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Server Hardware Fault

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Xodiac

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It will. According to Yak (be able to support search), they only needed 1.2 GB of RAM to make it work, and the proposed new server will have 16. Now it's just a matter of having enough time to finish coding it. That might be saved for Ferrox, though, since it's being programmed in an entirely different language (Python vs. PHP).

Please don't wait for Ferrox. That, too, has been in development since forever. I doubt I'm alone when I say I'd rather have a clunky Search now than a great search... whenever. So long as it doesn't crash FA, of course. :)
 

Redregon

Banned
Banned
Please don't wait for Ferrox. That, too, has been in development since forever. I doubt I'm alone when I say I'd rather have a clunky Search now than a great search... whenever. So long as it doesn't crash FA, of course. :)

thing is, by search, what do people mean by that? search for a user? search for a specific picture? search by species/adult or other tags?

if it's by tags, i will state again, if a picture is not tagged, i'd suggest it not being added to the search engine. might get people's asses in gear to make sure their submissions are tagged and tagged properly (which afaik, is a big concern for some of the staff.)
 
Hell forget having a reason for subscribing right now... you should allow (keyword being allow... I'm not in any sense of the word saying that this should be a mandate) an open automated donation system that allows people to "subscribe" so they can donate a set amount each month if they want. I would gladly take the amount that most spend on an MMO and dump it tword this site each month for nothing more in return than seeing this site improve. Especially if it eventually ment we'd see un overhual of the software end of it.
 
What about supporter accounts? You don't really get any new features, but you do get a little title/mention somewhere on the site and maybe there's a list of names in the FA conbook when the con rolls around again.

Could just be as simple as a $12 a year thing ($1 per month) or as generous as a $100 or $200 a year thing.

Just an idea that wouldn't imply special features or removal of features.

Glad to see this thought when reading back after I post.
 

ArielMT

'Net Help Desk
Please don't wait for Ferrox. That, too, has been in development since forever. I doubt I'm alone when I say I'd rather have a clunky Search now than a great search... whenever. So long as it doesn't crash FA, of course. :)
thing is, by search, what do people mean by that? search for a user? search for a specific picture? search by species/adult or other tags?

if it's by tags, i will state again, if a picture is not tagged, i'd suggest it not being added to the search engine. might get people's asses in gear to make sure their submissions are tagged and tagged properly (which afaik, is a big concern for some of the staff.)
Not to mention that since this is the furry fandom, we'd need at least six choices for sorting/searching by gender. :p

A quick hack right now (or when the server comes back up) is to borrow Google.
Admins could throw together a search box with a Google logo and send the post action (after assembly/processing) to "http://www.google.com/search?q=SEARCHTERMS+site%3Awww.furaffinity.net&btnG=Search".
The rest of us can just head on over to Google and throw "site:www.furaffinity.net" (without quotes) on the end of search terms.

Rushing Ferrox, or even just its search feature (assuming it has one), would be so much a Very Bad Thing(TM) for any reason, let alone a server failure.
 

dineegla

Full-rack, antlered Moosie
MuscleWolf and I just made a nice donation. We may have to do mutliples in order to make sure you're okay.

Dineegla
 

Wildroo

Fuzzbut!
Dragoneer and Yak:
After reading the first two and last two pages (of 48!) I would just like to say thanks for what you're doing and what all you're going through: I know most of it is coming out of your own pockets and you provide the site for free to us- which is a big thanks! I'd love to be able to help out right now but I just lost my job and don't have any extra cash. Een though I can't help financially, I'd be willing to help in any way I can!

Thanks for everything!
 

salmy

Loner Cheetah not wolf! :P
And what do you do if artist offer submissions but do not get any customers? Oo

I've seen many people posting journals asking if anyone would be willing pay for a commission. That'd be a start..

Another option, since you got a point there, is that they don't need to pay unless the kind of art they submit is a 'commision for xxx'. Of course many furs could just *never* post their commisions, but for a small fee (don't need to even be $5/mo, it could be $5/year, it was just a random number!), it'd be silly to not show their commissions on fa!

And what if they earn barely enough to pay the five bucks in a month? Do you want to ban their accounts for a month or two?

Dude, it's a commission! xD if you charge less than 5 for a sketch, what kind of artist are you? and if you charge so low and you get *no* buyers, then maybe you shouldn't offer commissions at all!

