[POLL]Has the fandom changed in worse or in better over the years?
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Firuthi Dragovic
World Serpent, overly defensive
I didn't think I'd have to say this, but...
Frank?
If you want to actually undo some of the ills of society you're seeing, there are serious tactical advantages to not being public about political stances and problems. Knowing that there are serious risks to this statement (risks that I anticipate people here will endlessly run their mouths about when I spell it out)....
....have you taken any chance to find a like-minded group out there?
(I'm actually not ideal for said group given my short fuse BTW)
Frank?
If you want to actually undo some of the ills of society you're seeing, there are serious tactical advantages to not being public about political stances and problems. Knowing that there are serious risks to this statement (risks that I anticipate people here will endlessly run their mouths about when I spell it out)....
....have you taken any chance to find a like-minded group out there?
(I'm actually not ideal for said group given my short fuse BTW)
Frank Gulotta
Send us your floppy
Well apparently I'm "contaminating" people with my evil ideas of rejecting judgement of people based on their skin color, so hopefully this is or shortly will be a like-minded group right here.
Tbh I'm thrilled that it's suddenly considered a bad thing to frivolously compare people to some of the worst humans in history based on simple disagreements! weird it only happens now and the same people had fuckall to say when say, I and my friends were repeatedly at the receiving hand of it. But it's never too late!
fernshiine
Well-Known Member
I think the community has gotten worse in terms of people tending to only support "big creators" and because of cancel culture. In fact, cancel culture is so bad that I stepped off the internet for most of the year because I was scared of becoming noticed and having to deal with having to put on a facade to be seen as perfect in the public eye. It was a stupid fear riddled with anxiety but one many people face.
Back in the day blocking people was a thing and I wish people would do that instead again. Block + report would be nice, rather than expose + cause discourse over political views.
Political views are often what fuel discourse and cancel culture in the community. I hate it and I get hated on for choosing not to be a part of politics so there's no happy medium. People shove their ideals onto minors and then they, in turn, become overly political too. It's just a little much.
Back in the day blocking people was a thing and I wish people would do that instead again. Block + report would be nice, rather than expose + cause discourse over political views.
Political views are often what fuel discourse and cancel culture in the community. I hate it and I get hated on for choosing not to be a part of politics so there's no happy medium. People shove their ideals onto minors and then they, in turn, become overly political too. It's just a little much.
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Something to understand about these vociferous furry politicos is that they're miserable people
They're miserable about things, and they want YOU to be miserable too, because being miserable is SUPER IMPORTANT and they're lonely in their little sty full of shit, always checking over their shoulder for a knife coming from someone, always ready for a fight because they think if they get in enough fights on the internet that gaping void where their personality would normally be will be filled with a radiant light of righteousness and people will come admire them and they can finally feel GOOD about themselves
Attaman
"Welcome to FurAffinity Forums, gentlemen."
I'm vaguely curious about the Cancel Culture claims, but mostly because the most prominent examples I can think of in the last few months have been "Fursuit maker who pretended to be black so as they could make comics telling people to stop bothering racists", "Cuddly fox artist who had private chat leaks where they joked about wanting to put shock collars on black people", "Artist known for fetishized trans characters had potentially transmed comments", and "Nazi Con that couldn't even be assed to verify their venue before selling registrations", so either I've been better at filtering my intakes than I thought (only one of the four situations having any sort of ambiguity), I'm forgetting something big (Not impossible: My memory ranges from "Oddly specific and otherwise irrelevant details from twenty years ago" to "I nearly forgot the fourth example despite bringing it up a page ago"), or things have been unusually calm the last season or two (Also not impossible: Lots of people are finally getting out of their houses so that's lots of people who aren't going over people's histories with fine toothed combs).
Fallowfox
Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
Yes it is ironic. You would be the first person to cry foul if somebody made this comparison about you. You would bang your fists and throw a tantrum, and whine that it was unfair and irrational.
But 'Everybody who disagrees with me is like Hitler, everybody who disagrees with me supports the worst evils of mankind,' is the exact argument you just found yourself using.
It's precisely the kind of political dumb-shittery that people say they're fed up with here. You constantly bring these discussions up, and when you get told 'enough with the politics' it's about 5 seconds before you accuse people of being like the Nazis. :\
Frank Gulotta
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Yes, because it's been done repeatedly. People in position of power do it all the time. But the MOMENT I point out a specific strain of toxic ideology that's oozing everywhere, suddenly doing this is bad? Here you are calling me out for talking about this behavior even tho I'm not actually engaging in it... but you're fucking silent as the SAME PEOPLE everywhere do it all the time to people like me, while you pretend they don't.
What are you doing here even? asking me not to talk about this, comparing me to a disease, but you have NOTHING to say to the person who brought it up in the first place. Is it only bad when I do it somehow?
Fuck off hypocrite
Firuthi Dragovic
World Serpent, overly defensive
Fallow?
If there's anything I've learned from past experiences with this type of behavior, trauma or perceived forms of such will do this to people and cause them to get stuck in endless loops like we're seeing with Frank here.
In these types of situations, a lecture on character like you're doing DOES. NOT. WORK. You're reinforcing him. You're actually making this worse by trying to spell out his faults.
