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Kraton

Single Wolf
That wouldnt work since i draw mostly on my tablet...XD

Oh.... lol, that's something else I need to get. XD
Just the fact that someone has a tablet means their art will likely be a tenfold better than mine. v_v kinda unfair.
 

Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
Oh.... lol, that's something else I need to get. XD
Just the fact that someone has a tablet means their art will likely be a tenfold better than mine. v_v kinda unfair.

This isn't a forum for idle chatter. This is about FA's server Hardware fault and related. Please take the topic elsewhere, like Art Shack or Off Topic. Thank You.
 

WarMocK

I like to nuke ^^
Please keep on topic. This isn't a chatroom. We do have the IRC for that. Better yet please visit other areas of our forums. I'm sure the admins would appreciate it greatly.
Agreed.
btw: what was the link to the Amazon Buck-O-meter again? I'm trying to get at least some money to donate (5 EUR or so) since it's for a good cause after all. I know it's not much, but I can't spend more atm. :-(
 

Ainoko

The Wild And Crazy Hybrid
Gave $10.00 towrds the fund. Not much but that's all I can ATM.
 

Arbiter

Totally Gay For Bridget!!

DJDarkViper

The Silent Hunter...
average of $24 per donation going on atm, 80% to $4,000. Wow, haha, Yak wasn't kidding when he mentioned the dedication :)

throwing $25 your way FA. If i can figure out Amazon oO
 

floxxy_lady

Happy Felox
Well, this is the suck...I wish FA people luck, as that is all I have--I am POOR, and not at all technologically-inclined...
 

selth

Linuxian Dragon
I gave $50... can't give more until some stuff is cleared, but hopefully you'll have your servers by then!

FA, survive!
 

Ainoko

The Wild And Crazy Hybrid
Ok, look for the blue box in the upper rigth corner, input $25.00 in the field in the box, then click the donate now bix right below the blue box

Then just follow the prompts
 

DJDarkViper

The Silent Hunter...
the benefit for me here is i finally got off my lazy ass and got an Amazon account haha, Books, here i come!
 

2_gryphon

New Member
Throwing hardware at the problem again is just another patch job. You have a developer on your team who once told me he could reprogram the entire site in a week, and here it's been years and one missed expectation of an upgrade after another. Seriously, save your cash and put it into a professional or accredited programmer.

I'm not a member of the FA staff, but I have to say... How can you bitch about a free service? What, aren't you getting your money's worth?
 
However, I have been reading some ideas in posts about FA taking a certain percentage of artist's commission income to support the site. Umm... no. Sorry, but as an artist, I'm against that idea. :) My money is MY money, and you try making a lot of your income off art. It's hard. :)

So basically, you're willing to spend more money to get less business because FA will be closing up to anyone but the lucky few?

I personally disagree with asking for a percentage of the commissions outright.
Myself, I charge what I charge as the lowest price as I think is reasonable for the work that I do. If I have to pay to be paid, I'm going to have to raise my prices, and I don't want to do that. I'm sure I don't speak for myself on this one.

well, i'm for a subscription idea that'll get you perks, but if it comes down to FA taking a slice of my direct commissions (print sales through Rabbit Valley i'm not against as that's a business arrangement) i will make commission sales elsewhere... and i know i'm not alone in that respect.

if a mandatory fee were to be implemented, it will drive a lot of people away.

and besides, why are so many people here keen on taxing the artists? what about the viewers? i mean, without the artists and writers, this entire site is just a clusterfuck of people chatting. it wouldn't be an art/writing site at all.

paying for perks, yes. i agree with that. something like weekly spotlights, direct sales links to art on the artists site (without having to surf through to RV) or even something small like more icon flexibility or something like that.

but charging artists directly with no concern for their finances will drive a lot of artists away and this site will degenerate into a y-gallery kinda deal. if that were the case, i would keep my free account and do all my business through another site like my own or furbid or whatever.

nevermind the shitstorm of drama that will certainly ensue...

there is a need for more income, this site has worked fairly well, but in times like this, it's obvious that a little income here and there would help prevent issues like these from becoming massive problems whereas they'd be able to just be slight inconveniences.

Yes, I do have a "real" job too, but still, I don't think a percentage should go to anyone but the artist UNLESS FA has some management services for artists to help promote them out there and help get them more sales.

That's effectively what FA is doing right now (when it's up, that is). You should be thankful enough as an artist for all the free advertizing FA is giving you and pay a few cents, and I mean cents! Do you really need 5 cents off every $10 commission (4 percent for payment service, 1 percent for FA) so badly? Then why are you even on the internet? You must be living under a bridge! You'd have to pay much more dearly in lost business if mandatory fees will be introduced. And even if you're such a miser that you need those additional 5 cents, charge your customer! $10 commissions now $10.05.

