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RANT: Stop oversexualizing your fursonas; treat them like characters.

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Ziggy Schlacht

Hasn't figured out this "straight" business
The conversation was like 12 posts. The shit posting is the 12 pages.

Unfortunately, the OP managed to take a totally neutral and inoffensive comment - could y'all try to work on telling more of a story with your art - and cloaked it in way too high minded a purpose to get anywhere.
 

quoting_mungo

Well-Known Member
If storytelling was important, then why is Literay Fiction "100,000 words where nothing happens" but somehow Martin's oversized fantasy books are considered the good stuff?
Literary fiction and speculative fiction are both storytelling; neither is inherently superior to the other. If people enjoy the fantastic, let them - it’s better that people read and enjoy it than that they don’t read at all.

Incidentally, on the FA account of the webcomic husband and I did until my health went to shit, stories were fairly consistently doing better (in terms of views) than their illustrations, and comic pages (also a form of storytelling) better than isolated illustrations, largely regardless of rating. People are absolutely attracted to storytelling. The trick is to get them interested in your story.

(Let’s say it takes a minute to look at an image submission. This is obviously longer than most people are likely to spend. How large a fraction of a story can you read in a minute? For a completely arbitrary number, let’s say the average story takes 20 minutes to read. That would mean 20 image submissions get viewed in the same time frame as a single story. This time investment is grounds enough for a lot of people to be choosy about their reading.)
 

Raever

Chaotic Neutral Wreckage
Literary fiction and speculative fiction are both storytelling; neither is inherently superior to the other. If people enjoy the fantastic, let them - it’s better that people read and enjoy it than that they don’t read at all.

Incidentally, on the FA account of the webcomic husband and I did until my health went to shit, stories were fairly consistently doing better (in terms of views) than their illustrations, and comic pages (also a form of storytelling) better than isolated illustrations, largely regardless of rating. People are absolutely attracted to storytelling. The trick is to get them interested in your story.

(Let’s say it takes a minute to look at an image submission. This is obviously longer than most people are likely to spend. How large a fraction of a story can you read in a minute? For a completely arbitrary number, let’s say the average story takes 20 minutes to read. That would mean 20 image submissions get viewed in the same time frame as a single story. This time investment is grounds enough for a lot of people to be choosy about their reading.)

You said this far better than I could.

Though as a biased comic nerd I must say...

mindless superhero movies?

I am offended by the highest degrees good madam!
(clearly I'm kidding here...)

But honestly, not all superhero movies are mindless. In fact a majority of them can hit very hard (in a good way).
I feel like the blunt force of your words are pretty telling as to why my statement of "cynical" instead of "realistic" seems accurate.

That said,

The conversation was like 12 posts. The shit posting is the 12 pages.

I think a lot of people (save for maybe four) had really good input and opinions to share.
Just because someone disagrees, and writes about why, doesn't make it shit posting. :/
 

MaelstromEyre

Slippery When Wet
Maelstrom is my character, one I've had and developed through lots and lots of roleplay with others over the years.

Any "intimate" stuff is story-based. It's not the central focus of anything, but it's "a thing" that happens in life so it would be unrealistic to expect characters, even animal characters, not to take part in that kind of activity.
 

Jaredthefox92

Banned
Banned
Unless your fetish is with giants, my characters are not very sexualized. Heck, I don't even know if you could call me a furry. I don't fursuit and I don't yiff, I'm more in the Sonic fandom and a lot of my characters have plenty of lore, (my main villains are a family of super-criminals that basically live all over Europe and the America's and sort of started two bigass wars). I've recently written a story where a witch turns giant and it's been going for about, 11 full chapters.

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Yeah, there's kink themes in it, because Amanda is EVIL. Unless your kink is falling on objects or crushing cars you don't like the color of, it's really not sexualized unless you happen to have said fetish.

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Then again, it depends on if you would call me a furry by definition technically, or if you presume I wear a fursuit, attend cons for money, and am into yiff. None of those I am. I would agree that there should be less sexualized art, but sadly that would mean that a lot of humanity right now would stop doing far worse stuff, such as rioting and looting, and establishing a tiny silly 'nation' and beg for vegan products. Anyways, the point is humanity is stupid, so yes I agree that there should be less $$$ involved artwork, but hey I am not a liberal college student who couldn't try to get a degree in something practical like draftsmanship.
 

