes is bad because I believe nationalism is the killer of progress.

 

[Vukasin]

I don't really follow politics all that much but I think my beliefs would fall in between Socialist and Liberal.

 

[ADF]

Although Im biased, I would personally say the government is the safer bet. At least you can vote for them. What needs to be done is the government needs a restart, it is too built up in a centuries long culture of elitest power, while have them providing the essencial services and counterbalancing the costs, and more democracy involved in the decision making process.

However, until that happens (if it will), I am along the same lines as you, the private sector is too dangerous and the public sector too useless.

The public sector is more than useless, it's dangerous at times.

I think we're seeing something along those lines in the UK with all the councillors that UKIP got in recently, taking 25-26% (?) of the vote, which shocked the main three quite a bit. Regardless of individuals opinions on UKIP, they're pushed as the party compose of normal people with real jobs and that's connecting with people sick of the three party elitism. I think the Conservatives are making the same mistakes Labour did when they called anyone with immigration concerns racist, particularly with Gorden Brown's "bigoted women" incident. The Tories are calling UKIP loonies, clowns & closet racists. Which in effect is labelling all the disenfranchised Labour/Tory/LibDem voters loonies, clowns & closet racists; and insulting people isn't a very effective means of getting them to vote for you...

 

[Kosdu]

@ADF

If only we had a party like that in the U.S., that seems extremely racist but denies it... Oh wait...


Oh you, GOP.

Honestly I don't know anything of english politics or the UKIP in particular, but immigration concerns can be taken too far, though they are kinda neccessary. Funny how easy it is to run drugs in from Canada but so hard (easy but more complicated) it is to run them from Mexico. Guess which country people are racist against, though it does pose a much bigger threat?

 

[ADF]

@ADF

If only we had a party like that in the U.S., that seems extremely racist but denies it... Oh wait...


Oh you, GOP.

Honestly I don't know anything of english politics or the UKIP in particular, but immigration concerns can be taken too far, though they are kinda neccessary. Funny how easy it is to run drugs in from Canada but so hard (easy but more complicated) it is to run them from Mexico. Guess which country people are racist against, though it does pose a much bigger threat?

As someone pointed out on the radio on the day of the election results, it's idiotic to call a pro common wealth party racist...

If you're looking for xenophobes, look no further than the EU.

 

[Kosdu]

As someone pointed out on the radio on the day of the election results, it's idiotic to call a pro common wealth party racist...

If you're looking for xenophobes, look no further than the EU.

To an American, it as is if a different language is spoken.

Hopefully things get shaken in a good way there soon.

 

[ADF]

To an American, it as is if a different language is spoken.

Hopefully things get shaken in a good way there soon.

The EU has essentially built a wall around member states, restricting trade activities beyond the single market. In 2011 the UK was sent a bill for £20 million because it sourced garlic from China rather than within the European single market, a tariff designed to protect EU members farmers and punish anyone outside EU membership.

In fact member states are not allowed to negotiate trade deals outside of the European Union. We have to let a EU representative negotiate trade deals outside the single market on our behalf, and hope after they've considered the interests of all member states; that we still get a decent deal out of it. Tariffs and ridiculous regulations aimed at penalising countries outside the EU are just one example of the EU's disdain against the rest of the world. If it had its way it wouldn't deal with the rest of the world at all, restricting all activities to within its bubble of member states. It's only in recent years because of the Eurocrisis that some of these measures have been relaxed, in the hope of bringing more money in.

UKIP in contrast want the UK to free trade with India, Africa, Pakistan and other common wealth countries. Opening up the UK economy to the world, rather than imposing arbitrary restrictions like the EU mandates. Yet UKIP is xenophobic while the EU is the height of openness? Maybe to their member states, but they don't want to be friends with the rest of the world. Instead of the image of openness that the EU likes to portray, they're one of the most locked down and anti foreigner markets in the world. They see developing countries as a threat rather than a opportunity.

 

[Xolani]

I'm a member of the Green Party. Heh.

