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RANT: Stop oversexualizing your fursonas; treat them like characters.

Skittles

Queen of FaF. Empress of Fløøf.
Raaaawr?
 

ConorHyena

nazi hunter
People should do what makes them happy. If it is being the fandom slut, all powers to them.
My personal opinion is that I really don't need another space in my life where I have to worry about what others think of me. If someone decides to dislike another because of the amount of NSFW artwork I do or do not have, sure, that's fine. If people go public to ostracize these people ("you have too much NSFW artwork and that makes your character shallow") I personally think that pushes the ridiculous boundary.

Other than that, people really should stop giving a fuck about the 'public perception of this fandom' I mean, it's not like the furry fandom is up for election or smth. Remember that quite a lot of people still think call of duty makes you go commit crimes.
 

Valryth

Do clouds look down and think I'm one of them?
I actually appreciate you bringing things up. While to some it could have come across as judgemental and brash, to me it was just a writer being passionate about their community and how things are presented in it. Maybe I'm biased myself - being a fellow writer, - but it certainly didn't feel like a negative post, and it got people talking. Overall it feels like a successful thread in my book, just gotta work on the wordplay a bit more and you'll be golden.

I definitely agree with you! I'm actually quite glad that OP created this thread and that it got the traction that it did (the plethora of replies are more than enough evidence that these topics are always going to be very torn because of how diverse the community is).

Thanks for all the responses, everyone! This post really got a lot of attention over one night, flew way above my expectations. Whilst I'm happy this didn't die with two comments, the three pages are kind of counteractive, too. I wish I could go claw-to-claw with every response, but there really don't seem to be the resources to do so. I'll try to refer to things in general instead.

Some of the comments made me realize that I should have titled this "Please consider focusing on more meaningful parts of your characters instead of sexuality." With emphasis on "please". I get how people see this as an angry, kind of bossy rant about how people should and should not be acting; this wasn't really my intention. Yes, it is your choice what path you're going to take and what decisions you want to make, I'm fine with that. That's what makes creativity and the ambiguity of life so fun. All this was more of a suggestion for people to consider taking up some deeper development for their fursonas and stories. Doesn't take a detective to realise I'm a sucker for writing, and equally so for reading, much less for sex; it's why I don't only consider my suggestion fresh and interesting, but also helpful and productive for the creator themself. On the other side, however, some people considering it boring and time-wasting instead. That's why it's a suggestion, I can't really force people's perspectives, can I?

And the arrogancy with which some people responded (especially the "Make me" responses, very mature) makes me question just how enraged and furious I sounded myself; I really did get my panties in a twist, didn't I? /s
Even then, it was fun to listen to the other side of the argument since, I must agree, I'm wrong in some parts.

Oh and thanks Raever and Valryth for having some of the nicer comments here. V's notice of how this IS the true face of the community made me question my own beliefs, I'll consider this. Either way I'm not sure how to put this without sounding biased, since you're partly on my side, so I'll just leave it like this.


All of this is more fun than I had anticipated, thanks ^^

yeah i posted this too early a second before, sorry

I definitely need to thank you too, while I may have said what I said, they were all ideas that started to boil after reading the content of this thread! So I think that you really did make us think about things in a different way and (in my case, at least) taught us something new! That's why talking about these things is always important.

Sure, you may have seemed "biased" in your post. But it was needed so that we could consider things from the side of what is obviously a vocal minority within the fandom, one that we don't even always acknowledge as such! It's a really good thing to learn about different points of view.

Honestly, I get you! You expressed yourself quite well, even though I can also see why some people may have been completely skeptical towards your original post too...

Either way, you left me with a little something to think about, so I'd like to say that this thread was pretty great! Hopefully you may have learned something new yourself, that's always important!
 

FluffyShutterbug

Bleat??? Bleat!!!
This one has been sitting in my mind for some time now, and after some consideration I decided to share my thoughts. It'll go on for a second, but don't be too concerned.



I have to give the spotlight to the problem of pornography and its prevalence within the furry community. Known to everyone, there's no need to discuss how this trend makes our (very talented) subculture look disgusting and unappealing to normal people, along with the effect it has on younger viewers - all of this has been covered many times already.

