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RANT: Stop oversexualizing your fursonas; treat them like characters.

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Raever

Chaotic Neutral Wreckage
A fursona isn't just a character they've written into a story but is actually them just in a different body.

I always found this concept extremely creepy, but that may be the 11+ year forum roleplayer in me talking. As with roleplay it was almost always seen as a negative when portraying yourself through a character due to how much drama and escapism (gee, whaddya know?) could result from it. It also made everything that happened with your character that much more sensitively taken, which in a lot of ways could be psychologically damaging for the individuals that didn't know how to separate themselves from their characters properly. While I'm not saying this mindset can't be done healthily - I am saying that it can be really difficult to stay healthy in the long run without any historical, psychological, or personality differences between you and the creation. The power of the mind is a strange, strange thing.

It's also very well known that a good handful of furries have issues with self-confidence and anxiety, so seeing a character representative of them in something NSFW could be a bit of a confidence booster.

This makes NSFW artists and NSFW commissioners everywhere look like pathetic anxiety ridden hermits, and I can only assume that the people actually doing this are few and far between compared to the ones who are doing it for the simple sexual fun of it. Mostly because a lot of Furries I meet tend to be functioning adults who are more than capable of flirting, chilling, and hanging out with fellow human beings. This misconception that "a lot of furries can't function so they use art to substitute" is honestly disgusting to me, and a little offensive to the community as a whole when you think about it. Then again, maybe I'm just being sensitive. :p

If seeing NSFW stuff makes you uncomfy then just don't look at it. The public and the normies will think whatever they want about us, no matter if we were all squeaky clean or not. Honestly, a big part of the fandom for me is not being like the public and just being myself.

Feels like you're missing the point that the OP is trying to make, but if his long rant didn't explain it to you - I'm not sure if I could either.
 
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Raever

Chaotic Neutral Wreckage
Another thing I forgot to point out about this in regards to writing "deep" characters that happen to be your personal avatar is that in many writing circles, this would be essentially creating a Mary Sue/Marty Sue.

Actually a Mary Sue is the opposite of a deep and well defined character.
That's why they got the nickname, "Mary Sue" and "Gary Stu" respectively.
Because of how generic and bland the names sound.

You can have a character in a story and have them be exceptionally powerful while still having a sense of depth- it's why so many good characters in Marvel and DC work. They don't always hit the mark, but the ones that do REALLY do it well.

Also, a Fursona isn't always a person's reflection. Faline is most certainly not a reflection of me. I do have a few art pieces that can get more personal, but it isn't ever a case of, "Yes this is ME." It's always Faline. Just different layers of her.
 
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BlackDragonAJ89

Bumbling Everyman
Actually a Mary Sue is the opposite of a deep and well defined character.
That's why they got the nickname, "Mary Sue" and "Gary Stu" respectively.
Because of how generic and bland the names sound.

I should probably point out that what I mean by "deep" in this case is that it's often used for over-the-top tragic backstories that use every cliche in the book.

Of course, "Mary Sue" isn't exactly easy to pin down from person to person; not even the almighty TVTropes can make it work for us: Mary Sue - TV Tropes
 

quoting_mungo

Well-Known Member
I always found this concept extremely creepy, but that may be the 11+ year forum roleplayer in me talking. As with roleplay it was almost always seen as a negative when portraying yourself through a character due to how much drama and escapism (gee, whaddya know?) could result from it. It also made everything that happened with your character that much more sensitively taken, which in a lot of ways could be psychologically damaging for the individuals that didn't know how to separate themselves from their characters properly. While I'm not saying this mindset can't be done healthily - I am saying that it can be really difficult to stay healthy in the long run without any historical, psychological, or personality differences between you and the creation. The power of the mind is a strange, strange thing.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but personally I don’t roleplay using my fursona (with the possible rare exception of exchanging messages with husband or boyfriend), so that’s not a factor to me. Because, yeah, my fursona is me-as-a-furry, rather than a distinct being. If I’m going to roleplay I’ll use characters created for the purpose, which never were self-representative in the first place.