Sorry, that idea sounds good for a moment, but considering what all could happen your system would be extremely unfair. :-/

I tried to give an alternative solution based on your points, but then again, I don't run FA xD Yours and mine opinions and brainstorming could very well go to the trash ^^;
 

nominus_expers

Coin-Operated Boy
It seems a little late in the game, but I hope this comment doesn't seem out of place.

I had an idea along the vein of raising funds toward the goal of preventative maintenance:

It's a little like a raffle, I don't know if it's been tried before or already shot down so please don't jump me if I'm being an idiot, but it goes something like this:

1) Artists, big name or up and coming, volunteer something they can spare (commission slot, badge, etc.).
2) Donations are made to enter a username into a raffle to win something from a given artist.
3) A drawing is done in whatever fashion is considered appropriate.
4) FA gets money, artist and winner square the details.

In order to make it worthwhile, I suppose the actual cost of a "ticket" would need to be less than the value of the prize. It also assumes that an artist will own up to their end of the bargain, and that there are artists willing to work for free, or rather, give something back to FA for the free exposure they get.

As a side note I'd be donating if I weren't myself having some serious hardware issues of my own... But I have so much free time I'd never miss a couple of hours to do a piece for someone who donated. I don't know how you could reward the artist though, other than giving them yet more exposure and thus improving the possibility of business for up-and-coming artists.

Oh. Wait. x3
 

Riguel

Graphic Artist/N64 Programmer
I've seen many people posting journals asking if anyone would be willing pay for a commission. That'd be a start..

Another option, since you got a point there, is that they don't need to pay unless the kind of art they submit is a 'commision for xxx'. Of course many furs could just *never* post their commisions, but for a small fee (don't need to even be $5/mo, it could be $5/year, it was just a random number!), it'd be silly to not show their commissions on fa!



Dude, it's a commission! xD if you charge less than 5 for a sketch, what kind of artist are you? and if you charge so low and you get *no* buyers, then maybe you shouldn't offer commissions at all!



I tried to give an alternative solution based on your points, but then again, I don't run FA xD Yours and mine opinions and brainstorming could very well go to the trash ^^;

Time to put my two cents in, Commissions vary for me, as our economy isn't as great and well, I'm not "best" artist compared to some others, so it makes it a lot harder. Plus Not everyone on FA is an artist doing commissions, as soon as FA decides charging monthly, you will kill a lot of traffic toward FA, which will hurt a lot of us artist who are making money based on commissions.
Don't get me wrong, I donate to the site and help out any possible way I can, but as you can see, I just don't believe in charging people a monthly fee is the answer to our problems. As it will cost us big time in the end, closing the doors to new furs coming in.
 

lelicianath

New Member
$50 for the cause. I would help more, but I've got bills due >(
All the best with our new server, Dragoneer, and I hope FA is up faster than expected...
 

Kraton

Single Wolf
I don't understand why everyone is complaining so much about the site being down. This is a free site. I bet if they received $1.00 for every complaint about FA being down they would have enough money to buy better equipment so their would be no more failures. It's not their fault that there isn't enough support from their members to be able to afford the expensive equipment.

Poor Dragoneer's back must be in awful pain from everyone jumping on it... :(
I registered on the forums just now so that I could say this:

I agree.
 

Nidonemo

Member
"Both Tiamat and Bahamut, our main servers..."

You named the servers after elite dragons! That's so awesome! I really hope things change for the better soon. :)
 

Kraton

Single Wolf
Agreeing w/ Riguel: I for one won't be able to be on FA anymore if they start charging monthly fees. And not to complain or anything, but most of my friends are on FA, and I'd have no means to communicate with them otherwise. It would make me quite sad.

So, yeah, even though I doubt there will be monthly fees, a lone fur here is asking that they don't do that. I'd donate if I could, just cause I don't want to see such a great site end like that, but I'm unemployed and will remain as such until after I move. Though, I'll be moving in a few days, so I'll be looking for a job right away.
If I get a job, you can be sure I'll try to put some money away every pay check to donate. ^_^
 

Kraton

Single Wolf
Agreeing w/ Riguel: I for one won't be able to be on FA anymore if they start charging monthly fees. And not to complain or anything, but most of my friends are on FA, and I'd have no means to communicate with them otherwise. It would make me quite sad.

