ssaannttoo
Joy Boi
So its kinda similar to the Jedi order?
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Arishipshape
TFed Ex-Knight
Yea, but less child indoctrination, religion, and cult-like status. Joining is strictly voluntary, doesn’t require any particular religion (though most that end up joining are driven by religious obligations to morality) and can be done at any age.
Stray Cat Terry
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You're right.
Different =/= Wrong
Yet the humanity try their best to make 'different = wrong'. How pathetic.
The real 'wrong' is to refuse the possibility of neutrality.
Different =/= Wrong
Yet the humanity try their best to make 'different = wrong'. How pathetic.
The real 'wrong' is to refuse the possibility of neutrality.
ssaannttoo
Joy Boi
Well, I kinda think some differences are good, but others are bad. Something that helps a person express them self is good. But something that hurts people is bad. For me I don't think its necessarily bad the way I explain things, but it could be much better? Ya know what im trying to say?
Stray Cat Terry
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I get what you mean, which in my moral, is perfectly okay.
What really matter are those who bring 'different = wrong' beyond the boundaries. Like race, religion, region, hobby, personality, etc.
Ahh... humanity...
ssaannttoo
Joy Boi
But alas, humanity is meant to fail. That is our curse.
ssaannttoo
Joy Boi
Arishipshape Do you practice with swords IRL?
Stray Cat Terry
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And we have nothing to do with that. Neither we have power nor we have responsibilities, to be rational.
Rather, the best we can do, as I think, is to leave no regrets to our life even when we fade the next second.
ben909
vaporeon character != mushroom characters
... you know that kind of behavior is not strictly limmited to humans though
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ssaannttoo
Joy Boi
Perhaps, other animals may do things similarly, however humans are empathetic. If we didn't have empathy then all the bad things we do wouldn't be a problem.
Arishipshape
TFed Ex-Knight
I wish. That would take a lot of time and money I don’t have. If I don’t end up finding a spouse at college right off the bat and advancing at maximum speed up the corporate ladder doesn’t take up all my time post-college, I intend to take up swordplay as a hobby. Both because it is incredibly badass, and because I believe physical discipline is a good thing in general. Staying in good physical shape is a lot easier when I have a martial art or physical activity (like biking to work) I have to do.
I’m gonna hard disagree on that one. While human nature is indeed fallen, our ultimate purpose is not failure. Apologies if I’m venturing too close to religion, but I feel this statement at least is justified.
Stray Cat Terry
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This.
One of the reasons I think having born as a human is a curse, is this. Our brains do many stuff more than necessary thus cause issues.
ssaannttoo
Joy Boi
Thats cool, there is a forum under General Discussion about working out. I posted something on it yesterday.
Arishipshape
TFed Ex-Knight
I’m gonna hard disagree with this too. I believe there is an objective good which can be striven too in the world, and empathy usually helps us be closer aligned with that good than not. If we were completely heartless, we would never “feel bad”, but we wouldn’t actually do things better! I’d argue feeling good and doing good are often mutually exclusive, but I’d take the latter over the former any day of the week.
ssaannttoo
Joy Boi
But it also makes us stronger. Things aren't simple for us so we must work harder to overcome our problems. I may not like it, and it may seem like a curse. but being human is a test
ssaannttoo
Joy Boi
Well, i kinda agree, but I don't really think there is such a thing as good and evil. Its just an idea. To you you are good and people who don't agree are bad. but to the bad guys they are good and you are bad.
Stray Cat Terry
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I have to state that I partially agree with this.
I agree with the part about 'fall';
I disagree with the part about 'meant to'.
As I believe no single thing is everlasting, even the universe itself. (We can't confirm that universe is everlasting). So, regarding this logic as an absolute truth, humans may fall too. However, human aren't 'meant to' fall.
Ultimately, it's the same thing. But precisely, it's different.
ssaannttoo
Joy Boi
Lol, this is a fun conversation isn't it?
Arishipshape
TFed Ex-Knight
Good and evil ABSOLUTELY exist. You are correct in that it feels subjective, because often one man can deem something evil that another man deems good, but there is a solution: objective truth, which exists outside of humanity. I believe that objective truth does exist, and by reason, logic, and counsel from your fellow man, you can come closer to that objective truth than you could otherwise get alone.
I’d refer you to Pascal’s wager. If there is nothing in the universe everlasting, than nothing matters in the long run, and believing that something matters won’t negatively impact anything. If there IS something everlasting, I.E. a human soul, then what you believe and do in the world DOES matter, and it would be wise to act as though it did. You have nothing to lose, and everything to gain, by simply assuming that things matter, even if they don’t.
I also believe humanity has a purpose. I won’t elaborate further, as I’m trying to keep my arguments strictly logical, but there is a faith that agrees with them.
Stray Cat Terry
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I agree.
But to be precise to what I have said about this:
That complexity, not the 'bad stuffs', from being so 'developed' in terms of common brain usage, is the curse in my opinion.
Arishipshape
TFed Ex-Knight
Absolutely! My favorite subject is religion. My second favorite subject is politics.
I’m very fun at parties.
Arishipshape
TFed Ex-Knight
Complexity is no curse. IGNORANCE is a curse. A better understanding of this complex world is a blessing, not a curse. Have you ever seen The Matrix?
ben909
vaporeon character != mushroom characters
Yep... and a great thing to wake up to when you are not yet ready to read long segments of text
ssaannttoo
Joy Boi
Perhaps, I tend to think more mathematically and scientifically, so to me objective truths can be proven using math and science. I don't really see objective truths with humanity, because we are all different. We are raised differently and we have been through different thinkgs that change the way we perceive the world around us. For something to be objectively true it can't be something that everybody agrees on. It must be right. And at the current moment that is unreachable for humanity because we aren't divine beings and therefore can't think on a level that can make us objectively right.