This problem is, indeed, something that would be very difficult to fix, requiring a change of heart of an entire unison of furries to have any positive impact. What I will touch upon, however, can do just about anyone-


-Anyone who one day sat down and decided to take it upon themselves to create a character to call their own: a piece of their own mind, their interests, loves and hates; an artistic embodiment of themselves. Whether it was for a story, a piece of art, to honour someone, as respect of the person they will never be or simply out of boredom - the sheer possibilities of creating someone new, piece-by-piece, are endless.

Think of the last book, or any piece of poetry, that you had invested yourself in. Think of the character, that one gem unique to you, the only character out of the abundance of faces that made you feel. Maybe it made you laugh? Cry? Sit down and ponder about yourself, the world you live in? A character you would love to meet in person, and spend many cheerful moments with? That is this power.

...and you would be disappointed to notice just how much of it goes to waste trying to make characters look. Many celebrity-lookalikes of furry characters are famous and well-known thanks to their visual appearance and abundant sexual art. And what do you gain from it? Sure, the visual and sexual excitement will make you feel again, but for how long? Masturbation, and this kind of entertainment, has never known to be fulfilling, has it? You know its feeling of emptiness; it does not help anything.


Instead, imagine converting all the hours of making your character "hot" into making them deep. I don't like this term either, but you know what I mean: giving them a backstory, in-depth emotions and their behaviour, maybe other characters related to them? Hell, create them an entire world of their own - who can stop you?

Simply sit down and think of the lack of respect for such creations, the love they never get. Why, you don't even have to treat them as figments of your imagination - how about seeing them as they would be a human? Every human, even the greyest, most generic face has something to tell, some piece of their past to share, their childhood, what made them them. Why should characters be looked down upon as just another shallow face? It does not help anything.


Instead, an inspiring character can change someone's life. Back then, the realisation of this fact made me shiver. Is it far-fetched? Maybe. Is it impossible? Never. It is only so when you give up on it or overlook it completely.

But if you're humble, or just not that sure of yourself, you don't instantly have to change someone's entire existence. Maybe simply make them happy? Give them something interesting, deep, entertaining to read; a character to look into further and further, their own rabbit-hole for the ones most interested in your creations. Touching the very own brain, heart, feelings of a person is undoubtedly more engaging than making someone feel aroused.


Even when ignoring others, building a character with your own heart is far from hurtful. It would let you see again, see value in such creations, create a bond with a piece of yourself. This deep, developing feeling is, actually, the exact opposite of the brief, sexual satisfaction everyone knows, but hates.

Now, don't call me some old, purism supremacist. I'm all behind keeping the sexual part in our community; as in others, it's an entire part of its own, deleting it would be counteractive. However, toning it down and letting productive actions take its place would help the community as it is.



Everyone should do their best to develop as people, as an unison of a subculture that has deep roots and equally massive potential.

I would just like to see the true face of this community that, at this pace, we are never going to see.


Thanks.
I'm proudly sex-positive, so I have a few words to share.
I ended up discovering the NSFW side of the furry fandom long before I discovered and fell in love with the SFW side of it. The adult stuff hooked me in, and only once that stuff had my attention, I was able to fall in love with the other stuff.
I have a problem with you saying that we should tone down the sexual nature of the fandom to appease people who hate us and likely will always hate us until the end of time. And honestly, I feel like our time is better spent trying to repair the sex-averse attitudes that still linger in the west instead of kowtowing to people who hate any form of free expression that doesn't appeal to conservative Baby Boomers.
I also have a problem with you saying that since the lion's share of my character's artwork is NSFW, that means my fursona has no character whatsoever. The opposite is true. Jamie has a rich backstory which involves tragically losing his mother when he was 6 years old and getting cursed with a were form as a result of the archaeological accident his mother got into. But, none of that matters because most of my art of my character is intended for an adult audience?
At the end of the day, if you don't like porn, don't look at it. If you want the SFW side of the fandom to grow, by all means, help it grow! I actually agree that we need a stronger SFW element to the fandom so that minors and asexuals can play a bigger part in our community. But, I draw the line at toning down the sex-positive nature of the fandom. I know that you seem to find it irritating and shallow and frivolous, but people who enjoy it aren't all Glenn Quagmire; I find it to be a spiritual and healing experience. So, please, just let people do what they like as long as it's not harming others; live and let live.
 