I totally agree that separation between fiction and reality is super important, I just don’t believe that people’s ability to do so necessarily something that can be accurately predicted based on their relationship with their character alone. Having seen people who use their fursonas as direct self-representations with very little independent characterization, who display a healthy understanding of IC/OOC separation, on one hand, and people with characters that very much are independent characters, who can’t handle other characters’ reactions to their own character’s actions, on the other.
 

Zerzehn

Dojyaaaaaaaaan~
How dare people focus on their character's aesthetics in visual mediums.

EDIT: Directed at OP.
 

Raever

Chaotic Neutral Wreckage

Valryth

Do clouds look down and think I'm one of them?
This one has been sitting in my mind for some time now, and after some consideration I decided to share my thoughts. It'll go on for a second, but don't be too concerned.



I have to give the spotlight to the problem of pornography and its prevalence within the furry community. Known to everyone, there's no need to discuss how this trend makes our (very talented) subculture look disgusting and unappealing to normal people, along with the effect it has on younger viewers - all of this has been covered many times already.

This problem is, indeed, something that would be very difficult to fix, requiring a change of heart of an entire unison of furries to have any positive impact. What I will touch upon, however, can do just about anyone-


-Anyone who one day sat down and decided to take it upon themselves to create a character to call their own: a piece of their own mind, their interests, loves and hates; an artistic embodiment of themselves. Whether it was for a story, a piece of art, to honour someone, as respect of the person they will never be or simply out of boredom - the sheer possibilities of creating someone new, piece-by-piece, are endless.

Think of the last book, or any piece of poetry, that you had invested yourself in. Think of the character, that one gem unique to you, the only character out of the abundance of faces that made you feel. Maybe it made you laugh? Cry? Sit down and ponder about yourself, the world you live in? A character you would love to meet in person, and spend many cheerful moments with? That is this power.

...and you would be disappointed to notice just how much of it goes to waste trying to make characters look. Many celebrity-lookalikes of furry characters are famous and well-known thanks to their visual appearance and abundant sexual art. And what do you gain from it? Sure, the visual and sexual excitement will make you feel again, but for how long? Masturbation, and this kind of entertainment, has never known to be fulfilling, has it? You know its feeling of emptiness; it does not help anything.


Instead, imagine converting all the hours of making your character "hot" into making them deep. I don't like this term either, but you know what I mean: giving them a backstory, in-depth emotions and their behaviour, maybe other characters related to them? Hell, create them an entire world of their own - who can stop you?

Simply sit down and think of the lack of respect for such creations, the love they never get. Why, you don't even have to treat them as figments of your imagination - how about seeing them as they would be a human? Every human, even the greyest, most generic face has something to tell, some piece of their past to share, their childhood, what made them them. Why should characters be looked down upon as just another shallow face? It does not help anything.


Instead, an inspiring character can change someone's life. Back then, the realisation of this fact made me shiver. Is it far-fetched? Maybe. Is it impossible? Never. It is only so when you give up on it or overlook it completely.

But if you're humble, or just not that sure of yourself, you don't instantly have to change someone's entire existence. Maybe simply make them happy? Give them something interesting, deep, entertaining to read; a character to look into further and further, their own rabbit-hole for the ones most interested in your creations. Touching the very own brain, heart, feelings of a person is undoubtedly more engaging than making someone feel aroused.


Even when ignoring others, building a character with your own heart is far from hurtful. It would let you see again, see value in such creations, create a bond with a piece of yourself. This deep, developing feeling is, actually, the exact opposite of the brief, sexual satisfaction everyone knows, but hates.

Now, don't call me some old, purism supremacist. I'm all behind keeping the sexual part in our community; as in others, it's an entire part of its own, deleting it would be counteractive. However, toning it down and letting productive actions take its place would help the community as it is.



Everyone should do their best to develop as people, as an unison of a subculture that has deep roots and equally massive potential.

I would just like to see the true face of this community that, at this pace, we are never going to see.


Thanks.


I would like to start by saying that I loved reading this post. Great ideas, lovely language, and a breath of fresh air regarding community-discussed topics.

