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ANTIcarrot

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So... what, am I the only one here who, once I have a job, am willing to donate $5/pay check to FA?

No, but you might be the only one willing to do so manually. Given how quickly $4000 was raised (and how quickly similar donation drives elsewhere in furrydom work) I suspect the admins would be surprised at how many would be willing to give money...

Provided that the admins could spend two seconds setting up subscription payments. Like this: http://www.solfire.com/donations/ Sure Paypal may get 1% of all donations, but Furaffinity gets to keep the other $2000 a month!
 

Straitfox

Crazy
After investigating and digging around, we've determined many of the recent errors/outages on FA's side to be result of a server hardware fault. We've got some mixed signals coming from the server, and we're investigating them to try to resolve issues. No one item is pointing towards origin of failure so we are unable to determine what the point of failure is at this time.

Given we were planning on purchasing a new server for backup, we are re-allocating that money right now to purchasing a new data server with built in backup capabilities. The new server will replace the failing data server until we can make proper repairs.

With luck, the new server will going be ordered tomorrow. It WILL cost roughly $1,000 more than we currently have budgeted, and given that, we are once again asking for donations. The server will be ordered, money or not, but doing so is going to put us into severe debt at this time. The new system is going to cost us almost $4,000 and will make added emphasis on data security (with build in battery backups). The recent HD failure set us back roughly $250 from that goal. At current estimates, we have about $2,250 in our coffers to apply to a new server.

We will do everything within our power to minimize the outage, and current estimates are 7 to 10 days. We will keep you posted in the forums.


Lend a Hand?
Unfortunately fixes cost money, especially to the level that we need in this instance. If anybody is willing to help out we are accepting donations via Amazon or Paypal. We greatly appreciate any assistance in helping in this matter. Donations via Amazon can be made here. For Paypal, please PM me over the forums for the appropriate information.

As written before, we do have money to put together to a server, but not enough to replace the server having these issues. When all is said and done the other server will be fixed and repaired, and we'll drop it back into the colo.

EDIT: Due to the generous donations from the site, we've bumped the donation goal up to $4,000. As we get more and more support we will invest in the single best hardware we can buy.

If I may what server or servers you were using and what you are ordering now, I ask this because I may be able to help if I can, my father works with networking and servers and as for helping get this site faster I do not know what I can give for your site. I am all out of money...I am so sorry. But I hope everything goes well.
 

Marohen

New Member
Hmm... In regards to this whole pay-site delemma... Really, I don't think FA is--with its present staff and state--capable of putting up a subscription system.

Who will add any potential beneficial features to it? Yak? One guy? And he's probably busy enough trying to deal with the presently haphazard code for FA (No offense, man). At this point, the only way to make subscription reasonable is to take away current features from the average user.

Granted, a stable income always is good, but even that must come at a price; the site is fated to become something very different then it presently is... And considering the trend DA went through, that change is doomed to ruin the spirit of the site.

So, what will it be, a good site that is unpredictable and unstable, or a bad site that is reliable? Personally, I'd stick with the latter, because of present pleasure for FA and my present displeasure for DA.

If there's any wisdom in the advice, try to avoid everything DA did; FA isn't just a site for furry porn, its a place where a guy can get noticed no matter how insignificant they might be, and that's worth protecting more then anything else.

Boy, do I like to ramble! But that's what you get for having FA down so long; I'm bored as hell!
 

yak

Site Developer
Administrator
So while $10 a month from only me won't be enough to call it a stable income, I don't think it's fair to speak as if my intentions aren't good enough or anything. If you admins want a more stable income, you'd better hope that there are more like me in the fandom that is willing to pay that much, that often. It's not even a subscription at all, it's just me donating. But if you MAKE it into a subscription, then you're likely to lose this FA member.

Oh come on, holster your weapons and be reasonable.

Never I said that FA would be a payed for website. I didn't say anything about subscriptions neither. In fact, I did no say anything outside of mentioning that FA needs a more stable income on money, and has to start making it in one way or another.
For all that it's worth it you many not even notice how FA will be making money at all. Now is not the time for that kind of discussions and decisions.

The generosity on donations is greatly appreciated. Please do not think that it is not.
But unfortunate and rumor breaking as it is, donations do not fully power FA. The amount of them greatly fluctuates with time. Sometimes they cover nearly all of the bills, some other times there are almost none of them. Either way even with the goodwill of our users and you, the amount of donations is still not enough to power FA, and that situation would only get worse with each successive month.

Imagine yourself in the position of having to take $1000 out of your pocket every month to pay for FA. It's mind bending.