FluffyShutterbug

Bleat??? Bleat!!!
Other than that, people really should stop giving a fuck about the 'public perception of this fandom' I mean, it's not like the furry fandom is up for election or smth. Remember that quite a lot of people still think call of duty makes you go commit crimes.
I know, right!? Why can't people just do what makes them happy instead of pleasing total strangers who live shallow and miserable lives.
In my experience, people who are super-judgemental tend to have vapid and empty lives and can only validate themselves through the appearance of being "normal" and mocking "degenerates".
We have to normalize being different in society instead of conforming to whatever the hivemind deems to be "normal".
 

dragonofdestiny

Thousand-faced dragoness
BUT I do enjoy drawing some of them being sexy hot and with NSFW side stories... and I won't feel bad about that. =(
I also have a problem with you saying that since the lion's share of my character's artwork is NSFW, that means my fursona has no character whatsoever.

Admittedly, I forgot to address this possibility where someone has both sexual and artistic prowess in their characters. There's no point for me in denying the fact, that bearing both sides still makes you shallow. It doesn't. Sorry.

I have a problem with you saying that we should tone down the sexual nature of the fandom to appease people who hate us and likely will always hate us until the end of time.

You clearly misunderstood me. In my head, the point of toning down the seuxal side would be to focus on something more meaningful (I've already covered what that would be, what would be its advantages etc.), not to make outside people look at us normally again.

Additionally:

I know, right!? Why can't people just do what makes them happy instead of pleasing total strangers who live shallow and miserable lives.
In my experience, people who are super-judgemental tend to have vapid and empty lives and can only validate themselves through the appearance of being "normal" and mocking "degenerates".
We have to normalize being different in society instead of conforming to whatever the hivemind deems to be "normal".

I'm all behind being open about your furry side, I'm just as acceptive of it as with other subcultures and ideas, like otherkin. They make everyday life and everyday people more fun and interesting, at the cost of standing out from the rest (is it even a cost?). But some furries act overly sexual and don't keep it to themselves to a reasonable point when interacting with outside people, making these people look down badly upon us, generalizing us with stereotypes they gained from looking at the ones that are most without these reasonable borders.

Then what happens to normal, casual furries who just want to enjoy the art and poetry and ideas of the subculture, along with being open to others about it? They get struck down with the same, disgusting sexual stigma, which's image has been given to them by ucontrollable-sexually individuals.

That's
what I mean; I don't mean to hold your tongue to hide your beliefs, but instead to hide what is otherwise socially and morally unacceptable, so that others can keep their image intact. Not everyone new to the fandom has as much resilience as a veteran, and such attitude from others is discouraging.
 

FluffyShutterbug

Bleat??? Bleat!!!
Admittedly, I forgot to address this possibility where someone has both sexual and artistic prowess in their characters. There's no point for me in denying the fact, that bearing both sides still makes you shallow. It doesn't. Sorry.
How does enjoying sex make you automatically shallow? I don't get it.
You clearly misunderstood me. In my head, the point of toning down the seuxal side would be to focus on something more meaningful (I've already covered what that would be, what would be its advantages etc.), not to make outside people look at us normally again.
Now, that's just a completely subjective opinion. If you really want to follow this argument to its extreme, one could argue that adults shouldn't even be furries anyway. Obviously, I hate the "It's just for kids!" argument with a burning passion, but it's up to the individual to determine what constitutes time being spent "meaningfully".
I'm all behind being open about your furry side, I'm just as acceptive of it as with other subcultures and ideas, like otherkin. They make everyday life and everyday people more fun and interesting, at the cost of standing out from the rest (is it even a cost?). But some furries act overly sexual and don't keep it to themselves to a reasonable point when interacting with outside people, making these people look down badly upon us, generalizing us with stereotypes they gained from looking at the ones that are most without these reasonable borders.

Then what happens to normal, casual furries who just want to enjoy the art and poetry and ideas of the subculture, along with being open to others about it? They get struck down with the same, disgusting sexual stigma, which's image has been given to them by ucontrollable-sexually individuals.