I saw this same type of locked-in trauma-induced behavior with SEVERAL of our previous members (that are now permabanned because they couldn't stop). Whether they're correct or not is ACTUALLY IRRELELVANT when they've gotten going.
Fallowfox
Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
It's just very depressing that efforts to remove angry politics from this site just result in the most angry members with the strongest political views behaving as if those rules apply to everybody else but not to themselves.
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"strangest" is a very interesting valuation coming from you tbh but that's not a subject for here
you've waded right into it before, and certain other members just INSIST on relighting the guttering flames, and honestly I don't think it's going to stop - but I think my popcorn's almost ready anyway
KimberVaile
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The historian in me is all to eager to point out how this thread's second wind ended up being a repeat of history. 
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I mean, why would anything change? Can you think of any reason why things would change?The historian in me is all to eager to point out how this thread's second wind ended up being a repeat of history.
Fallowfox
Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
Apologies if this is the wrong language. Perhaps 'esoteric' would be more neutral.
Topics that are designed to cause outrage, but which are ultimately of quite small consequence for day-to-day life.
KimberVaile
Well-Known Member
The thread got shut down last time, I assumed there would be a small chance people would simply leave the topic to be forgotten. I'd feel the thread was actually starting to go in a different direction for a time, though it quickly veered back to familiar territory. Not that I really blame anyone, I just expected this, in the back of my mind.
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People LOVE getting angry these days. It's a drug. They love making others angry so those other people snap back and make them even angrier. Righteous rage is a straight up fucking drug and it's one that's completely unregulated and arguably free. There are so many unmoored, aimless, unhappy people on the internet right now and so many ways to get angry that this entire fucking shitshow might as well be an 80's corporate party replete with 10 foot long rails of coke and bottles of Dom Perignon.
You TELL these people what's going on, and it's like telling Don Quixote to stop fucking tilting at the windmill because it's not really a giant and he's not really a knight of legend.
Why would people start learning from history NOW if they've failed to do so for... what, millennia? At some point one realizes that people are actually so fucking stupid and prideful (and one's self is no exception) that it's a bloody miracle we haven't managed to cause self-extinction 100 times over by now
I say again: PEOPLE ARE FUCKING MINDBLOWINGLY STUPID
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Fallowfox
Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
I think one of the ironies is that some of the most important things in life right now are topics people rarely get fiercely passionate about.
e.g. recycling or the amount of food we let go to waste. x3
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One of the best ways of dealing with political busybodies of any stripe is to do away with civility entirely. Twitter wouldn't be the problem that is if more people had the balls to tell the more self-righteous denizens of that website to piss off.
FAF can be handled in a similar fashion. Personally, I can't remember the last time I spammed a bunch of graphs or news article links during a typical FAF political spat. Typically I just stroll right on in, briefly assess the situation (it's usually a shitshow cooked up and kept on a low yet steady burn by the same boring windbags whose whole shtick revolves around pontificating on a bunch of social positions that regular people don't care about), spam one or two popcorn gifs, and usually lob a few insulting remarks at the usual suspects for good measure. The moment they plop down a giant paragraph of word-noise for me to read, I slap it with a laugh emote.
The most people these people can do is either ignore you (this is good), block you (this is better and funny, too), or join in on the shenanigans (this is the funniest outcome for me personally because a bunch of people taking the piss out of each other on a furry forum is actually kind of nostalgic in an era where everything is serious and sensitive). Reports don't work because I don't do or say anything too crazy (or it could be because Flamingo is either too apathetic or too distracted to really do anything).
Moral of this post is that getting bent out of shape over the political opinions of dysfunctional, irrelevant, impotent, and anonymous internet people is a gross waste of energy and time. It's a double waste of time and energy when the people you're dealing with have a laundry list of poorly-addressed mental illnesses, never truly reached adulthood, or suffer from a combination of the aforementioned two failings. The furry fandom hosts these types in spades which is why it is what it is today.
And it's never going to change.
And with people like that, there is no rational or productive discussion to be had. They're broken things. Nothing they say should be taken seriously (ESPECIALLY if it has anything to do with how a society should be structured and ran) until they get their shit together and get some experience outside of furry social spaces, universities, and/or the confines of their parents' home.
FAF can be handled in a similar fashion. Personally, I can't remember the last time I spammed a bunch of graphs or news article links during a typical FAF political spat. Typically I just stroll right on in, briefly assess the situation (it's usually a shitshow cooked up and kept on a low yet steady burn by the same boring windbags whose whole shtick revolves around pontificating on a bunch of social positions that regular people don't care about), spam one or two popcorn gifs, and usually lob a few insulting remarks at the usual suspects for good measure. The moment they plop down a giant paragraph of word-noise for me to read, I slap it with a laugh emote.
The most people these people can do is either ignore you (this is good), block you (this is better and funny, too), or join in on the shenanigans (this is the funniest outcome for me personally because a bunch of people taking the piss out of each other on a furry forum is actually kind of nostalgic in an era where everything is serious and sensitive). Reports don't work because I don't do or say anything too crazy (or it could be because Flamingo is either too apathetic or too distracted to really do anything).
