Religion in the Furry Community

[kiitsune]

I want people to be reasonable. I don't have an issue with people who keep personal beliefs personal but reasonable people don't believe in unfalsifiable claims that aren't backed up by any evidence. If you do you are not reasonable.

We keep them personal but it's Atheists who beg attention from Christians. Just ignore people who you think are not reasonable because they are not gonna change.

 

[CaptainCool]

We keep them personal but it's Atheists who beg attention from Christians. Just ignore people who you think are not reasonable because they are not gonna change.

So you want me to ignore that the pope went to Africa to tell people there that condoms are worse than AIDS because the monster in the sky told him so, ruining YEARS of educational work?
Or that a court in Germany recently ruled that muslims and jews are still allowed to mutilate their kids by having their foreskin chopped off?
Of course I'll ignore people who leave me alone with religion. But I am not just an atheist, I am also an anti-theist. I hate religion and I want it gone because I see it as one of the most evil things humanity has ever come up with.

 

[Hakar Kerarmor]

We keep them personal but it's Atheists who beg attention from Christians. Just ignore people who you think are not reasonable because they are not gonna change.

Is it opposite day again?

 

[kiitsune]

So you want me to ignore that the pope went to Africa to tell people there that condoms are worse than AIDS because the monster in the sky told him so, ruining YEARS of educational work?
Or that a court in Germany recently ruled that muslims and jews are still allowed to mutilate their kids by having their foreskin chopped off?
Of course I'll ignore people who leave me alone with religion. But I am not just an atheist, I am also an anti-theist. I hate religion and I want it gone because I see it as one of the most evil things humanity has ever come up with.

I agree with you but us normal Christians who don't do anything like that, don't hate us.

 

[CaptainCool]

I agree with you but us normal Christians who don't do anything like that, don't hate us.

I don't hate religious people, I hate religion. But I do hate idiots and bigots who actively spread lies, and in my eyes any religion is a lie.

Because when I see shit like this:

Then my reaction is kind of like this:

 

[Hakar Kerarmor]

I agree with you but us normal Christians who don't do anything like that, don't hate us.

And us normal atheists don't beg attention from Christians, right?

 

[Ayattar]

Burden of proof. Atheists claim that there is no convincing reason to believe in god, not that no god exists.

You can believe in god only for as long as there is no convincing evidence, because where is knowledge, there is no faith. If you know something, then you can no longer believe in it, it's technically impossible. Proving that god exist would be actually one of the worst things you could do to any true believers, since having faith is the most important thing in all major religions.

So you want me to ignore that the pope went to Africa to tell people there that condoms are worse than AIDS because the monster in the sky told him so, ruining YEARS of educational work?

Again with that crap. He also told them to not to fuck. Did they listened to him? No. They cherrypicked, so fuck them.

Then my reaction is kind of like this:

Thank you for the cancer Q.Q

 

[Hakar Kerarmor]

No. They cherrypicked, so fuck them.

With or without a condom?

 

[Ayattar]

With or without a condom?

With. I want to die because of furry-induced cancer, not AIDS.

 

[tisr]

You can believe in god only for as long as there is no convincing evidence, because where is knowledge, there is no faith. If you know something, then you can no longer believe in it, it's technically impossible. Proving that god exist would be actually the worst thing you could do to any true believers, since having faith is the most important thing in all major religions.

Technically they can't believe in a god where there is no evidence, since faith is not a reasonable model to use when trying to determine the existence of a god. The most logical position is to assume with a lack of evidence is that it is impossible to determine the existence of a god. Though it is possible to disprove the existence of the Christian god, since the Christian god posesses innate logical contradictions(e.g. spaceless and timeless yet omnipresent, omniscient yet free will, omnipotent yet has Satan as a rival, omnibenevolent yet sends people to get tortured for eternity etc.)

 

[CaptainCool]

You can believe in god only for as long as there is no convincing evidence, because where is knowledge, there is no faith. If you know something, then you can no longer believe in it, it's technically impossible. Proving that god exist would be actually one of the worst things you could do to any true believers, since having faith is the most important thing in all major religions.



Again with that crap. He also told them to not to fuck. Did they listened to him? No. They cherrypicked, so fuck them.



