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nothingkat

FARTSMELLA
Simple fact, the second you limit the abilities of people who wish to post or keep their art on FA or the ability for others to find and view that art the site will loose a substantial number from it's user base. The same thing will happen if you limit communication or community tools to paying accounts. FA has succeeded as well as it has for basically one reason: it's free and it's effective. As soon as it becomes a pay site, all those who lack the spare funds to access will leave and with them will go a large part of the communities love and support.

Or at least that's how I see it.


~Fernin

Well if what remains free stays free, then no one will notice any difference. My idea of making FA a paysite really only refers to various upgraded features. Not the initial service.

If FA ever went to a full paid-site, it would fail hard. An art site should never be pay-only but rather pay-optional.

At this point, even if all they offered were a 'faster bandwidth access' to the sight, people would hop on it. Afterall, bandwidth IS money.
 

SilverAutomatic

The Sound of Madness
And if you don't believe me, ask Pegla Skunk and Taross, afterall i've spend the whole afternoon at there place irl

Okay, now we're getting into the "irl" stuff, and....

...that's just plain boring. Movin' on!

As for the new ideas for the severs, I kinda do like that customization one the more I think about it. Not overly done like MySpace (bleh) can be. Small friends list would be nice too!
 

nothingkat

FARTSMELLA
want to rephrase that? because I think you are contradicting yourself... every extra option you pay for is special treatment indeed, because you pay for it. if you donate, then the latter part of that statement comes true, giving money without expecting something immediately back in return. except maybe a smoothly running site, for example.

When I mean 'special treatment' I don't mean paying for extra options. I mean getting art or music exposure through personal favoritism of the FA staff. Also donations should always remain for those who want to donate money but I'm sure FA can give some incentives for people who help support it monthly.

I'm sure cases where payment online or via mail being nearly impossible will come in extremely isolated cases. These can be worked out via the staff and the member, I'm sure. Again, I'm no pro but I'm positive that payment can travel overseas.
 

dmfalk

Member
Sorry. I wish I could donate, but I haven't had a job in a year and a half, and all I have in my wallet is a single canadian penny, which can't really be donated can it?
Though if there were a way to donate that penny, I would.

I'm not blaming you- You have a ligitimate reason. Not everyone that have not donated is jobless/penniless-- The entire burden is being rested on just about 2%, when better than 30% might actually afford even just one buck. (I love Canadian pennies- They're not perfectly round- Or at least they weren't for a number of years. :) )

d.m.f.
 

Kraton

Single Wolf
I'm not blaming you- You have a ligitimate reason. Not everyone that have not donated is jobless/penniless-- The entire burden is being rested on just about 2%, when better than 30% might actually afford even just one buck. (I love Canadian pennies- They're not perfectly round- Or at least they weren't for a number of years. :) )

d.m.f.
If that's because they were easier to stand on an end, then I agree. Though it's still easily done, just more or less easier to tip over.

and... that was way off topic. sorry admins.
 

Reyman

The Gingerbreadman
I don't get it. I've read most of the replys and 1 fourth of the thread is about changes, what to do, how to do it, what equipment you should use. No this thread is about informing the people about status of the site, not to critisize the admins that work there ass off to get the job done. If your not an admin dont tell one what to do. Thats a striaght ban right off the back, but the nice admins of FA wont do that. Just let them do the job. If your here to chat with friends make another thread this is a status thread not a message center.
Hats off to the FA staff and good luck getting the site back up.
-Reyman
 
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Anbessa

Member
When I mean 'special treatment' I don't mean paying for extra options. I mean getting art or music exposure through personal favoritism of the FA staff. Also donations should always remain for those who want to donate money but I'm sure FA can give some incentives for people who help support it monthly.

ah, this makes it clearer. forgiveness for poking.

