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RANT: Stop oversexualizing your fursonas; treat them like characters.

Ovidia Dragoness

Ovidia Dragoness

Udder Derg
Banned
OvineTanuki said:
> I make a post trying to add something thoughtful to the thread
> you proceed to do one of the things I complained about with zero self awareness

Dude you can do what you want and disagree all you like. A half assed response like "ok Boomer" though really isn't doing anyone any favors. Like if you're gonna disagree, cool, but do you have an actual rebuttal? This is a discussion board.
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I knew exactly what I was doing. And just like the op you're just whining about a fantasy you wish was true. I wish a lot of things were different, but you know, whining about them on forums do nothing.
 
OvineTanuki

OvineTanuki

Certified Moron
Ovi the Dragon said:
I knew exactly what I was doing. And just like the op you're just whining about a fantasy you wish was true. I wish a lot of things were different, but you know, whining about them on forums do nothing.
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This is a forum??? What, are we supposed to only talk about things we like? I'm not the cops. I mean regardless of my "whining" you can do what you like. I feel like you didn't actually read my post.
 
redhusky

redhusky

Emperor of Floof! King of the Rats and Spamlord!
OvineTanuki said:
I'm disappointed that so many were quick to make shitty, pretty responses instead of engaging them like a fucking adult.
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Protip: If you really want to have a discussion don't poison the well. See this sentence? This passive-aggressiveness taint's the rest of the post because from here on sound like your speaking down to us even if you didn't mean to.

OvineTanuki said:
Hell, this probably wouldn't even be a discussion worth having if FA and dA had a proper tagging system. A category for fetish/sexually charged content that's in between General and Mature would be great. It could be accessible to people under 18 but when SFW mode is on, that content gets filtered out. But whatever, that's getting off-topic.
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FA already has filters for both fetishes and content ratings. If people aren't using the then report them.
DA used to have a proper anthro section with more filters but the admins, notably Jark you guy remember that Jark nonsense, personally disliked the genre, along with many others, and "crammed" it together.

ConorHyena said:
wasn't most of FA's content SFW anyway? I remember something like one third nsfw two thirds SFW.
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You are correct, most anthro art is SFW. I've been part of the online fandom since 1996 and this type of conversation comes up every so often and the answer to it is always: Stop looking at the NSFW content and use the filters that are already there for you to use. And the NSFW content is just what gets all the attention so stop making it an issue. ANNNND don't try to cheat and lump lewds in with the outright X rated content!

Case in point, this site is called "The Belfry Archives" it a site that's been going on for almost 20 years now and it lists web comics that are either totally anthro or at least has an anthro character in it. it's rating system is:

A Adult Situations
L Adult Language
N Nudity
V Graphic Violence
X Explicit (NC-17)

This is a link to the ENTIRE listing. notice how many "Xs" there are and you'll see what I mean. new.belfrycomics.net: The Belfry WebComics Index
 
Raever

Raever

Chaotic Neutral Wreckage
redhusky said:
This passive-aggressiveness taint's the rest of the post because from here on sound like your speaking down to us even if you didn't mean to.
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Didn't seem like speaking down, more like pointing out what happened. When a member responds with "make me" and nothing else to a long thread that wants genuine discussion that can very easily be seen as,

• Petty
• Childish
• Etc.

I don't think they meant the comment towards people who genuinely disagreed and gave reasons for it. I think this was just towards the people who clearly didn't give a fuck and wanted to be petty and "funny" about it, which...well. I can't blame the guy for saying something about that. Not one bit.

redhusky said:
FA already has filters for both fetishes and content ratings.
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This has been talked about to death at this point but, to put it mildly - can confirm two truths about FA for you:

• Rarely do people tag properly which ruins the filter (i see clear NSFW and debatable NSFW in general/SFW areas more times than I can count when browsing)

• Even when people tag right, there's borderline fetish material that skims passed the adult bar (and I'm not just bitching about inflation or other "not-fetish fetishes" with that remark)

This was proven more or less with several posts, though most images were changed to adult a day after I'd pointed them out (yay?) I highly doubt it'll stop the mass majority that just chill in General due to FA having little to no actual control of what's submitted under what tag and users not being able to add tags themselves (I really wish FA just implemented a more updated user interactive filter system, one of my only "large" - and by that I mean prevalent and annoying - complaints...).