 

[ZerX]

at the next EU elections I will be voting for the federalist party. they have the right ideas for where europe/the EU should go in the future
http://federalistparty.eu

 

[Aetius]

Personally I believe in this like raising the import tax ridiculously high to negate how it's cheaper to manufacture in china and such so as to bring back jobs to the country and trickle out theory,

My Economics major wants to slap you >:V

Am I the only Capitalist here? ;~;

 

[PsychicOtter]

The vast majority of Americans are capitalists. Socialism, communism, etc. is very rare in America, especially when compared to the European countries.

 

[Ricky]

My Economics major wants to slap you >:V

Am I the only Capitalist here? ;~;

No, but you're also right.

We should implement CF's idea so every large business goes into solvency hell, spiraling into bankruptcy.

WHERE ARE YOUR JOBS NOW?!?!?!

 

[Grimfang999]

While I claim to be socialist/communist, I do have a reasonable understanding of economics (I think its a good amount but if you have a major my knowledge probably ales to yours). Its just I feel that unregulated capitalism is inherantly flawed, putting short term profit incentive over many massive problems such as energy over-consumption, poverty, use of wealth to manipulate governments, environmental destruction, and so forth. Granted not every company or CEO is like this, but the good ones are exceptions to the rule rather than a significant proportion.

Regulated capitalism could work, as long as the government has the balls to push for the minimisation of negative externatilities and exploitation, but the more involved the state gets in controling capitalism and economic growth it defeats the entire point of capitalism (To expand your company and eliminate competition), and leads to the problem that the CEOs will just take more money from the company for their own gain, or most of the money goes into the government, in which case they might as well be owned by the government.

 

[Ricky]

Saying "there are problems" doesn't show one system is better than the other.

I favor capitalism because it exploits a basic facet of human nature.

but the more involved the state gets in controling capitalism and economic growth it defeats the entire point of capitalism (To expand your company and eliminate competition)

That's exactly what we DON'T want, and where antitrust laws come into play.

We *do* have some amount of regulation that prevents this from happening.

Fuck, now even Mexico does.

 

[BigwiggingAround]

I think world leaders should just fuck each other instead of negotiating and make international leanings based on how their opponent is in bed. Makes perfect sense, ya'll.

 

[Machine]

I think world leaders should just fuck each other instead of negotiating and make international leanings based on how their opponent is in bed. Makes perfect sense, ya'll.

It'd be like a giant international lemonparty.

Ewwwww.

 

[BigwiggingAround]

It'd be like a giant international lemonparty.

Ewwwww.

Just in the beginning; there would soon be an incentive to vote for sexy candidates and avoid all the grossness.

 

[Machine]

Just in the beginning; there would soon be an incentive to vote for sexy candidates and avoid all the grossness.

It could be like a game show, and people could call in to vote for the sexiest candidate.

 

[Kosdu]

If the sex was chosen at random with no regards for gender it would make it so that only those devoted to helping people would run for president. I mean, no fat cat wants to be buttrammed (if he is straight).

Relevant:

https://www.google.com/search?q=us+...oAQ&biw=320&bih=416#biv=i|2;d|RhAk9UN9C5ArCM:

 

[ZerX]

Saying "there are problems" doesn't show one system is better than the other.

I favor capitalism because it exploits a basic facet of human nature.



That's exactly what we DON'T want, and where antitrust laws come into play.

We *do* have some amount of regulation that prevents this from happening.

Fuck, now even Mexico does.

regulations on wall street have failed as global recession that started in 2008 wouldn't have happened if smart ass bankers and investors wouldn't have been playing with high risk investments and fucking up at the end.

 

[CannonFodder]

My Economics major wants to slap you >:V

Am I the only Capitalist here? ;~;

Holy shitake mushrooms, you're a capitalist?

 

[Azure]

My Economics major wants to slap you >:V

Am I the only Capitalist here? ;~;

a degree in economics is like a degree is liberal arts. a pretty piece of paper that is thoroughly useless in application towards real life shit.