I'm sure cases where payment online or via mail being nearly impossible will come in extremely isolated cases. These can be worked out via the staff and the member, I'm sure. Again, I'm no pro but I'm positive that payment can travel overseas.

not so isolated at all, I might say. especially for austria, paypal has some nasty rules which makes it almost impossible for most private persons to use it, for whatever reasons. maybe a weird law regarding contracts made via internet. in other countries you need a credit card in order for it. I don't know what eGold requires, though.
payment can travel overseas allright. but you'll still need to undertake large measures to ensure noone doscovers the cash inside that envelope, and believe you me, some people have fingers like a second sight when it comes to 'feel' cash bills inside envelopes. I myself have sent cash to the US two times safely, but don't ask what I had to do to ensure it. and it cost me extra money to do so, too.
again, money transfer can take several percents of the sum as fee, and several weeks to accomplish. any online payment service like paypal for example, is worth gold (if it works at all, and not some weird incident makes them freeze your account; never happened to me, but you can never know): one klick, and a couple seconds later the other side has your money. everything else is the respective bank's business. but: see above. it's not available to everyone around the world.
 
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CrystalMendrilia

The Mad May Hare
Okay I get it. If it's free, more people will join.

Actually I've been saying the more people that will stay, Truth be it though, the less free it is, the less that will join too but that isn't the important issue here. ^_^

But how many times have free sites disappeared? Remember when Furnation use to be the prime free site? It's hardly even a website anymore. And Furaffinity is a BLOATED version of that and in the few years it was up, it's been down more often than one can remember.

Well I'm not attacking what you're saying in this paragraph obviously, but I can't help but remark that Furnation didn't have this kind of dedicated people willing to donate, or Staff that actually care AND aren't stupid.

I don't understand why people keep saying it's not 'fair' to deny this and that. It's a privilege to even have them.

Umm, "I" never said it wasn't 'fair' to deny this or that actually. There are also good reasons why I never said or would say that.

People are going to leave one website for another but it's not because they have to pay for special features. The basics will still be there. People tend to enjoy FA and want to support it but they will lose more people rapidly through these downtimes. They can fix it and reward those who support it -- therefore limited the number of downtimes. They can even pay to have professional coders touch up the site.

Well if you compare how many would be loss by the plans you laid out, these down times are nothing compared to how many we'd lose. But I assume you're referring to people watching the art, while I was referring to the artists.

And if they still want to leave because a website wants to make money and maintain itself, then let them leave. Furaffinity needs SUPPORTERS, free, donated, or charged.

People who are paying are paying for the chance to be exposed in FA. It wouldn't matter if you are an amateur or a "professional" furry artist. (I mean, is there even a difference now? Big-name artist still get the most exposure)

The big artists would leave for the most part actually, secondly Fur Affinity is not a professional website when you compare it to actual professional art websites like Deviant Art.

People hit it big in the industry there, while many who have hit it big, there or through other things, they most often remove all their art from Fur Affinity because they can't afford their art to be discovered and thus them associated with these pictures. That's, simply the way it is. Don't forget, we're talking about the business world.

DA can get away with it, because DA is a professional website.

No amature artist is going to down money for exposure. Most of the top artists won't either. (just like many great artists on DA don't.)

But this is about exposure. it's about maintaining a website that goes down too often.

I'll assume you typoed that. :3 I think you meant this isN'T about exposure, ...

I can't help remarking though, that umm... *points to how much money was raised* kind of dissproves even the 'need' for what you're suggesting. Either the Staff is going to spend the money correctly and save what's needed correctly, or they are going to waste it all, and thus a stable income for the sight won't make any real difference.

They're either going to do it right, or wrong. But raising money as needed certainly isn't the issue because... As I've been saying... Fur Affinity is a GREAT website, and because of how great the Staff, Community, Atmosphere and so on are here, they've gotten a lot of loyal people all across the world.

I can't help but acknowledge this as it's right in our face... Thus i find the idea of how hard everyone is discussing the notion of changes, limiting privlages, giving more, in favor of more stable income into Fur Affinity, at the cost of quantity, atmosphere, and loss of a % of the community. (Since all the evidence isn't in yet, I cannot put an estimation on the % yet.)
 