As there isn't really much I can do other than give my own input, I would like to say that as a part of the furry fandom, I'm definitely nowhere as deep as you would expect. I see a lot of people create masterful characters with amazing backstories that are great for roleplaying and just general branching out as an "individual" be it through whatever creative medium they prefer. In my case, I like to see my fursona as a bridge from me (the person behind the screen) to the community (all of you behind your screens) and it doesn't really get any deeper than that.

That said, I think that there's a different type of value that can be found from it. I strictly refrain from involving my character in any sort of "hardcore/fetishy/etc" content simply because I would like to treat him in the same way I treat myself.

Seeing all the furries with incredible little details for their fursonas, no matter if they're projections of themselves or not, has made me consider building some sort of "backstory" for my own fursona even though he is supposed to be me but with a fluffy image! In my case, I've been considering using Valryth as an outlet for certain passions/interests that I don't explore as much in real life due to having to choose between the things I invest in! There are a lot of things that I do with my life, but I wouldn't really want to have him be a carbon copy of me either! That was how I discovered that maybe I could have him branch out into his own character, even if his essence is still supposed to be me.

(That last paragraph is essentially a rant about why I may be considering this that OP has mentioned.)

About the sexualization, I... I don't really know? While I think that having these ideals is great, and this is definitely something I condone and would love seeing, I don't think that it's realistic at all? This ties in with something else that you have said, which was

"I would just like to see the true face of this community that, at this pace, we are never going to see."

The problem with such a statement is that your intent is in fact genuine and understandable, but we cannot deny that what we currently see is the true face of the community. There is no way around it. The people who joined because they like anthro characters, the people who joined because they like uncommon fetishes, the people who joined because they love roleplaying, they love the art, they love the porn, they love parts of the community, the ideologies... This is all the true face of the community.

Some people are in fact the way you mentioned. But some aren't and they never will be. Actually, I would go as far as to say that most aren't and they won't ever change.

And that is okay!

I share your mindset and I would love to see that positive change in the fandom, but I think that this is something we won't be seeing anytime soon. The fandom is going through some sort of snowball effect, where it's gaining so much notoriety as a haven for people who want a different from of sexual expression that it will inevitably grow to become that way, because those who seek such a thing hear all this talk about our community and join for those reasons! It's really inevitable, and it's a weird sort of self-fulfilling prophecy. Just how stuff works!

I think that perserverance is the most important thing. Keep creating your characters. Keep showing people that you can make a proper backstory for your fursona. Show people who aren't in the fandom for the same reasons as you what your reasons are, and who knows, maybe they'll discover that there is in fact this side to the fandom and may be attracted to it too!

(I am extremely sleepy and I'm not sure if any of this makes sense, but I really loved the thread and writing this was a nice mental exercise. Thank you.)
 

Raever

Chaotic Neutral Wreckage
I would like to start by saying that I loved reading this post. Great ideas, lovely language, and a breath of fresh air regarding community-discussed topics.

As there isn't really much I can do other than give my own input, I would like to say that as a part of the furry fandom, I'm definitely nowhere as deep as you would expect. I see a lot of people create masterful characters with amazing backstories that are great for roleplaying and just general branching out as an "individual" be it through whatever creative medium they prefer. In my case, I like to see my fursona as a bridge from me (the person behind the screen) to the community (all of you behind your screens) and it doesn't really get any deeper than that.

That said, I think that there's a different type of value that can be found from it. I strictly refrain from involving my character in any sort of "hardcore/fetishy/etc" content simply because I would like to treat him in the same way I treat myself.

Seeing all the furries with incredible little details for their fursonas, no matter if they're projections of themselves or not, has made me consider building some sort of "backstory" for my own fursona even though he is supposed to be me but with a fluffy image! In my case, I've been considering using Valryth as an outlet for certain passions/interests that I don't explore as much in real life due to having to choose between the things I invest in! There are a lot of things that I do with my life, but I wouldn't really want to have him be a carbon copy of me either! That was how I discovered that maybe I could have him branch out into his own character, even if his essence is still supposed to be me.