Stray Cat Terry

테리 / 特里 / テリー
Disagreement and agreement.


Disagreement

The OP has their points, but what it gives me is the same vibe as Korean government.

Ex:
Idea:
Some thoughtless people use metal balls on airsoft to harm and destroy stuffs, so we have to restrict airsoft guns to have a power so low that it is no longer a gun.

Result:
Such law-limited airsoft guns can't be run on sports anymore. Plus, the harassers still shoot people and animals with them, illegally modified internals, and shoots metal balls. What has improved....?

So, what I'm saying is:

Instead of telling NSFW users not-to, I think telling those people (who manage to violate security and end up getting mentally impacted themselves) not to go beyond borders.

And plus, personally, haters hating what they hate(for any reason) is normal. Not only the furries, other fandoms and stuffs get hatred every day. And we all know that it never kills the fandom or anything. Still, up to these days, various fandoms manage to get their newcomers and ultimately fueling each fandoms go on. FAF isn't an exception.

As long as we don't violate laws and rules, everything is fine. What makes these look discusting is that people just get curious and look what's not allowed for them. Rules are there for a reason.

Other than this, if someone hates something, that's natural, what's the matter? Do we become furries to get acknowledged by all mankind? I guess not. Sometimes, we have to comprehend, that nothing can be loved by everyone.


Agreement & how I do

But I think I get what you feel, 1) you don't want your fellow furries gather such hate and potentially having the view inflicted on you. Or maybe 2) it's because you actually care and this is how you express it. I thank you for the care.

However, 1) that's what you have to carry on along if you decide to be a part of anything. No matter it's online communities or real life companies, etc. If the reason that makes you stay here worths more than such a downside, you have to admit it and always get prepared for that. If not, in my case, I just leave. (I'm not forcing you to leave, just think in a different way like I told you, please)

And if it's 2), there's no need to worry since everyone have their own reasons to act as they want, and those reasons alone makes it all about why they're still standing despite all the hates and disgusts coming from everywhere. And again, as 1), they are likely already cool about this and they are most likely enjoying what they do.

Hope this can relieve your worries :3
 
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redhusky

Emperor of Floof! King of the Rats and Spamlord!
The conversation was like 12 posts. The shit posting is the 12 pages.

Unfortunately, the OP managed to take a totally neutral and inoffensive comment - could y'all try to work on telling more of a story with your art - and cloaked it in way too high minded a purpose to get anywhere.
This. If you are going to tell other people their business make sure to do so respectfully. Remember children, It's not WHAT you say, it's HOW you say it.
 

Raever

Chaotic Neutral Wreckage

Raever

Chaotic Neutral Wreckage

redhusky

Emperor of Floof! King of the Rats and Spamlord!
Disagreement and agreement.


Disagreement

The OP has their points, but what it gives me is the same vibe as Korean government.

Ex:
Idea:
Some thoughtless people use metal balls on airsoft to harm and destroy stuffs, so we have to restrict airsoft guns to have a power so low that it is no longer a gun.

Result:
Such law-limited airsoft guns can't be run on sports anymore. Plus, the harassers still shoot people and animals with them, illegally modified internals, and shoots metal balls. What has improved....?

So, what I'm saying is:

Instead of telling NSFW users not-to, I think telling those people (who manage to violate security and end up getting mentally impacted themselves) not to go beyond borders.

And plus, personally, haters hating what they hate(for any reason) is normal. Not only the furries, other fandoms and stuffs get hatred every day. And we all know that it never kills the fandom or anything. Still, up to these days, various fandoms manage to get their newcomers and ultimately fueling each fandoms go on. FAF isn't an exception.

As long as we don't violate laws and rules, everything is fine. What makes these look discusting is that people just get curious and look what's not allowed for them. Rules are there for a reason.

Other than this, if someone hates something, that's natural, what's the matter? Do we become furries to get acknowledged by all mankind? I guess not. Sometimes, we have to comprehend, that nothing can be loved by everyone.


Agreement & how I do

But I think I get what you feel, 1) you don't want your fellow furries gather such hate and potentially having the view inflicted on you. Or maybe 2) it's because you actually care and this is how you express it. I thank you for the care.