Pi

Member
This thread reminds me of racing golf carts around in first gear until their engines explode.
 

Straitfox

Crazy
I hope this site gets back up because I have alot of art to upload.

and also, I hope this site doesn't become like devart....that sucks, I mean come on, we should have the same stuff like DA, but without all the hatred and stuff.

And where the hell is that search bar!? Seriously, when i was on vacation I could swear that the admins were putting it in then *POOF* it went offline.
 

Rave

New Member
I can recall when that Penny Arcade comic raised $20,000 for a charity over some considerable amount of time...it was hailed at the time as an amazing show of their site's great influence and the importance and power of the Internet to generate large sums for worthy causes etc., and the feat was referenced all over the Net in various quarters.

Now, a bit more quietly, and at a much faster rate, FA may very well have raised around $10,000 in...not much more than a few days, though outside of "furry" circles, nobody will probably much hear or care about it. FA is quietly getting freakin huge...

Be afraid, Internet,...be very afraid! =D
 

Kraton

Single Wolf
@Pi: *cracks up* I wanna try that, just for fun. XD
@CrystalMendrilia: If they're being annoying, just ignore the person. No reason to ruin your good mood. (And I'm kinda assuming you're in a good mood, just from the way you reply. You sort of... radiate cheerfulness. *shrugs*)
 

Anepo

Anepo the last furryof iceland
There is one problem though with ANY server you get you know that right? ^^ As soon as there is a new server the really dirty horny artists will try to fill it up before it even gets started with yiff ^^ will take only 1 day for them to fill the new server lol ^^ because they have been using all the time FA has been down to draw naughty art.
 

Anepo

Anepo the last furryof iceland
I can recall when that Penny Arcade comic raised $20,000 for a charity over some considerable amount of time...it was hailed at the time as an amazing show of their site's great influence and the importance and power of the Internet to generate large sums for worthy causes etc., and the feat was referenced all over the Net in various quarters.

Now, a bit more quietly, and at a much faster rate, FA may very well have raised around $10,000 in...not much more than a few days, though outside of "furry" circles, nobody will probably much hear or care about it. FA is quietly getting freakin huge...

Be afraid, Internet,...be very afraid! =D

Furries for presidents! ^^ We can soon buy ourselfs president positions ^^
 

Kraton

Single Wolf
There is one problem though with ANY server you get you know that right? ^^ As soon as there is a new server the really dirty horny artists will try to fill it up before it even gets started with yiff ^^ will take only 1 day for them to fill the new server lol ^^ because they have been using all the time FA has been down to draw naughty art.

Is that a problem? XD (lol, jk)
 

flinters

New Member
Furries for presidents! ^^ We can soon buy ourselfs president positions ^^


"Um, Mr. President? Yes, the furries are here to see you about your presdiential position..."


(he bends over, pants down, tail up) "I'm ready for them."
 

yak

Site Developer
Administrator
*headtilt*

Why am I hearing 'make FA a paysite' suggestions?

The furs behind the scenes needed about $5,000 to ensure good, long-lasting hardware and hosting for a month. Last I checked, the fandom doubled that two days ago, with who knows how many more donations coming in with the past 48 hours.

Unless there's something I really havn't thought of, doesn't this mean we're pretty much set for the next year or so? Even if the staff uses some of the proceeds for themselves, there seems to be enough to cover everything for a good long awhile, and then some.

Exactly. We don't need to pay for FA, we're donating more than enough already. Heck, if people keep donating like this, FA's 15k they have now will turn to 25k rather quickly. The Admins are all set for money, so we can end this silly and rather pointless discussion.

Yes, we have the money to make a one time purchase of the hardware that we need right now.

But you are both missing out on the fact that supporting the colocation, power and bandwidth this website uses costs money, every month. And not just money, but nearly a thousand dollars a month. Yes, 1000$/mo.