I am of the opinion that anyone's issue with unwanted fetish viewings and/or the desire to see more creative content would be handled at least 70% better than what the current system offers if it were updated - but what do I know? I'm just a gal with sharp teeth.

redhusky said:
You are correct, most anthro art is SFW.
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*types in dog in general only search under SFW*

Search results (1 - 72 of 653783)

*types in dog in mature/adult only search without SFW*

(1 - 72 of 284165)

Hmm...

Well there's definitely more SFW for doggos (roughly 78% more), for example, but not really by a lot in the grand scheme of things since this is only looking up one generic word and as said prior there is adult content in sfw often. In short, this is only one general example of a generic fursona type. I'd like to find a better way to math this throughout the entirety of art submissions as only looking at one thing is very flawed, but I have no idea how to do that with FA's current system.


Anyway, I'm getting carried away with math and am far too off topic. Much like this thread feels, though of no help from me lol.

I guess my point with this post is if the OP gave up responding I think it's time we all went back to our memes and tea. <3
 
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redhusky

redhusky

Emperor of Floof! King of the Rats and Spamlord!
Raever said:
Didn't seem like speaking down, more like pointing out what happened. When a member responds with "make me" and nothing else to a long thread that wants genuine discussion that can very easily be seen as,

• Petty
• Childish
• Etc.

I don't think they meant the comment towards people who genuinely disagreed and gave reasons for it. I think this was just towards the people who clearly didn't give a fuck and wanted to be petty and "funny" about it, which...well. I can't blame the guy for saying something about that. Not one bit.
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The point is that I want to get across to not open the door in the first place then act surprised when people respond. On more than one occasion, not just here, I see people passive aggressively taking jabs then claiming they just wanted a discussion then acting all shocked that people point out the former. Moral of the story, just don't open the door. I know, there's a lot to be triggered over this thread but there comes a time where you have to be the bigger person and be respectful. Now, if someone comes at you fine but don't start anything yourself.
 
Raever

Raever

Chaotic Neutral Wreckage
redhusky said:
just don't open the door
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People have every right to talk about what they're passionate about. Call the original post as blunt as you want, but tbe OP did not insult anyone in it. The ones responding in childish manners were the ones throwing "jabs". It's not necessarily a passive aggressive attack if another poster points out that what they did was childish. Since it factually was. There was no passive aggression to be seen. Just one side (the arguably childish side) showing comedic disrespect for the sake of "cool points" or what have you. :/

While I will agree that if you want to avoid any criticism whatsoever, you just avoid bringing up a topic, but clearly that wasn't their goal. So I don't see your point.
 
redhusky

redhusky

Emperor of Floof! King of the Rats and Spamlord!
Raever said:
*types in dog in general only search under SFW*

Search results (1 - 72 of 653783)

*types in dog in mature/adult only search without SFW*

(1 - 72 of 284165)

Hmm...

Well there's definitely more SFW for doggos, for example, but not really by a lot in the grand scheme of things. This is only one general example of a generic fursona type though. I'd like to find a better way to math this, but I have no idea how to with FA's system.


Anyway, this is so off topic. Much like this thread feels, though of no help from me lol.

I guess my point with this post is if the OP gave up responding I think it's time we all went back to our memes and tea. <3
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NOTE: Did you edit the post since posting? The thread currently reads but when the reply is different:

*types in hug under SFW*

Search results (1 - 72 of 103580)

*types in sex without SFW*

Search results (1 - 72 of 568051)

But regardless, this brings up search under with SFW mode off also adds in lewds which isn't just x rated material. It what I brought up earlier and why it's not a good metric to go by at all.
 
Raever

Raever

Chaotic Neutral Wreckage
redhusky said:
NOTE: Did you edit the post since posting? The thread currently reads but when the reply is different
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Yeah I went over numbers again since posting and made the search term more general because I felt my original comparison might have been unfair. I do that often when bringing math into something since I like to try and be as factual as possible.
 
redhusky

redhusky

Emperor of Floof! King of the Rats and Spamlord!
Raever said:
People have every right to talk about what they're passionate about. Call the original post as blunt as you want, but tbe OP did not insult anyone in it. The ones responding in childish manners were the ones throwing "jabs". It's not necessarily a passive aggressive attack if another poster points out that what they did was childish. Since it factually was. There was no passive aggression to be seen. Just one side (the arguably childish side) showing comedic disrespect for the sake of "cool points" or what have you. :/

While I will agree that if you want to avoid any criticism whatsoever, you just avoid bringing up a topic, but clearly that wasn't their goal. So I don't see your point.
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Never implied that shouldn't talk about it, in fact I encouraged it. We are going to have agreed to disagree on the passive aggressiveness on post in question then.