However, 1) that's what you have to carry on along if you decide to be a part of anything. No matter it's online communities or real life companies, etc. If the reason that makes you stay here worths more than such a downside, you have to admit it and always get prepared for that. If not, in my case, I just leave. (I'm not forcing you to leave, just think in a different way like I told you, please)

And if it's 2), there's no need to worry since everyone have their own reasons to act as they want, and those reasons alone makes it all about why they're still standing despite all the hates and disgusts coming from everywhere. And again, as 1), they are likely already cool about this and they are most likely enjoying what they do.

Hope this can relieve your worries :3
Well, the answer is obvious then! Animals need to man up and stop putting up with that kind of bullshit!
 

OvineTanuki

Certified Moron
Unpopular opinion but after reading through this thread I agree with OP. Their original post wasn't worded in the best way, but I understand where they're coming from as someone who likes to do a bit of writing myself. I'm disappointed that so many were quick to make shitty, pretty responses instead of engaging them like a fucking adult. Kudos to the folks that added some good counterpoints. I'm gonna try not to just repeat what others have said, but here's my take:

I have no qualms with people who just want a ton of porn of their characters or the occasional NSFW commission. I'm all for sex-positivity. I have an entire project dedicated to just NSFW stories and lore for my characters, including my fursona. That being said, it would help the fandom greatly if SFW content was promoted more. I mean half the reason there's a "Coming out" post made weekly is because there's a really gross stigma attached to the fandom and people pretending like it ain't something to be concerned about truly baffles me. I don't give a fuck what people think about me or what I'm into, but the fandom isn't just me. There are tons of younger furs, new furs, and people that just want something wholesome to share with outsiders that could really use a clean space to work in before they go off the deep end. Like it or not, when most people hear "furry", they think of sex-crazed zoophiles. That's obviously not the case, but let's be real, it's not like most of us are putting in the effort to combat the stereotype.

Hell, this probably wouldn't even be a discussion worth having if FA and dA had a proper tagging system. A category for fetish/sexually charged content that's in between General and Mature would be great. It could be accessible to people under 18 but when SFW mode is on, that content gets filtered out. But whatever, that's getting off-topic.

You can have your slutty OCs. I will never argue against more content being added to the fandom, sexual or otherwise. It'd just be nice to have more clean content and for people to at least pretend to care about others that prefer to that kind of content.
 

Ovidia Dragoness

Udder Derg
Banned
Unpopular opinion but after reading through this thread I agree with OP. Their original post wasn't worded in the best way, but I understand where they're coming from as someone who likes to do a bit of writing myself. I'm disappointed that so many were quick to make shitty, pretty responses instead of engaging them like a fucking adult. Kudos to the folks that added some good counterpoints. I'm gonna try not to just repeat what others have said, but here's my take:

I have no qualms with people who just want a ton of porn of their characters or the occasional NSFW commission. I'm all for sex-positivity. I have an entire project dedicated to just NSFW stories and lore for my characters, including my fursona. That being said, it would help the fandom greatly if SFW content was promoted more. I mean half the reason there's a "Coming out" post made weekly is because there's a really gross stigma attached to the fandom and people pretending like it ain't something to be concerned about truly baffles me. I don't give a fuck what people think about me or what I'm into, but the fandom isn't just me. There are tons of younger furs, new furs, and people that just want something wholesome to share with outsiders that could really use a clean space to work in before they go off the deep end. Like it or not, when most people hear "furry", they think of sex-crazed zoophiles. That's obviously not the case, but let's be real, it's not like most of us are putting in the effort to combat the stereotype.

Hell, this probably wouldn't even be a discussion worth having if FA and dA had a proper tagging system. A category for fetish/sexually charged content that's in between General and Mature would be great. It could be accessible to people under 18 but when SFW mode is on, that content gets filtered out. But whatever, that's getting off-topic.

You can have your slutty OCs. I will never argue against more content being added to the fandom, sexual or otherwise. It'd just be nice to have more clean content and for people to at least pretend to care about others that prefer to that kind of content.
Okay boomer
 

ConorHyena

nazi hunter
wasn't most of FA's content SFW anyway? I remember something like one third nsfw two thirds SFW.
 

OvineTanuki

Certified Moron
What point was that?

> I make a post trying to add something thoughtful to the thread
> you proceed to do one of the things I complained about with zero self awareness

Dude you can do what you want and disagree all you like. A half assed response like "ok Boomer" though really isn't doing anyone any favors. Like if you're gonna disagree, cool, but do you have an actual rebuttal? This is a discussion board.
 
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