FA needs to secure means to be self-sustained. It has to generate enough income to pay it's own bills, for all yours and our sake and to ensure it's future. And as I have already said, it does not necessarily mean obtrusive methods would be used, or the quality of service degraded.
 

SilverAutomatic

The Sound of Madness
I think part of the reason why donations may be low is because we're too lazy to do it manually! XD

There should be an option to make an automatic monthly donation with the amount of our choosing.

Kinda like one of those charities you see on TV, you know;
"For the price of just a cup of coffee..."

Yeah... XD
 

Delian

Member
Look people, it has been said many times already. Site will be free, and most useful features will be free. Nothing will be taken away from anyone and as much as possible will be given to everyone. That most likely includes search feature.

But some people need SOMETHING they can pay for. They want to pay, but they need something. Anything, as long as it's something that they can use, but not something that everyone needs. Perks, not needed, but nifty.
 

nrr

Member
hmmm hopes its SUN This time and not all wiggely x86 arc thay gona run this time
... so you suggest running the site on SPARC hardware? Two problems with this as far as I can tell.

There's probably only one person on FA's staff who's proficient at being a Solaris sysadm. You're dumb if you're going to run a production application on SPARC hardware and not use Solaris.

The last time that Sun built a "basic" SPARC offering (i.e., something not geared toward heavily multi-threaded tasks and not special-purpose) was several years ago.
 

yak

Site Developer
Administrator
Hmm... In regards to this whole pay-site delemma... Really, I don't think FA is--with its present staff and state--capable of putting up a subscription system.

Who will add any potential beneficial features to it? Yak? One guy? And he's probably busy enough trying to deal with the presently haphazard code for FA (No offense, man). At this point, the only way to make subscription reasonable is to take away current features from the average user.

Dude, you have no idea how much time it takes, even daily, to keep FA running on the hardware that, due to several factors, lacks to provide the performance required.

These factors would simply be nonexistent after this upgrade, leaving much more time to actually work on the service the website provides instead of working of maintaining that service in the working state.

I am not saying things would be brought onboard instantly, it will take time, but with the hardware stability and no longer a need to maintain in.. there would be much more time freed.
 

Marohen

New Member
FA needs to secure means to be self-sustained. It has to generate enough income to pay it's own bills, for all yours and our sake and to ensure it's future. And as I have already said, it does not necessarily mean obtrusive methods would be used, or the quality of service degraded.

You're half-true there, my friend.

For example, I like these new Ads on FA, they "Ad"ed (Haha, get it?) to the site both aesthetically and financially.

But, the fact of the matter is, a site like FA can't live off Ad's alone, the only effective means of retaining a stable income is through some form of subscription, that is the tragic fact.
 

Marohen

New Member
Dude, you have no idea how much time it takes, even daily, to keep FA running on the hardware that, due to several factors, lacks to provide the performance required.

These factors would simply be nonexistent after this upgrade, leaving much more time to actually work on the service the website provides instead of working of maintaining that service in the working state.

I am not saying things would be brought onboard instantly, it will take time, but with the hardware stability and no longer a need to maintain in.. there would be much more time freed.

Understood, then the issue of how is not a factor. The only factor that remains is the moral and philosophical issues that come with subscription.
 

Threetails

bad fox
How about some new gallery indexing features (such as enabling tag indexing within your gallery or allowing the creation of sub-galleries or sub-folders), easier drop-box features to make using multiple avatars easier, more species/category tags, an "ad-free" account with no banners, and enabling the long-defunct search feature as part of a "premium package?"

I'd pay for that... maybe not much, but $3-5 a month.
 
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Kraton

Single Wolf
Oh come on, holster your weapons and be reasonable.

Never I said that FA would be a payed for website. I didn't say anything about subscriptions neither. In fact, I did no say anything outside of mentioning that FA needs a more stable income on money, and has to start making it in one way or another.
For all that it's worth it you many not even notice how FA will be making money at all. Now is not the time for that kind of discussions and decisions.

The generosity on donations is greatly appreciated. Please do not think that it is not.
But unfortunate and rumor breaking as it is, donations do not fully power FA. The amount of them greatly fluctuates with time. Sometimes they cover nearly all of the bills, some other times there are almost none of them. Either way even with the goodwill of our users and you, the amount of donations is still not enough to power FA, and that situation would only get worse with each successive month.

Imagine yourself in the position of having to take $1000 out of your pocket every month to pay for FA. It's mind bending.

FA needs to secure means to be self-sustained. It has to generate enough income to pay it's own bills, for all yours and our sake and to ensure it's future. And as I have already said, it does not necessarily mean obtrusive methods would be used, or the quality of service degraded.