This is the reason FA has to start making money. To cover it's running costs. So far, that money has been coming out of donations and supplemented by FA's pocket money. But generous as they can be, donations are not a stable source of income to rely on, and FA needs to ensure stability.
 

Kraton

Single Wolf
"Um, Mr. President? Yes, the furries are here to see you about your presdiential position..."


(he bends over, pants down, tail up) "I'm ready for them."
That was a really disturbing mental picture you just put into our minds. Thanks.
 

Kraton

Single Wolf
Yes, we have the money to make a one time purchase of the hardware that we need right now.

But you are both missing out on the fact that supporting the colocation, power and bandwidth this website uses costs money, every month. And not just money, but nearly a thousand dollars a month. Yes, 1000$/mo.

This is the reason FA has to start making money. To cover it's running costs. So far, that money has been coming out of donations and supplemented by FA's pocket money. But generous as they can be, donations are not a stable source of income to rely on, and FA needs to ensure stability.

So... what, am I the only one here who, once I have a job, am willing to donate $5/pay check to FA? Cause so long as affording it isn't an issue, you can bet your ass I will donate. I love this site too much to see it fall. And that's not anyone forcing me or convincing me to donate, I WANT to donate.
And assuming that pay checks will be every 2 weeks (as most jobs appear to be), that's like $10 a month coming from me.

So while $10 a month from only me won't be enough to call it a stable income, I don't think it's fair to speak as if my intentions aren't good enough or anything. If you admins want a more stable income, you'd better hope that there are more like me in the fandom that is willing to pay that much, that often. It's not even a subscription at all, it's just me donating. But if you MAKE it into a subscription, then you're likely to lose this FA member.
 

Artie

Member
Yes, we have the money to make a one time purchase of the hardware that we need right now.

But you are both missing out on the fact that supporting the colocation, power and bandwidth this website uses costs money, every month. And not just money, but nearly a thousand dollars a month. Yes, 1000$/mo.

This is the reason FA has to start making money. To cover it's running costs. So far, that money has been coming out of donations and supplemented by FA's pocket money. But generous as they can be, donations are not a stable source of income to rely on, and FA needs to ensure stability.

I have a feeling that if FA already had a stable source of income like that, then we wouldn't even be having this downtime right now. The money would have been on hand to order new hardware right away, eh? Meaning there would be SOME downtime, but not nearly as much, since there wouldn't have been a need to pause for a donation drive. That is the importance of having some kind of regular funds coming in.

It's definitely important for the admins not to use ALL the money on hardware purchases. It's important to keep money on hand for future emergencies, as well as the monthly operating costs. Spending ALL the money that comes in on the site AS SOON as it comes in, would be a foolish move.

Additionally, I still think free users shouldn't have anything taken away from the current functionality of the site, and should probably have even MORE once additional features are added to the site. I think FA would make a substantial amount of regular, stable income if there were voluntary, donation-like "subscriptions", which wouldn't actually offer anything substantial over a free user. Simply recognition of being a site supporter, if anything. I'd go for that.
 
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TranzAndri and Co.

DJs Of Souls
Unfortunately, our choosing to become a member on FA was hinged on many factors, one of the biggest being that it was free. We're of a dirt poor variety, and paying money to share our artistic talents with others and appreciate others' own works isn't something we'd be interested in. We like FA and all, but it just doesn't work out on buying a subscription.

Besides my own personal feelings, I feel that to "ensure stability", as it was said, it would be slightly foolheardy to make subsciptions limit the available services to those who can't pay or have to choose between this and something else. If something like that were enacted, I predict about 70% of the members would find other sites that may not be as good as FA, but will still be free and good for their work to be hosted on. I've seen this happen with things like this before. There's nothing less pretty than the fragmenting of a good thing. Especially something that brings so much art into view, whether it's poetry, prose, music, or art.

-Tranz, Kari, Sili, and Jade aka TranzAndri and Co.
 
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