Also, what's the use of having to pay mandatory fees or "subscriptions" no matter whether you make business or not, instead of only paying when/if you do business? Only paying if you're in business makes the site much more attractive and thus much more money will come around both for you artists and for FA.

Really guys, I could understand it if FA would be charging an arm and a leg, but we're not talking about that. Make $100, FA charges you $1 (+ 4% for payment service = 5 bucks total). Make $1,000, FA charges you $10 (+4% for payment service = 50 bucks total). Those are ridiculously low amounts!

Tax the viewers? WTF? You commissioned artists make money thanks to FA, viewers don't, so you should be thankful enough to pay a few cents off your 10 bucks and 40 bucks commissions! Why charge all your potential customers and drive them away? You'll only suffer yourselves from your own selfishness there. But if 1% off each commission goes to FA, you artists will make even more business than you are right now with FA being down all the time. There's really no excuse *not* to help both FA and yourselves by microscopic taxation for all the things FA is giving you, including business.

Also, newsflash for everybody who didn't catch it: You'll never have to use PayPal anymore in your lives in order to receive your money.

However, I do think a yearly fee would be a very good idea. Given how many thousands of people use FA, a yearly fee should really help out a lot, plus other donations that they get throughout the year.

That's exactly where you're going wrong. The reason so many people are on FA is because it's free, for goodness' sake!

Also, I don't think FA getting a percentage of artist's income would work very well anyway, as I know I and a ton of other artists use Furbid and FurBuy to post our auctions, and we post the links to our FA journals. I don't sell via FA, I sell via the auction sites and advertise via FA.

And how many people are on Furbid or FurBuy in comparison to FA? And how many pieces of art are sold on Furbid or FurBuy in comparison to how many commissions are commissioned for and delivered on FA?

The censores on DA were put into place for legal reasons, not their personal interests. When they turned themselves into a business, everything changed. If Fur Affinity were to go into it as a business, then everything would need to change or they could be open to all kinds of law suits and other stupid stuff.

And that's exactly why we've left PayPal behind. Other payment services don't mind about porn. FA would only make money off of things individual artists are making money off via FA already, and what about the people running the servers where FA is on? If there'd be any legal problem with making money off the stuff that's on FA, there'd also be a problem with simply having it on the FA servers, and that's never happened before.

The question is, HOW the heck are you supposed to charge them? You'd first have to even know what they make off commissions, and how many of those commissions happened specifically because of FurAffinity. Unless you're proposing hiring a psychic to read the users' minds, there's no way to know this. I suppose you could add a tool that allows artists to open up a certain number of commission slots so users can just click a button and automatically transfer the money and send the request. But how are you going to ensure that the artist actually uses it? I prefer to not take money until the commission is finished, to the point where I don't even tell the customer what my PayPal address is until then. And so on. Requiring artists to use FA's own system, at the risk of being banned or something if they so much as post a journal offering commission slots if they don't, is going to make a lot of people pissed off.

I've been talking about this before in regards to eBay and PayPal (again: WE'RE NOT GONNA GO PAYPAL, kthxbai). Of course people can choose to use other payment methods off-site, but what if there's a simple one-click opportunity right next to their commission? Plus, it's gonna give both artists and their potential customers a better experience AND better business because FA will be much more stable if they'll choose to pay that way. Using FA on-site payment serves their own best interests. And don't forget they'll know they're effectually supporting the furry community that they feel part of. It's staying in the family, so to speak.

Well, according to new U.S. laws (I'm not sure if they passed it or not yet), DRAWING children in ART is illegal now, on the condition of course that it's sexual OR nude. (though I question how that impacts the furry world, haha. But that also impacts the U.S. Not the world.)

Most Western jurisdictions require "realism", "photorealism", or "likelihood" when it comes to drawings depicting minors. Hence, stick figures as well as furries are off the hook in most places as long as furries won't exist IRL due to genetic engineering.

There only was some uncertainty in US courts from 1996 until 2003 on how to classify "photorealistic" artificial images of humans. They would have been illegal if depicting minors one way or the other, the only question was whether they fell under general indecent porn laws or actual CP laws. The 2003 PROTECT Act, as responding to 2002 Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition (where the FSC tried to gain a right to do business with their art due to the fuzziness of the 1996 CPPA), cleared that up by defining them as clearly CP (by applying the so-called Miller test for obscenity, which is "applying the moral standards" of an imaginary "average community member"). The prior fuzziness caused quite a few misunderstandings internationally, especially in the media, when it came to drawings of minors in suggestive or explicit situations.
 
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salmy

Loner Cheetah not wolf! :P
When i do my own direct commissions, the material is all stuff that i've paid for. which means that it's all done on my own dollar. it's not egoist, it's business sense.

But don't forget that when you do a commission that somebody requested to you via FA, it's because FA provided you with a place to show your art, and thanks to the way FA works, you're getting known, you're getting a fandom and you're getting paid for your work.

