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Cannabiskitty

To Kill the Child; to Set the Adult Free
Animal Crossing is amazing.

Nintendo Switch is the best console.

O.K. Computer is the best album by Radiohead.

Dr. Suess is a genius.

Shakespeare is a genius.

Asa Akira is a porn star.

Adventure Time is very good, but flawed near the end of the series.

Castlevania is the best Nintendo game.

Ghosts and Goblins is way too hard, but also a good game.

Donald Trump sucks.

The Bushes suck.

Obama's awesome.

JFK prevented the apocalypse.

Hennessey is delicious.

Satoshi Kon > Hayao Miyizaki

Marvel > DC

Batman is the hero we need, just not the one we deserve.

Spider Man is awesome.

Jurassic Park is awesome.

Super Mario 64 was awesome.

Fallout 76 isn't awesome.

MBDTF is the best album by Kanye West.

Now is the time to start agreeing about shit we used to fight over.
 

Keita Lemur

A lot funnier than I look
OK Computer is tied with The Bends imo

I miss Obama, so so so so so very much

Starfox Adventures on game cube is the best one
 

Cannabiskitty

To Kill the Child; to Set the Adult Free
OK Computer is tied with The Bends imo

I miss Obama, so so so so so very much

Starfox Adventures on game cube is the best one

Is Starfox Adventures really that good? I was always under the impression that Starfox 64 was the most consistent and well liked game as well as one of the most acclaimed video games of all time.
 

Keita Lemur

A lot funnier than I look
Is Starfox Adventures really that good? I was always under the impression that Starfox 64 was the most consistent and well liked game as well as one of the most acclaimed video games of all time.

That game, Super Mario World, Mariokart and the original Tetris are like the only video games Ive ever played, haha. I guess people that like the Starfox games dont like Adventure since its all walking around adventure platform game instead of flying and shooting so I wanted to see what everyone was gonna say. I do really like it though because its easy and Im terrible at video games and the scenery in it is really cool.
 

Guifrog

Blue Frog | Avatar by Lenago
This is delicious

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CrookedCroc

Guest
Avatar: The last air bender is better than Legend of Korra
 
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David Drake

Representative of Naboo
"Beauty and the Beast" is arguably the best film in the Disney Animated Canon by what limited objective perameters one can give to art. On a technical level, it is of tbe highest quality. Narratively, everything fits together nearly perfectly, and the characters show a surprising amount of nuance, especially the leads.

The live action remake was extremely misguided in that it tried to solve "problems" with the original that were never really problems to begin with (usually put forth by internet "humorists" who don't really remember that film properly) and inadvertently created real problems in the process such as narrative and character inconsistencies.
 

Jane Hollywood

The Fabulous Moolah
Banned
"Beauty and the Beast" is arguably the best film in the Disney Animated Canon by what limited objective perameters one can give to art. On a technical level, it is of tbe highest quality. Narratively, everything fits together nearly perfectly, and the characters show a surprising amount of nuance, especially the leads.

The live action remake was extremely misguided in that it tried to solve "problems" with the original that were never really problems to begin with (usually put forth by internet "humorists" who don't really remember that film properly) and inadvertently created real problems in the process such as narrative and character inconsistencies.

I believe that requires more explaination as to why it is the best Disney film. First of all, thats a bold claim because of the sheer volume of quality work there is. For one, I do not think it is the same technical quality as say.. The Princess and the Frog. I would agree that some of the characters in BatB show some nuance, but not all of them. That's honestly not their strong point, nit usually. I'm trying to think of characters in BatB that really impressed me.. and I can't think if any. Belle? Not really, she doesn't want to marry Gaston, doesn't want Maurice to go to the asylum, and she's a quote unquote good person who just happens to like everyone. The Beast? Sort of. He doesn't like Belle but then after he figures it Belle can save him he does. Also he has a surprising amount what indentured slaves, which is weird since they appear to be suffering from some kind of stockholm syndrome. Gaston? No. He's evil. He hates Maurice, he wants to Marry Belle, and he's a bad guy. I sort of liked Maurice but I wouldn't exactly say that he is a very nuanced character either. I just find it very hard to find nuanced characters in an animated Disney film as I just don't think that is their strong point. This sort of makes me want to think about it a bit more and try to find which characters in which films really did impress me though.
 