Raever said:
While I will agree that if you want to avoid any criticism whatsoever, you just avoid bringing up a topic, but clearly that wasn't their goal. So I don't see your point.
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I don't know came to this conclusion on what I said. You can talk about what ever you want. Criticism wasn't meant towards what they said but more HOW they said it.
 
ConorHyena

ConorHyena

nazi hunter
Raever said:
Well there's definitely more SFW for doggos (roughly 78% more), for example, but not really by a lot in the grand scheme of things since this is only looking up one generic word and as said prior there is adult content in sfw often.
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I think almost 80% more is a lot, especially when we're talking about things that were thrown around like "this fandom is inherently sexual"

even if we factor in 10% mis-tagged/sfw fetish stuff (which I think is a lot) you'd still be at 68/32 for SFW content, and I think that's a large margin.
 
Raever

Raever

Chaotic Neutral Wreckage
redhusky said:
Never implied that shouldn't talk about it, in fact I encouraged it. We are going to have agreed to disagree on the passive aggressiveness on post in question then.
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Might be possible that I mistook one post for something else. I have a few members blocked due to their behaviors so you might have said something to them and I could have taken it out of context. Who knows?

redhusky said:
I don't know came to this conclusion on what I said. You can talk about what ever you want. Criticism wasn't meant towards what they said but
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I definitely misunderstood you then, my apologies!
 
Raever

Raever

Chaotic Neutral Wreckage
ConorHyena said:
I think almost 80% more is a lot, especially when we're talking about things that were thrown around like "this fandom is inherently sexual"

even if we factor in 10% mis-tagged/sfw fetish stuff (which I think is a lot) you'd still be at 68/32 for SFW content, and I think that's a large margin.
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I edited that quite a few minutes ago. :D

Other edit: when I said not a lot in the grand scheme of things I meant because I was only looking up one word, which was generic, and only fit one of MANY species in the sona animal/fantasy beast kingdom. Again, the FA system for finding detailed results is extremely difficult to figure out so, I'm not convinced that there's not more NSFW than SFW due to the sexual and kinky scene that the community brings with it as apart of its escapism.

If there was a way to sort every submission on FA and figure out how much was SFW and how much was NSFW (even excluding the not-fetish fetishes like inflation or feet or something) that would be far more telling than typing in one of many species and giving an example number. >_>;;

"Furry" in General = 756976
"Furry" in Mature = 129727
"Furry" in Adult = 162474
"Furry" in Mature/Adult = 292201

- not including general for obvious reasons -
"Sex" in Mature = 46502
"Sex" in Adult = 471626
"Sex" in Mature/Adult = 518128

And just for fun some of everyone's favorite brands...

"Pokemon" in General = 510125
"Pokemon" in Mature = 107471
"Pokemon" in Adult = 215250
"Pokemon" in Mature/Adult = 322721

"Digimon" in General = 49555
"Digimon" in Mature = 13279
"Digimon" in Adult = 31629 (fun fact over 20000 of it is purely renamon)
"Digimon" in Mature/Adult = 44908

Theory: When looking for specific things like fandom art you have a 30% - 80% likelihood (depending on the fandom) of finding furry porn instead of wholesome Furry art but when looking for more generic one word searches - obviously, - the percentage of stumbling into porn is lesser.

Is this mind melting? No.

But I can understand the frustration all the same. While percentage might look low due to a mix of reasons (outdated system, inability to possibly sort every submission, etc) when you search through one or two fandoms the numbers are either much more evenly matched or the fetish content in comparison to the normal is outrageous.

Except for Sonic for some reason.
They have a lot more General art, though most of it is inflation and feet. Huh, I'm noticing a connection sonic fans, and it makes me question my own fandom now. -_-
 
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