Nobody is saying that you should give your soul to FA, just a small contribution as a payback. Since most people (including me) are too egoistical to do something for someone else even if they've done it to us first, I'd just say: make it mandatory.

So people won't leave, I'd try to find the fairiest way possible. You say that a monthly fee just for offering commissions is unfair. Well, okay, maybe it is, but it was just an idea. Very improvable, like everything. Maybe FA could offer a payment gateway so commission buyers can pay the artists through or something, and.. pick a dollar from every comission they got through that system? Would that be more fair? What's more... if FA acted as a 'scrow' and hold the money from the buyer (so the artist knows he's gonna be paid) and then release it to the seller after the commision is done (so the buyer knows that the commision's gonna be done), we'd have a system for which everybody would get a benefit of (and not just monetary).

Of course, this shouldn't be mandatory, but an useful tool that maybe people would find convenient.

Dunno, I'm getting tired of giving ideas that nobody seem to care of, anyway xD
 

Echo_wulf

Member
I'm not a member of the FA staff, but I have to say... How can you bitch about a free service? What, aren't you getting your money's worth?


x.x i agree ... they have apretty cruddy system anyways.. i know how that goes with my dell from 92..... it suck all balls motherboard cant hold crap anymore with theese new programs... nothing is compatable on it... so in other words its best to just get a new system ... who knows a new system may be able to do things that didnt even thing f b4 hence upgradding my fav free website ^.^



dang 10 more pages and i would have had my 69:p
 

Yuudoku

New Member
I would donate, but alas I'm jobless and am currently trying to save the money that I do have, which isn't much. Let alone the fact that I have no debit or credit card of any kind. Even though I'm not hosting a site like FA, I myself am having tech related issues involving very old and dying hardware which is a major bitch with out any method of back up. Bye bye documents.
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I do however like the idea of paying for additional features such as a customizable user page, even if in such a way as custom css coding. Good luck admins. I'll donate as soon as I get cash. >.O
 

Eevee

Banned
Banned
I'm not a member of the FA staff, but I have to say... How can you bitch about a free service? What, aren't you getting your money's worth?
I am a member of the FA staff and I still think this (and the six thousand other comments echoing the same sentiment) is woefully naive.

The site does not cost anything to use, but that does not mean it has no value or is otherwise worthless. People have poured tremendous amounts of time and resources into FA -- whether by donating, working on it directly, adding to the community, merely using it to arrange their art and talk to other furs, or otherwise contributing their loyalty, mindshare, content, social networking, free advertising, etc. In exchange, they rightfully expect some degree of reliability and stability, amongst other things. If FA dies, true, nobody is out any money, but everyone loses the effort and faith they had poured into it. I don't blame anyone who would feel betrayed, although I would hope they'd also have the sense to recognize the inherent problems that are going to crop up when a free (and originally completely unprofitable) site hits critical mass.

If someone offers to fix your broken sink for free but does a bad job or doesn't do it at all, are you going to think "well this didn't cost anything so I can't bitch"? Of course not; someone still betrayed your trust and wasted your time when you could have found a better free service or paid for something you're assured will work. If anything, a broken free service is worse; when it lets you down you can't get any sort of refund at all.

Money is not the only thing that makes the world go 'round.
 
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Echo_wulf

Member
I am a member of the FA staff and I still think this (and the six thousand other comments echoing the same sentiment) is woefully naive.

The site does not cost anything to use, but that does not mean it has no value or is otherwise worthless. People have poured tremendous amounts of time and resources into FA -- whether by donating, working on it directly, adding to the community, merely using it to arrange their art and talk to other furs, or otherwise contributing their loyalty, mindshare, content, social networking, free advertising, etc. In exchange, they rightfully expect some degree of reliability and stability, amongst other things. If FA dies, true, nobody is out any money, but everyone loses the effort and faith they had poured into it. I don't blame anyone who would feel betrayed, although I would hope they'd also have the sense to recognize the inherent problems that are going to crop up when a free (and originally completely unprofitable) site hits critical mass.

If someone offers to fix your broken sink for free but does a bad job or doesn't do it at all, are you going to think "well this didn't cost anything so I can't bitch"? Of course not; someone still betrayed your trust and wasted your time when you could have found a better free service or paid for something you're assured will work. If anything, a broken free service is worse; when it lets you down you can't get any sort of refund at all.

Money is not the only thing that makes the world go 'round.
^.^ yep most definatly my view aswell
 

Geraden

New Member
I am a member of the FA staff and I still think this (and the six thousand other comments echoing the same sentiment) is woefully naive.

I agreed with the comment, but not in a way that meant people shouldn't express displeasure or frustration that FA is down. I took it to be directed against the people who are berating the staff members as if they've been paid to do a job and have screwed it up.

Edit: and for the record, I didn't notice it was 2 when I typed this up, so I'm not just being a fanboy XD
 
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