(That last paragraph is essentially a rant about why I may be considering this that OP has mentioned.)

About the sexualization, I... I don't really know? While I think that having these ideals is great, and this is definitely something I condone and would love seeing, I don't think that it's realistic at all? This ties in with something else that you have said, which was

"I would just like to see the true face of this community that, at this pace, we are never going to see."

The problem with such a statement is that your intent is in fact genuine and understandable, but we cannot deny that what we currently see is the true face of the community. There is no way around it. The people who joined because they like anthro characters, the people who joined because they like uncommon fetishes, the people who joined because they love roleplaying, they love the art, they love the porn, they love parts of the community, the ideologies... This is all the true face of the community.

Some people are in fact the way you mentioned. But some aren't and they never will be. Actually, I would go as far as to say that most aren't and they won't ever change.

And that is okay!

I share your mindset and I would love to see that positive change in the fandom, but I think that this is something we won't be seeing anytime soon. The fandom is going through some sort of snowball effect, where it's gaining so much notoriety as a haven for people who want a different from of sexual expression that it will inevitably grow to become that way, because those who seek such a thing hear all this talk about our community and join for those reasons! It's really inevitable, and it's a weird sort of self-fulfilling prophecy. Just how stuff works!

I think that perserverance is the most important thing. Keep creating your characters. Keep showing people that you can make a proper backstory for your fursona. Show people who aren't in the fandom for the same reasons as you what your reasons are, and who knows, maybe they'll discover that there is in fact this side to the fandom and may be attracted to it too!

(I am extremely sleepy and I'm not sure if any of this makes sense, but I really loved the thread and writing this was a nice mental exercise. Thank you.)

Nicely said!

My sona my choice

*chokes on soda* Oh my god, I didn't know I needed this.
 

Valryth

Do clouds look down and think I'm one of them?
I always found this concept extremely creepy, but that may be the 11+ year forum roleplayer in me talking. As with roleplay it was almost always seen as a negative when portraying yourself through a character due to how much drama and escapism (gee, whaddya know?) could result from it. It also made everything that happened with your character that much more sensitively taken, which in a lot of ways could be psychologically damaging for the individuals that didn't know how to separate themselves from their characters properly. While I'm not saying this mindset can't be done healthily - I am saying that it can be really difficult to stay healthy in the long run without any historical, psychological, or personality differences between you and the creation. The power of the mind is a strange, strange thing.

I could write a lot about this, but I definitely have the habit of taking too long to say something very simple, so I'll try to do my best at explaining the point of view of someone who stands on the opposite side of that spectrum!

To me, the furry community has a lot of things which I appreciate and would like to get in touch with! (Roleplay is certainly not one of them, by the way.)

Furries have fursonas, that's pretty much how they interact! I love the art too, and I adore the idea of having my own fursona that I can use as a representation of me as part of the furry community, so I guess it was inevitable that I would want to do the same!

What I enjoy the most about furries is their creativity. The mindset you can find in some of them. Some people stand out by being incredibly interesting individuals, and this is something that I would love to get in touch with! I think that while roleplay is entertaining, it wouldn't really sate my desire of meeting others which is truly what brings me here in the first place!

Ironically... I would say that one personal interpretation of a fursona is taking off your mask.

You hide behind the face of a cartoonish animal, yet you are able to be your truest self under this alias. Maybe you're even comfortable with showing how you look like as a human, who knows, but that doesn't really matter as much. You are able to be who you are.

That's my approach to this, and I'm not really sure if this is a common outlook on the whole fursona thing, but if it is, then I'm sure it makes sense to some people that they wouldn't really want to attach a completely different soul to this "mask" when they're only wearing it to try and let their true colours shine out as bright as possible!

///once again, I'm under the effect of an outrageous amount of sleepiness and I may wake up to this tomorrow and see how none of it actually made any sense, but I really hope that this managed to clarify why some people like to express themselves through their fursonas this way? I really want to thank you for posting the message I quoted though, it actually made me consider and reconsider the reasons as to why I participate in this community in the first place, and introspection is always an awesome thing!
 