Ok, so then do you have any ideas of how to maintain a steady income other than donations and without going into making it a payed site? Because I really do not want to see the site become even slightly similar to DA, and although I'm willing to donate money every time I get a pay check, I really wouldn't know how to help otherwise.
 

ArielMT

'Net Help Desk
'Neer, you may need to (re-)instigate an IP ban?
In my experience, IP bans work only against the more ignorant trolls, and that assumes they're not using short-lease IPs like AOL, dial-up, and some other ISPs do.
There is one problem though with ANY server you get you know that right? ^^ As soon as there is a new server the really dirty horny artists will try to fill it up before it even gets started with yiff ^^ will take only 1 day for them to fill the new server lol ^^ because they have been using all the time FA has been down to draw naughty art.
That's a problem... How? :-D In all seriousness, the only thing that really frightens me once FA comes back up is that the message center is going to fill up so quickly that I won't have a chance to read and see everything (including the things I'd then want to unsee) before my brain asplodes from the sheer numbers.
Furries for presidents! ^^ We can soon buy ourselfs president positions ^^
I'd vote for one!
If I may what server or servers you were using and what you are ordering now, I ask this because I may be able to help if I can, my father works with networking and servers and as for helping get this site faster I do not know what I can give for your site. I am all out of money...I am so sorry. But I hope everything goes well.
That's by and large answered over in the New Servers thread.
 

Baby Giraffe

C4 Bunneh!
the saying; "Those who don't know the past are doomed to repeat it." Seems to ring a bell.

The site will be different. There will be a few kinks in the beginning. The site WILL be better in time. Now we just need to pull our heads of our asses, smell the fresh air, and pay attention, slow down, and smell the flowers.

If we are cautious then this won't happen again. Think of the souls that run this site. *hugs the lot of you* Your like freaking gods! I'd drop my pants and say to piss off at this point....but thats just me.

*rock fingers* And yet is another opinion that non of you will pay attention to!:cool:
 

Waccoon

New Member
How about some new gallery indexing features (such as enabling tag indexing within your gallery or allowing the creation of sub-galleries or sub-folders)

Only if navigation is improved. I prefer to see pictures as a flat gallery, rather than have to step through multiple galleries, unless each gallery has, say, more than 10 pictures. Also, there would have to be some indication of whether said galleries contain pictures at all. I always forget that FA has a "scraps" gallery, and if I remember to check it, it usually contains zero pictures, anyway.

Frankly, I wish the site coders would work on correcting the XHTML/CSS/JS syntax issues, first, before adding yet more features. Some code cleanup would go a long way to dealing with bandwidth issues, too. I already offered to help with this on the code support forum, but didn't get a reply.
 

dmfalk

Member
Additionally, I still think free users shouldn't have anything taken away from the current functionality of the site, and should probably have even MORE once additional features are added to the site. I think FA would make a substantial amount of regular, stable income if there were voluntary, donation-like "subscriptions", which wouldn't actually offer anything substantial over a free user. Simply recognition of being a site supporter, if anything. I'd go for that.

"Subscriptions" would be the wrong term, here, I'd think- Ideally, it should be a PBS-style membership or, as someone has mentioned, a convention-style "supersponsor" program. Some sort of sponsorship program would be best, with only a few perks that don't take anything away from the regular users- Just added benefits like, say, Featured Artist of the Day, or somesuch- Maybe a random rotating Featured Artist, so the hundreds of sponsoring artists can get seen randomly.

Or... Like eBay, perhaps- Sponsorship stars, either donated by the FA user or on behalf of said FA user. (eBay's stars are colour-coded according to the level of feedback they've received.)

But no, no paysite, no disabled functions- Just pure FurAffinity. :)

d.m.f.
(Who doesn't mind the ads as they currently are- They're furry or by furries in context. In fact, there should be more furry ads. Step out of that, and better have a DAMN GOOD reason to advertise something non-furry on a furry community site.)
 

Kilroy

Mischief Maker!
Geez people, slow down! I'm having a hard time keeping up with the pages! Seems like every time I click the next page button there's a new one already up! :p

And a little more on topic, I am absolutely amazed at the amount of financial support the site has received! All I can say is, where the hell was the love when -I- needed it? :p

Ah well, I only wish I could chip in, but I still need foodstuffs! (And yes, even a measely $1 could keep me without food. I'm not really in a position where I can buy anything I want. Hell, I'd buy ramen noodles if I had a way to cook them any time I wanted!)
 

dmfalk

Member
I think part of the reason why donations may be low is because we're too lazy to do it manually! XD

There should be an option to make an automatic monthly donation with the amount of our choosing.