Moral of this post is that getting bent out of shape over the political opinions of dysfunctional, irrelevant, impotent, and anonymous internet people is a gross waste of energy and time. It's a double waste of time and energy when the people you're dealing with have a laundry list of poorly-addressed mental illnesses, never truly reached adulthood, or suffer from a combination of the aforementioned two failings. The furry fandom hosts these types in spades which is why it is what it is today.
And it's never going to change.
And with people like that, there is no rational or productive discussion to be had. They're broken things. Nothing they say should be taken seriously (ESPECIALLY if it has anything to do with how a society should be structured and ran) until they get their shit together and get some experience outside of furry social spaces, universities, and/or the confines of their parents' home.
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Another little rejoinder (waste of time probably but hey): if you're a noisy politico and you really like to wave around signs and symbols of how politically aware you are, congratulations you're a simp who tries to buy an identity and a meaningful life from people who could not possibly care any less if you have either. Moron. Content people are hard to sell things to, but convince them to be angry and unhappy, offer to sell them solutions... pretty clever of them yeah?
Firuthi Dragovic
World Serpent, overly defensive
Still more time and effort wasted than a lot of these situations deserve, frankly.
I find it a little surprising that anyone can find the energy to try to mess with people having arguments of this type, and especially find the initiative to be... particularly manipulative about screwing with people.
I'll admit I'd probably pull an ignore/block if hit with the behavior you're describing. I already know I'm one of the serious/sensitive types, and there's a reason I've increasingly learned to pick my battles far more carefully than the kind of people you're discussing here. Admittedly this thread was a bit of a slip-up, but my fuse only goes so far.
I'd advise against calling our dominant mod out by name though. That'll put an end to the "festivities" really quickly.
Tragically, this is far too accurate, and this is the piece I actually liked about what you said.
Unfortunately, a worrying number of these people don't seem to understand the entirety of what they're ranting about, or that their methods have a tendency to backfire SPECTACULARLY. I've gone over this quite a few times in the past and it bears repeating pretty much every time.
....though can we add "neurological" instead of just mental illnesses? The body can misinform the mind if enough bad things pile up in a person's life.
MattsyKun
Kitsune Merchant
Both? But leaning towards worse.
Small artists have a HELL of a time getting noticed these days. Social media platforms don't want you making money; they want users to look at ads and be on their site for as long as possible, and if you aren't helping them with that, they'll nerf you. I've found it SO hard to get my name and my business out there because I spend a lot of time trying to draw and get stuff made, but I'm not able to post every day like Instagram wants, and if you breathe at your Twitter post wrong they deboost you. It can feel like there's no good way to promote yourself anymore sometimes, because it feels like shouting into a void.
On the bright side, we're becoming more outspoken about racism, sexism, and abuse. On the not-bright side, people (notably minors, but not exclusively, ofc) keep trying to change the definitions of things in order to cancel people, meaning actual terrible abusers might slip under the radar. In addition, this squashes any sort of conversation about things. Especially with Twitter, everything has become black and white, good or bad, no exceptions allowed. (my local Telegram group recently had a discussion that was calm and rational, nothing like similar "discussions" on Twitter). People have become afraid to speak up for fear of having their business ruined or being canceled.
On the brightest side, though, there's a lot more resources and tutorials for doing anything furry. I actively remember the few years between merch-making being for the big companies, and small artists making their own merch, and that transformation is AWESOME. There's fursuit tutorials for damn near anything.
Small artists have a HELL of a time getting noticed these days. Social media platforms don't want you making money; they want users to look at ads and be on their site for as long as possible, and if you aren't helping them with that, they'll nerf you. I've found it SO hard to get my name and my business out there because I spend a lot of time trying to draw and get stuff made, but I'm not able to post every day like Instagram wants, and if you breathe at your Twitter post wrong they deboost you. It can feel like there's no good way to promote yourself anymore sometimes, because it feels like shouting into a void.
On the bright side, we're becoming more outspoken about racism, sexism, and abuse. On the not-bright side, people (notably minors, but not exclusively, ofc) keep trying to change the definitions of things in order to cancel people, meaning actual terrible abusers might slip under the radar. In addition, this squashes any sort of conversation about things. Especially with Twitter, everything has become black and white, good or bad, no exceptions allowed. (my local Telegram group recently had a discussion that was calm and rational, nothing like similar "discussions" on Twitter). People have become afraid to speak up for fear of having their business ruined or being canceled.
On the brightest side, though, there's a lot more resources and tutorials for doing anything furry. I actively remember the few years between merch-making being for the big companies, and small artists making their own merch, and that transformation is AWESOME. There's fursuit tutorials for damn near anything.
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Something about "you get what you fucking deserve" goes here tbh
Rimna
Well-known Monkey
I'd worship a fox femboi any day
Wowza talk about a farmer who harvested his crop before it was ready to pop.
Frank you talk on CRT as if you only got your information about CRT from red talking heads in America. Which is to say is made up and sensationalized to create fervor and outrage.
You yell about biting into a half baked cake because its mush and batter but you didnt even go to the right bakery.