Raever

Chaotic Neutral Wreckage
///once again, I'm under the effect of an outrageous amount of sleepiness and I may wake up to this tomorrow and see how none of it actually made any sense, but I really hope that this managed to clarify why some people like to express themselves through their fursonas this way? I really want to thank you for posting the message I quoted though, it actually made me consider and reconsider the reasons as to why I participate in this community in the first place, and introspection is always an awesome thing!

You made sense. I think part of the beauty is that everyone will always have their own way of looking at things in regards to Sona's. While there are some obvious limits, like having a grasp of reality, overall how one define's a Sona and how they use it will always be unique to the individual - and that's pretty awesome.
 

DingRawD

floofy
Do what you want with your sona, as long as it's legal. Whole point of your fursona is to be creative and experimental.
My sona has been sexualised/fetishized loads of times by my girlfriend and drawn. I don't mind it, and it's none of your concern.
 

Raever

Chaotic Neutral Wreckage
You can't really convince people to stop making porn of their characters.

This is the equivalent of trying to convince any fandom to stop making porn, period.
Rule 34 baby!

Tis a powerful law indeed.

Though that stated I think the OP doesn't want people to necessarily pull a complete stop, rather they wanna find more people who have deep and meaningful characters and stories (maybe even a bit of porn with plot kind of stuff?). Though I can't read minds, that's just what I've taken from the original post. It doesn't seem angry, just sad and fed up with a "lack" of creativity it seems, and to be fair, I can't really blame them.

Do I agree with everything they said?
No.

Do I want more depth and meaning put into things, or to find more characters with said effort?
Would be cool to see. Hence my suggestion of a badass creative group.
 
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TyraWadman

The Brutally Honest Man-Child
I always found this concept extremely creepy, but that may be the 11+ year forum roleplayer in me talking. As with roleplay it was almost always seen as a negative when portraying yourself through a character due to how much drama and escapism (gee, whaddya know?) could result from it. It also made everything that happened with your character that much more sensitively taken, which in a lot of ways could be psychologically damaging for the individuals that didn't know how to separate themselves from their characters properly. While I'm not saying this mindset can't be done healthily - I am saying that it can be really difficult to stay healthy in the long run without any historical, psychological, or personality differences between you and the creation. The power of the mind is a strange, strange thing.

This makes NSFW artists and NSFW commissioners everywhere look like pathetic anxiety ridden hermits, and I can only assume that the people actually doing this are few and far between compared to the ones who are doing it for the simple sexual fun of it. Mostly because a lot of Furries I meet tend to be functioning adults who are more than capable of flirting, chilling, and hanging out with fellow human beings. This misconception that "a lot of furries can't function so they use art to substitute" is honestly disgusting to me, and a little offensive to the community as a whole when you think about it. Then again, maybe I'm just being sensitive. :p


This! More times than I can count!!! Even after leaving the RP communities, I still see journals and art pages (furry or otherwise) where people pour their heart and souls into forging some sort of 'barbie-doll' version of themselves (to put it crudely/bluntly) and then crumble when it isn't well-received. Even if I'm just replying in-character, they still cry and accuse me of attacking them personally and try to get me banned. Apparently everyone is supposed to be sunshine and rainbows and everyone should be willing to sleep with everyone, except my giant lobster robot with a maniacle mad-scientist shrimp performing maintenance in his torso because thats just weiiiird! My persona's habits and looks are based off of me, and there are real-life experiences I've twisted to fit the theme and genre of her story, but she isn't me.

Most of the furries I encounter/have interacted with are those who choose to lose touch with reality because they can't seem to realize that they can be this confident, decent individual. They just have to actually try. This, along with the porn, is the only thing I've ever known about them. No wait. There's also the excuse of 'I'm furry because there's more variety to have sex with' which is just... a whole other discussion. 'Cause last I checked, chickadees aren't trying to mount elephants.

Some people stand out by being incredibly interesting individuals, and this is something that I would love to get in touch with!