Keita Lemur

A lot funnier than I look
Im always going to think The Lion King is the best one no matter what arguments anyone can come up for why it isn't. My sister and I saw it like 10 times in the theatre when it came out and I did again a few years ago when they re-released it for a few weeks. Im too sentimental plus ~my childhood~
 

David Drake

Representative of Naboo
I believe that requires more explaination as to why it is the best Disney film. First of all, thats a bold claim because of the sheer volume of quality work there is. For one, I do not think it is the same technical quality as say.. The Princess and the Frog. I would agree that some of the characters in BatB show some nuance, but not all of them. That's honestly not their strong point, nit usually. I'm trying to think of characters in BatB that really impressed me.. and I can't think if any. Belle? Not really, she doesn't want to marry Gaston, doesn't want Maurice to go to the asylum, and she's a quote unquote good person who just happens to like everyone. The Beast? Sort of. He doesn't like Belle but then after he figures it Belle can save him he does. Also he has a surprising amount what indentured slaves, which is weird since they appear to be suffering from some kind of stockholm syndrome. Gaston? No. He's evil. He hates Maurice, he wants to Marry Belle, and he's a bad guy. I sort of liked Maurice but I wouldn't exactly say that he is a very nuanced character either. I just find it very hard to find nuanced characters in an animated Disney film as I just don't think that is their strong point. This sort of makes me want to think about it a bit more and try to find which characters in which films really did impress me though.

Seeing as art is subjective and this thread is about popularly-held opinions one happens to agree with, I went out of my way to say "arguably" and limit my objective language. But the fact that BatB resonated on a level that reached the usually snobbish and out-of-touch Academy Awards merits something.

I will share a bit about the characters in the spirit of discussion.

They may not have a lot of dimensions but they're not flat either. They're simple enough to understand but with just a smidge of complexity to avoid being broad archetypes. Disney is in general better at this than they're given credit for, and you can point to many films that have as good or better characterization from character to character, but for many audiences it seemed to again resonate a bit more.

Belle: Yes, she's kind and intelligent and selfless. But she also refuses to take shit frim anyone and will fire right back if given shit. That's why she ultimately gets through to Beast (and why that's not stockholm syndrome) - she refuses to take his shit which allows him to grow as a person. Speaking of...

Beast: Has the xlearest character arc and growth. He starts off as a ball of rage as his temper is as high as ever, but the selfishness that got him into this has diminished in favor of self-loathing and dispair. He knows he fucked up, but he doesn't feel he can improve himself. There are three very clear moments before the Wolf Scene that changes their relationship where Beast is clearly guilty about his outbursts and behavior (and while "I just ruined my chances at breaking the curse" is part of it, it goes much deeper than that). When Belle stands up to him while simultaneously acknowledging he did something good, it spurs him to actually put in effort to make her happy and be a better person rather than assume he never can. He ultimately does the right thing for her dispite seemingly dooming himself because he cared for her as a person and not just a means or a servant.

The Servants: They really did get the short end of the stick and would have every right to leave were they not stuck in the same boat as Beast. But since they are, they make the most of it and work together. They each have "funny sidekick" personalities in some way, but they also each have their own senses of dignity - yes, even Cogsworth. It's clear that there is mutual caring and trust between them and the Beast in spite of Beast's authority over them and while they do try to avoid raising the Master's ire they never seem to fear for their lives and are (mostly) freely offering constructive criticism.

Gaston: Gaston is every pompous pretty-boy who thinks the world owes him whatever he wants because nobody in his life has ever told him otherwise. He's not outright cartoonishly moustache-twirlingly evil in the way someone like Maleficent or Ratigan is, he legitimately thinks he's the good guy in spite of his horrible personality since the only people to ever call him out on it is the crazy inventor's daughter. The town finds his behavior perfectly acceptable and laud him as a hero, why would he seek introspection and change?
 

Jane Hollywood

The Fabulous Moolah
Banned
Right, I just don't find any of those points you mentioned to be actual character traits with the exception of the Beast realizing that he 'fucked up' and basically has to concede with Belle or he is screwed.

For example I'd list some character traits found in tPatF. Louis really wants to play in a big band. That implies motive, conflict, and eventual redemption making it an actual character trait. Being good natured because that is how you are (Like Belle, Tiana and basically every Disney female lead) is not a character trait. Gaston being pompous is not a character trait, and I would totally disagree with Malificent being generic evil, she isn't. Anyway.. I feel like I've pretty much exhausted my argument here. That's fine if you find BatB to be the better Disney film.
 
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