So, yeah, even though I doubt there will be monthly fees, a lone fur here is asking that they don't do that. I'd donate if I could, just cause I don't want to see such a great site end like that, but I'm unemployed and will remain as such until after I move. Though, I'll be moving in a few days, so I'll be looking for a job right away.
If I get a job, you can be sure I'll try to put some money away every pay check to donate. ^_^
That should say WHEN I get a job. XD
 

shinmew

New Member
Awww.... man. I wish I was not having money problems my self right now. I know how it feels having to buy new hardware at the ASAP and being short the funds...
 

SpiritCreations

Wanted Dead or Alive
On the topic of FA needing finances, I'm completely for paying a monthly fee for perks/etc on FA, particularly if that money is going toward overall site stability.

Obviously FA is a huge congregation point for the furry community. Because of that, a lot of artists use it as a focal point for getting their auctions/commissions/sites/etc exposure. Other furry sites just don't compare when it comes to levels of traffic that FA receives. So when FA goes down, we stop making money. Speaking from an illustrator's point of view (who draws furry porn for a living), FA is both wonderful and hugely frustrating. We're given a very large audience to offer services and artwork to, for free; But at the same time, we are at the mercy of the unfortunate outages the site suffers from. My sales are down almost 50% since FA went down. And it's only been down for about 2 days.

My point is that FA is very important to the creators in this fandom, and I would be glad to pay a monthly fee to help the security and stability of the site.

Sorry if this has already been said elsewhere in these threads, I can't read 45 pages of mostly uninformative rambles.

Also, in before 'get a real job' comments. I draw furry dicks for a living. It's fucking awesome. <3


Good luck fixing this, guys.

Artdecaderoo said it exactly. I too make a lot of my living off of art (drawing dicks for a living IS awesome!!! :D) and my sales have gone soft like a limp noodle since FA went down. What's worse is that despite my telling clients NOT to give me links to FA for their art references, they do it anyways! So, now it will be much harder to work on commissions unless they reply back to my emails and attach the reference pictures, which a lot of them won't do. So, there go my deadlines out the window. Also, since the majority of my clients are on FA, it is very hard to update them on commission status, since I know they never actually check the queue that I have set up on ArtSpots and mass emailing all my clients never seems to work. Well, I guess I'l consider this a little break in art for a bit. :)

Thus, as for FA being a paid site, I would gladly pay a yearly fee to use FA. FA has been the biggest help to me in sales and communication with clients for years now and it is very valuable to me.

However, I have been reading some ideas in posts about FA taking a certain percentage of artist's commission income to support the site. Umm... no. Sorry, but as an artist, I'm against that idea. :) My money is MY money, and you try making a lot of your income off art. It's hard. :) Yes, I do have a "real" job too, but still, I don't think a percentage should go to anyone but the artist UNLESS FA has some management services for artists to help promote them out there and help get them more sales. However, I do think a yearly fee would be a very good idea. Given how many thousands of people use FA, a yearly fee should really help out a lot, plus other donations that they get throughout the year. Also, I don't think FA getting a percentage of artist's income would work very well anyway, as I know I and a ton of other artists use Furbid and FurBuy to post our auctions, and we post the links to our FA journals. I don't sell via FA, I sell via the auction sites and advertise via FA.

Lastly, as for doing a commission to help with donations right now, I'd be super happy to open up a con badge slot. I just don't know if anyone would want that slot. They'd have to wait until the holidays until I can finally work on their badge (as I said above, I have a long waiting list) and my badges cost $50 (for the high-detailed work with fur texture). Example seen here: http://spiritcreations.artspots.com/image/16918/thelonious However, that would be the only way I can donate as I'm completely broke myself right now.

Good luck getting everything back online guys! :)
 

nominus_expers

Coin-Operated Boy
Agreeing w/ Riguel: I for one won't be able to be on FA anymore if they start charging monthly fees.

I'm kind of in the same boat....For reasons I won't go into, I'm unable to work a normal job. I manage to cover regular expenses under the table, but I couldn't handle anything more right now -_-;;
 

redfoxnudetoons

Banned
Banned
Again with the monthly fee crap?

Didn't we have enough of this when Cecil and I showed Limeykat the reasons why mandatory fees were a bad idea?
 
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