Such as yourself? UuU (desu~)

You hide behind the face of a cartoonish animal, yet you are able to be your truest self under this alias. Maybe you're even comfortable with showing how you look like as a human, who knows, but that doesn't really matter as much. You are able to be who you are.

I'm not saying this is wrong, more or less adding to the discussion based on my own personal experiences. I grew up with some (what I would call) extremists. I thought it was fun to dabble in fantasy, and of course I went through my edgy phase. We all did. But I was one of the only people to grow out of it.

These people dedicated their time and ideas to something that would be cool- in a world where what if's and all of their desires could be achieved... but if they spent that same time just working on their own shitty personalities (like not biting people because you're jealous or pretending to date a fictional character that also beats/rapes you or stealing from others, or understanding why romanticizing Nazis is generally frowned upon) they could achieve this same, fantastical feeling in the real world. Magic and dragons might not be as epic or prevalent or magnificent as they used to be, but that doesn't mean you can't experience conflict or scenarios that establish bonds with complete strangers.

To me, and based on my experiences alone, it's hard for me not to assume that other furries will also use this escapism to dodge accountability in general. But I try not to be bitter. I at least know there is a 0.01% of the community that doesn't do this.
 

Limedragon27

Well-Known Member
This problem is, indeed, something that would be very difficult to fix, requiring a change of heart of an entire unison of furries to have any positive impact. What I will touch upon, however, can do just about anyone-

Everyone should do their best to develop as people, as an unison of a subculture that has deep roots and equally massive potential.

I would just like to see the true face of this community that, at this pace, we are never going to see.

The problem with the statement of how the community can/should change is two things.

1. The reason why porn is skyrocket in the Furry community is that generally, it's porn that brings in the viewers, the commenters, and most importantly, the money, nearly all big-time artists and various smaller artists draw porn because it gets them more views, more views get more commissioners and more support on things like patron, and with that generates more revenue. Not every artist draws for the sake of money of course, but it's a big factor of why porn art is the most popular. Not to mention if you're a roleplayer, you're more likely to get pms and rp requests if your character has porn art suppose to not, people generally look at that before anything else.

2. Expecting and wanting a collection of different people to change their minds and actions is a very, very bad and inefficient thing to do. In general, people don't want to change their minds/actions just to appease other people if it's something their comfortable and want to do. In the case of Furries, altering what you want to do in the fandom, the characters you make and the art you commission, just to appease eyes outside the fandom is a stupid thing to do. It's because if you're operating just to appease people who aren't even in the community then what would be the point of being in the community? Fact of the matter is people tend to do what they want, no matter what random strangers online thinks.
 

Raever

Chaotic Neutral Wreckage
This! More times than I can count!!! Even after leaving the RP communities, I still see journals and art pages (furry or otherwise) where people pour their heart and souls into forging some sort of 'barbie-doll' version of themselves (to put it crudely/bluntly) and then crumble when it isn't well-received. Even if I'm just replying in-character, they still cry and accuse me of attacking them personally and try to get me banned. Apparently everyone is supposed to be sunshine and rainbows and everyone should be willing to sleep with everyone, except my giant lobster robot with a maniacle mad-scientist shrimp performing maintenance in his torso because thats just weiiiird! My persona's habits and looks are based off of me, and there are real-life experiences I've twisted to fit the theme and genre of her story, but she isn't me.

Most of the furries I encounter/have interacted with are those who choose to lose touch with reality because they can't seem to realize that they can be this confident, decent individual. They just have to actually try. This, along with the porn, is the only thing I've ever known about them. No wait. There's also the excuse of 'I'm furry because there's more variety to have sex with' which is just... a whole other discussion. 'Cause last I checked, chickadees aren't trying to mount elephants.


I'm not saying this is wrong, more or less adding to the discussion based on my own personal experiences. I grew up with some (what I would call) extremists. I thought it was fun to dabble in fantasy, and of course I went through my edgy phase. We all did. But I was one of the only people to grow out of it.

