Predators and Prey

[metatherat]

hoaahh. the ratness is strong, but the rat is tired
must sleep. until tomorrow, fellowfurs <3

 

[ssaannttoo]

Forums looking alive today UwU

 

[Borophagus Metropolis]

Forums looking alive today UwU

I’m bored

 

[Universe]

Boop

 

[Borophagus Metropolis]

Boop

I wanna buy an old car and make it go

 

[ssaannttoo]

it taller then a person, but if you can if you can get up there

*sits on it*

UwU

 

[ben909]

*sits on it*

UwU

watches

 

[Arishipshape]

I was speaking me-phorically! :I

I was under the impression you were born a rat?

....RAT TRANSFORMATION. *nodnod*

You and Ben never really understood consent did you

 

[ben909]

I was under the impression you were born a rat?

You and Ben never really understood consent did you

um... rats take food from people pantries no matter how hard people try and stop them
... ... and cats and foxes kind of eat then aganst their will

character also kills and eats live fish

 

[Arishipshape]

um... rats take food from people pantries no matter how hard people try and stop them
... ... and cats and foxes kind of eat then aganst their will

Okay but once you reach sentience you are expected to not do those things.

character also kills and eats live fish

Are the fish sentient?

 

[ben909]

Okay but once you reach sentience you are expected to not do those things.

Are the fish sentient?

"usually not... wait how do you define sentient"

 

[Arishipshape]

"usually not... wait how do you define sentient"

Not sure, but "able to use language" is definitely at least sentient.

 

[ben909]

Not sure, but "able to use language" is definitely at least sentient.

... vaporeons info says it eats fish pokemon

 

[Arishipshape]

... vaporeons info says it eats fish pokemon

Hmm. Apologies, I learned philosophy in human lands and it doesn't always translate over well. To be honest I'm not sure if that's right.

 

[Universe]

Boop

 

[ben909]

Hmm. Apologies, I learned philosophy in human lands and it doesn't always translate over well. To be honest I'm not sure if that's right.

"is alexia sentient"

 

[Arishipshape]

"is alexia sentient"

The program? No.

 

[ben909]

The program? No.

"but it understands language for the most part"

 

[Arishipshape]

"but it understands language for the most part"

It doesn't "understand". It cannot critically think, it is merely a large flowchart. More like an elaborate lever system where you can pull a lever and make something happen, except instead of physical levers it's verbal command levers.

 

[ben909]

It doesn't "understand". It cannot critically think, it is merely a large flowchart. More like an elaborate lever system where you can pull a lever and make something happen, except instead of physical levers it's verbal command levers.

"but in some ways aren't the connections in brains like that"
(little less in context, what about magamite, or other fully computerized creatures that act like animals)

 

[Arishipshape]

"but in some ways aren't the connections in brains like that"

A brain could be argued to be similar, but it is very distinctly different in many ways. A brain can change itself via learning, while Alexa must be updated by actually sentient creatures in order to change. A brain cannot be predicted as Alexa can, the "flowchart" doesn't really exist.

(little less in context, what about magamite, or other fully computerized creatures that act like animals)

(Magnemite is a fantastical creature that doesn't yet exist in the real world, but its AI has reached levels equivalent to sentient creatures, and thus is sentient.)

 

[ben909]

A brain could be argued to be similar, but it is very distinctly different in many ways. A brain can change itself via learning, while Alexa must be updated by actually sentient creatures in order to change. A brain cannot be predicted as Alexa can, the "flowchart" doesn't really exist.

(Magnemite is a fantastical creature that doesn't yet exist in the real world, but its AI has reached levels equivalent to sentient creatures, and thus is sentient.)

(my personal views of what is sentient is more closely tied with self awareness in a human like manor, although this also gives some crows(i think its crows) the label, although it also mush have memory, and some other things i cannot 100 pin down for my view)

 

[ben909]

A brain could be argued to be similar, but it is very distinctly different in many ways. A brain can change itself via learning, while Alexa must be updated by actually sentient creatures in order to change. A brain cannot be predicted as Alexa can, the "flowchart" doesn't really exist.

(Magnemite is a fantastical creature that doesn't yet exist in the real world, but its AI has reached levels equivalent to sentient creatures, and thus is sentient.)

(also some programs do 'learn" things, even if in the background its just updating weights attached to notes in a data structure)

 

[Arishipshape]

(also some programs do 'learn" things, even if in the background its just updating weights attached to notes in a data structure)

(They can still only "learn" things they were explicitly programmed to learn. They couldn't learn TO learn. They couldn't change their code that dictates what code they can change.)

 

[ben909]

(They can still only "learn" things they were explicitly programmed to learn. They couldn't learn TO learn. They couldn't change their code that dictates what code they can change.)

(technically i don't think nural nets change any code, just the data they work with, although the brain could be the same way, as nothing we learn change how the electrical and chemical functions in the cells happen, just the state of the brain changes... even if more things are involved then i think people know)