Thank you for the cancer Q.Q

Yes, and faith is stupid because believing without evidence is dangerous and unreasonable.

How is that a good thing?! That is the issue with the fucking catholics, they only care about their disgusting doctrines and not one tiny bit about their followers.

You are welcome.

 

[Ayattar]

The most logical position

Umm... I don't think any kind of logic applies there. Faith is not logical, religion is not logical. Wait. I was using logic too. Shit, we're all wrong

How is that a good thing?! That is the issue with the fucking catholics, they only care about their disgusting doctrines and not one tiny bit about their followers.

You know, it isn't like anyone is forcing you to be a catholic, it's not radical islam. So if you want to cherrypick intentionally you better stop identyfing yourself with catholicism and start with christianity, if you need to.

 

[CaptainCool]

You know, it isn't like anyone is forcing you to be a catholic, it's not radical islam. So if you want to cherrypick intentionally you better stop identyfing yourself with catholicism and start with christianity, if you need to.

I'm not cherrypicking, I see all religions as evil. Christianity and the catholic church just influence my life, islam not so much.

 

[Fallowfox]

You can believe in god only for as long as there is no convincing evidence, because where is knowledge, there is no faith. If you know something, then you can no longer believe in it, it's technically impossible. Proving that god exist would be actually one of the worst things you could do to any true believers, since having faith is the most important thing in all major religions.



Again with that crap. He also told them to not to fuck. Did they listened to him? No. They cherrypicked, so fuck them.



Thank you for the cancer Q.Q

You're using the word 'belief' incorrectly. Belief doesn't mean 'something held true in spite of any evidence'. It merely means 'something held to be true'. 'I believe the moon orbits the earth', for example, would be a sound statement.

 

[Ayattar]

You're using the word 'belief' incorrectly. Belief doesn't mean 'something held true in spite of any evidence'. It merely means 'something held to be true'. 'I believe the moon orbits the earth', for example, would be a sound statement.

Then change it to faith. I'm sorry, it was lost in the translation, as belief and faith can be described by the same word in polish.

 

[CaptainCool]

Then change it to faith. I'm sorry, it was lost in the translation, as belief and faith can be described by the same word in polish.

Same here. But I like in English there is an extra word for it, makes it easier to point out stupid stuff.

Also:
[video=youtube;-evIyrrjTTY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY[/video]

 

[kiitsune]

And us normal atheists don't beg attention from Christians, right?

That too, maybe. Haven't done any research.

 

[Ayattar]

Also:

That's... hitlerrious! Also, more or less historically accurate and that is shocking.

 

[CaptainCool]

That's... hitlerrious! Also, more or less historically accurate and that is shocking.

Well I guess listing who killed who isn't so hard
But yeah, it is. Especially if you consider the time frame that the video covers...

 

[The young man in the cafe]

I think that modern physics is starting to resurrect ideas that were once associted with mysticism. Take the similarity between mathematical universe Hypothesis and Pythagoreanism, for example. MY point being that I think divinity exists and it's only a matter of time before science finds it, though I imagine religious folk will be disappointed when it doesn't match what they believe.

I myself am a panentheist with a belief in an unspecified afterlife (based on my own experience with a ghost). I also believe that animals have souls, since the ghost I encounter was my late dog Jordi.

 

[Fallowfox]

I think that modern physics is starting to resurrect ideas that were once associted with mysticism. Take the similarity between mathematical universe Hypothesis and Pythagoreanism, for example. MY point being that I think divinity exists and it's only a matter of time before science finds it, though I imagine religious folk will be disappointed when it doesn't match what they believe.

I myself am a panentheist with a belief in an unspecified afterlife (based on my own experience with a ghost). I also believe that animals have souls, since the ghost I encounter was my late dog Jordi.

Modern physics does not invoke mysticism. Remember that modern physics has been established by careful and meticulous skeptical thought and experimentation when possible.

That is not mysticism, and people who see mysticism in physics are interpreting the jargon as if it is spiritual poetry, rather than highly specific vocabulary. The kinds of people who really think they have met the ghosts of their dead pets, rather than considering the much more likely option that it was illusory- the option which requires no new physics to explain it.