These people dedicated their time and ideas to something that would be cool- in a world where what if's and all of their desires could be achieved... but if they spent that same time just working on their own shitty personalities (like not biting people because you're jealous or pretending to date a fictional character that also beats/rapes you or stealing from others, or understanding why romanticizing Nazis is generally frowned upon) they could achieve this same, fantastical feeling in the real world. Magic and dragons might not be as epic or prevalent or magnificent as they used to be, but that doesn't mean you can't experience conflict or scenarios that establish bonds with complete strangers.

To me, and based on my experiences alone, it's hard for me not to assume that other furries will also use this escapism to dodge accountability in general. But I try not to be bitter. I at least know there is a 0.01% of the community that doesn't do this.

I've experienced similar, and agree with you for the most part. Hence my statements above.

I think that there is issue to be taken with those who get far too into the roleplay scene, and people who pretend to be their characters whenever they're online without any break whatsoever can be considered roleplayers too - even if they don't officially roleplay. Not only is it excessive, but it's quite...unhealthy, to a degree. I'm all for a character existing for the purpose of art (sex art included, you do you man) but at the very least maintain a healthy mental seperation so you aren't offended by every little thing. Though, this is extremely off topic in regards to the original post so I'll drop it here.
 

The-Courier

Dreamer of Cheese
This! More times than I can count!!! Even after leaving the RP communities, I still see journals and art pages (furry or otherwise) where people pour their heart and souls into forging some sort of 'barbie-doll' version of themselves (to put it crudely/bluntly) and then crumble when it isn't well-received. Even if I'm just replying in-character, they still cry and accuse me of attacking them personally and try to get me banned. Apparently everyone is supposed to be sunshine and rainbows and everyone should be willing to sleep with everyone, except my giant lobster robot with a maniacle mad-scientist shrimp performing maintenance in his torso because thats just weiiiird! My persona's habits and looks are based off of me, and there are real-life experiences I've twisted to fit the theme and genre of her story, but she isn't me.

Most of the furries I encounter/have interacted with are those who choose to lose touch with reality because they can't seem to realize that they can be this confident, decent individual. They just have to actually try. This, along with the porn, is the only thing I've ever known about them. No wait. There's also the excuse of 'I'm furry because there's more variety to have sex with' which is just... a whole other discussion. 'Cause last I checked, chickadees aren't trying to mount elephants.



Such as yourself? UuU (desu~)



I'm not saying this is wrong, more or less adding to the discussion based on my own personal experiences. I grew up with some (what I would call) extremists. I thought it was fun to dabble in fantasy, and of course I went through my edgy phase. We all did. But I was one of the only people to grow out of it.

These people dedicated their time and ideas to something that would be cool- in a world where what if's and all of their desires could be achieved... but if they spent that same time just working on their own shitty personalities (like not biting people because you're jealous or pretending to date a fictional character that also beats/rapes you or stealing from others, or understanding why romanticizing Nazis is generally frowned upon) they could achieve this same, fantastical feeling in the real world. Magic and dragons might not be as epic or prevalent or magnificent as they used to be, but that doesn't mean you can't experience conflict or scenarios that establish bonds with complete strangers.

To me, and based on my experiences alone, it's hard for me not to assume that other furries will also use this escapism to dodge accountability in general. But I try not to be bitter. I at least know there is a 0.01% of the community that doesn't do this.

I try to separate sona from actual characters as much as I can. I tend to run into a lot of people in RP communities that are unable to separate reality from fiction (I've actually had these people get me banned or straight up start a flame war with me in the middle of OOC chat because my character being a dick to their's was completely within his personality).
That being said, having an actual sona and not just random human character number forty-three-thousand is entirely new territory for me and I'm learning as I go.
 

Valryth

Do clouds look down and think I'm one of them?
This! More times than I can count!!! Even after leaving the RP communities, I still see journals and art pages (furry or otherwise) where people pour their heart and souls into forging some sort of 'barbie-doll' version of themselves (to put it crudely/bluntly) and then crumble when it isn't well-received. Even if I'm just replying in-character, they still cry and accuse me of attacking them personally and try to get me banned. Apparently everyone is supposed to be sunshine and rainbows and everyone should be willing to sleep with everyone, except my giant lobster robot with a maniacle mad-scientist shrimp performing maintenance in his torso because thats just weiiiird! My persona's habits and looks are based off of me, and there are real-life experiences I've twisted to fit the theme and genre of her story, but she isn't me.