That's
what I mean; I don't mean to hold your tongue to hide your beliefs, but instead to hide what is otherwise socially and morally unacceptable, so that others can keep their image intact. Not everyone new to the fandom has as much resilience as a veteran, and such attitude from others is discouraging.
But, you said earlier that we shouldn't care about what outsiders said, only to say that SFW furries are getting mocked by normies and that NSFW furries should change to "clean up" the fandom's image.

Forgive me if I'm being a bit testy, but this isn't sitting right with me. It's one thing to find pornography irritating. But it's something else to sneer at those who enjoy it.
There's a fine line between airing your opinions and telling others how they should behave, and you're really struggling to remain on the former side.
 
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Purplefuzz

Guest
But, you said earlier that we shouldn't care about what outsiders said, only to say that SFW furries are getting mocked by normies and that NSFW furries should change to "clean up" the fandom's image.

Forgive me if I'm being a bit testy, but this isn't sitting right with me. It's one thing to find pornography irritating. But it's something else to sneer at those who enjoy it.
There's a fine line between airing your opinions and telling others how they should behave, and you're really struggling to remain on the former side.

What i find telling the ones who dislike porn/yiff online. Are same creeps that will moan about it, And in many cases raid NSFW groups. While saying that furries are annoying about shoving their views on others & need to shut up?.

Hellbent prettty much did that in 5+ of his streams, Then joked how his buddy raided a second life group for being porn based(maybe a furry one)?.
 

Skittles

Queen of FaF. Empress of Fløøf.
I'm here to voice my opinion that everybody's fursonas should be even sexier. :}
I am actually adding more layers of clothing. Because Lolita Squirlf! Ha!
 

ClumsyWitch

Occult Vulpalope
What i find telling the ones who dislike porn/yiff online. Are same creeps that will moan about it, And in many cases raid NSFW groups. While saying that furries are annoying about shoving their views on others & need to shut up?.
I personally dislike NSFW furry content myself, but that doesn't mean I need to be a creep who ruins other peoples fun.
 

FluffyShutterbug

Bleat??? Bleat!!!
I personally dislike NSFW furry content myself, but that doesn't mean I need to be a creep who ruins other peoples fun.
That's essentially what I said. (Minus the part about not liking NSFW stuff) I personally think that the SFW side needs to be grown and better represented because I feel like it'd improve inclusiveness. But we don't have to dilute the NSFW side to make that happen. Both the "clean" and "dirty "sides of the furry fandom can co-exist.
 

Sarachaga

Definitely not a lizard
As someone that has 0 interest in the nsfw side of the fandom, I can say this:
You do you fam.
 

Ovidia Dragoness

Udder Derg
Banned
Admittedly, I forgot to address this possibility where someone has both sexual and artistic prowess in their characters. There's no point for me in denying the fact, that bearing both sides still makes you shallow. It doesn't. Sorry.



You clearly misunderstood me. In my head, the point of toning down the seuxal side would be to focus on something more meaningful (I've already covered what that would be, what would be its advantages etc.), not to make outside people look at us normally again.

Additionally:



I'm all behind being open about your furry side, I'm just as acceptive of it as with other subcultures and ideas, like otherkin. They make everyday life and everyday people more fun and interesting, at the cost of standing out from the rest (is it even a cost?). But some furries act overly sexual and don't keep it to themselves to a reasonable point when interacting with outside people, making these people look down badly upon us, generalizing us with stereotypes they gained from looking at the ones that are most without these reasonable borders.

Then what happens to normal, casual furries who just want to enjoy the art and poetry and ideas of the subculture, along with being open to others about it? They get struck down with the same, disgusting sexual stigma, which's image has been given to them by ucontrollable-sexually individuals.

That's
what I mean; I don't mean to hold your tongue to hide your beliefs, but instead to hide what is otherwise socially and morally unacceptable, so that others can keep their image intact. Not everyone new to the fandom has as much resilience as a veteran, and such attitude from others is discouraging.
You know. I used to be a dick. I got upset one time because of the stigma of all furries being autistic. So I would make a fuss in threads about autistic furries. That was fucking horrible of me to do. But I have a feeling you could learn from my story. This is just the way things are. You have to deal with it. If people are upset about them being labeled as fetishists for being a furry, it just kinda goes with being a furry. Really if it makes you upset, you're the one who placed the label on yourself. No one else did.
 
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