No real ghost has ever been observed officially. Plenty of fake ghosts have been exposed though. What would you believe if someone else was putting forward the claim that they are being haunted by their dead hamster?

 

[The young man in the cafe]

Modern physics does not invoke mysticism. Remember that modern physics has been established by careful and meticulous skeptical thought and experimentation when possible.

That is not mysticism, and people who see mysticism in physics are interpreting the jargon as if it is spiritual poetry, rather than highly specific vocabulary. The kinds of people who really think they have met the ghosts of their dead pets, rather than considering the much more likely option that it was illusory- the option which requires no new physics to explain it.

No real ghost has ever been observed officially. Plenty of fake ghosts have been exposed though. What would you believe if someone else was putting forward the claim that they are being haunted by their dead hamster?

What I meant was that modern physics has been coming up with a few hypothesis similar to what mystics believed in the past, not that physics is intentionally invoking mysticism . Like I said, mathematical universe theory could be considered to physics what Pythagoras's beliefs were to mysticism. As for the ghost bit, the encounter was a one time thing. It happened the night after my dog died, I heard him running through the house and felt him jump up on my bed. I know what I experienced.

Now if you want a really unbelievable (but true) paranormal story from my family, there is the story of how my deadbeat dad saw the winning lottery numbers in a dream, but he didn't write them down so when he went to buy the ticket, he could only remember the first three numbers. But they were the right first three numbers, because he won $500. And I know this story is true because my mom confirmed it and she A. hates my deadbeat dad enough that she would never lie for him and B. is a hardcore skeptic herself, so she wouldn't claim to have shared in a paranormal experience unless it actually happened.

 

[tisr]

I read up on Pythagoranism, and how is that even vaguely related to Mathematical Universe Theory?
For one, most of the things in Pythagoreanism have been proven to be false/cannot be proven because it is unfalsifiable.
Reminds me a whole lot about the whole Spirit Science things where they take abstract mathematical constructs and try to mesh it in with the physical world without a justification for why and how such a thing is done.

Second one isn't really paranormal, assuming its a 6-from-49 lottery, the chance of the 1st three numbers being correct may be 0.000905%, which may lead one to believe that such an event is a work of the paranormal.

But remember, that people win the lottery despite the fact that its a 1 in 13,983,816 chance of winning. And these people get their lottery numbers from somewhere. Extraordinary claims may require extraordinary evidence, but you are confusing an improbable claim from an extraordinary one. Winning the lottery is improbable, but not extraordinary.

 

[CaptainCool]

I think that modern physics is starting to resurrect ideas that were once associted with mysticism. Take the similarity between mathematical universe Hypothesis and Pythagoreanism, for example. MY point being that I think divinity exists and it's only a matter of time before science finds it, though I imagine religious folk will be disappointed when it doesn't match what they believe.

I myself am a panentheist with a belief in an unspecified afterlife (based on my own experience with a ghost). I also believe that animals have souls, since the ghost I encounter was my late dog Jordi.

What I meant was that modern physics has been coming up with a few hypothesis similar to what mystics believed in the past, not that physics is intentionally invoking mysticism . Like I said, mathematical universe theory could be considered to physics what Pythagoras's beliefs were to mysticism. As for the ghost bit, the encounter was a one time thing. It happened the night after my dog died, I heard him running through the house and felt him jump up on my bed. I know what I experienced.

Now if you want a really unbelievable (but true) paranormal story from my family, there is the story of how my deadbeat dad saw the winning lottery numbers in a dream, but he didn't write them down so when he went to buy the ticket, he could only remember the first three numbers. But they were the right first three numbers, because he won $500. And I know this story is true because my mom confirmed it and she A. hates my deadbeat dad enough that she would never lie for him and B. is a hardcore skeptic herself, so she wouldn't claim to have shared in a paranormal experience unless it actually happened.

Science does most certainly not "resurrect ideas that were once associted with mysticism". It demystifies the world by filling in the blanks that we don't know yet.

I am willing to bet everything I own that you did not enocunter the ghost of your dog.

I also don't believe what happened to your dad. Winning the lottery is nothing special.

 

[Cassafrass]

Whooooa, so many atheists. O.O

I am a Christian. Simply put! ^^ I do not believe humans evolved from animals, but that doesn't stop me from wishing I was one! XD