Most of the furries I encounter/have interacted with are those who choose to lose touch with reality because they can't seem to realize that they can be this confident, decent individual. They just have to actually try. This, along with the porn, is the only thing I've ever known about them. No wait. There's also the excuse of 'I'm furry because there's more variety to have sex with' which is just... a whole other discussion. 'Cause last I checked, chickadees aren't trying to mount elephants.



Such as yourself? UuU (desu~)



I'm not saying this is wrong, more or less adding to the discussion based on my own personal experiences. I grew up with some (what I would call) extremists. I thought it was fun to dabble in fantasy, and of course I went through my edgy phase. We all did. But I was one of the only people to grow out of it.

These people dedicated their time and ideas to something that would be cool- in a world where what if's and all of their desires could be achieved... but if they spent that same time just working on their own shitty personalities (like not biting people because you're jealous or pretending to date a fictional character that also beats/rapes you or stealing from others, or understanding why romanticizing Nazis is generally frowned upon) they could achieve this same, fantastical feeling in the real world. Magic and dragons might not be as epic or prevalent or magnificent as they used to be, but that doesn't mean you can't experience conflict or scenarios that establish bonds with complete strangers.

To me, and based on my experiences alone, it's hard for me not to assume that other furries will also use this escapism to dodge accountability in general. But I try not to be bitter. I at least know there is a 0.01% of the community that doesn't do this.

This is actually very interesting, and I wasn't expecting you to pry so deep!

(And, well... Thank you for the compliment, heh.)

Honestly, I have to agree with you. There's a huge amount of people trying to make their "irl-based fursona" have every single positive trait imaginable as a weird form of overcompensating for that which they are not, and as expected, that's a "castle of cards" situation where the slightest thing makes it all crumble down and leads them to frustration! But this actually touches a different subject which I wouldn't really want to explore right now, but it's ultimately the fact that a trend within the furry community is that people try to use their furry identity to cover up every single character flaw they have and see it as positive reinforcement for bad behaviour as opposed to simply trying to work on things that are objectively intolerable. (Don't want to seem like I'm above everyone or anything, I'm definitely quite flawed myself!)

It does make sense that the forums attract a more mature crowd, however! I'm glad I stick around because there's definitely a bigger slice of the furry community that I enjoy on here.
 

Ovidia Dragoness

Udder Derg
Banned
Tldr. Sorry. You're really getting your panties in a twist over this. Anyone can do whatever they want. I'd like to see you go after women for "sexualizing" themselves for showing, how dare I even speak of it, legs and shoulders. Gasp For real though. Take a chill pill please.
 

Foxy Emy

*Mischivious Noises*
'Aight! Listen up.

Every character we write is a part of us. They come from our imagination, so there is no escaping it. But there is a difference between a character that is a figment of yourself personified and a character that is your idealized self.

There is nothing wrong with pouring your heart and soul into a character that is representation of how you see yourself. Just DON'T RP with them!

Nothing wrong with them existing in your head canon, written works, or other types of art. But for goodness sake, RP stands for "role playing..." As in playing a role you would not in real life.
 

KnightsSorrow

Well-Known Member
Tldr. Sorry. You're really getting your panties in a twist over this. Anyone can do whatever they want. I'd like to see you go after women for "sexualizing" themselves for showing, how dare I even speak of it, legs and shoulders. Gasp For real though. Take a chill pill please.
Shoulders and legs? How scandalous! A lady should not show off her ankle, let alone a leg. Even an ankle is most improper and can lead men to impure thoughts.

Though seriously, if it's your fursona, your OC, or escapism... let it be to you what you need it to be. If you want a plethora of characters with backstories in a breathing world, free of smut and lewdness, do that. If you want a hyper sexual and promiscuous fursona to live out fantasies that you know you'll never act out in real life, do that.

You do you. Or in some cases, you do your fursona.
 
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