Kinda like one of those charities you see on TV, you know;
"For the price of just a cup of coffee..."

Yeah... XD
Indeed, it should be totally voluntary without loss of features who don't, plus some sort of mechanism to do automatic donations, should the donor so desire. IN NO WAY should those who can't/won't donate, for whatever reason, ever be left out of the full FA community experience. Whether or not they do, it's their FA, too. :)

d.m.f.
 

dmfalk

Member
... so you suggest running the site on SPARC hardware? Two problems with this as far as I can tell.

There's probably only one person on FA's staff who's proficient at being a Solaris sysadm. You're dumb if you're going to run a production application on SPARC hardware and not use Solaris.

The last time that Sun built a "basic" SPARC offering (i.e., something not geared toward heavily multi-threaded tasks and not special-purpose) was several years ago.

I've been on SPARCs using BOTH FreeBSD and Solaris, as a user.

d.m.f.
 

xids31

Xids
^^ Hello just wanted to say that no matter what happens, FA will change whether small or big. Change is coming. Now hopefully (and it most likely wont) change for the worst, FA has been a true get-a-way from everyday life for me. I've made friends who share a similar bond that isnt widely accepted IRL. For that I'm thankful to be apart of it. I know it seems like a scary situation on how FA will continue to run. Shoot this is the first time (since Ive been here) that FA has had this bad of a problem, which in my opinion is a very good track record. I know im just one person but I believe in hoping for the best. We gotta realize that the ppl that run this site know the repercussions of anything they do(especially since theyll definately hear about it in forums ^^). So Ill be waitin for ya FA(that means all of ya guys), to see your art, read your journals, and make new friends. (very sappy i know big whoop wanna fight about it, lol)

Oh btw shrmp is the fruit of the sea! :shock:
 

Kraton

Single Wolf
"Subscriptions" would be the wrong term, here, I'd think- Ideally, it should be a PBS-style membership or, as someone has mentioned, a convention-style "supersponsor" program. Some sort of sponsorship program would be best, with only a few perks that don't take anything away from the regular users- Just added benefits like, say, Featured Artist of the Day, or somesuch- Maybe a random rotating Featured Artist, so the hundreds of sponsoring artists can get seen randomly.

Or... Like eBay, perhaps- Sponsorship stars, either donated by the FA user or on behalf of said FA user. (eBay's stars are colour-coded according to the level of feedback they've received.)

But no, no paysite, no disabled functions- Just pure FurAffinity. :)

d.m.f.
(Who doesn't mind the ads as they currently are- They're furry or by furries in context. In fact, there should be more furry ads. Step out of that, and better have a DAMN GOOD reason to advertise something non-furry on a furry community site.)

Well, a sponsorship program sort of idea is a lot better than submissions to FA, but when it comes to any "benefit" of it, the only thing I'd agree with is the idea of, on the home page (likely where it shows the advertisement for donating) it might show the avatar of the most recent donator (since the last refresh, of course). It's not advertising for that artist or anything, nor are they getting anything that they wouldn't already have without donating, so it's not a bad idea.

Though, personally, I don't need or want anything given back after donating (not that I'd disagree with the above idea, I just wouldn't pay attention to it).

And personally, I think that if FA were to add ANYTHING new at all, it should be an easier means to donate, rather than going to Amazon or Paypal. Though that may be wishful thinking on my part.
 

dmfalk

Member
Ok, so then do you have any ideas of how to maintain a steady income other than donations and without going into making it a payed site? Because I really do not want to see the site become even slightly similar to DA, and although I'm willing to donate money every time I get a pay check, I really wouldn't know how to help otherwise.

I think Yak might be mentioning of selling server space for dedicated websites- Like personal sites for non-FA doings & such.

d.m.f.
 

Armaetus

Nazis, Communists and Antifa don't belong on FA
I wonder how many of the FA staff actually chip in for the monthly costs...I know Drago handles the bulk of the burden but how much do others such as yak, codewolf and others contribute to the $500ish per month?
 

Kraton

Single Wolf
Oh, and is there a mailing address where I can send a check? I'm not sure how Amazon and Paypal work exactly, but I'm pretty sure that (if I'm willing to pay for a freaking 10 cent stamp XD) sending through the mail (a check is safer than bills, any day) is cheaper than those sites.
However, I could be wrong. If so, please inform me. XD
 

Kraton

Single Wolf
I think Yak might be mentioning of selling server space for dedicated websites- Like personal sites for non-FA doings & such.

d.m.f.

Hmm, like renting a room or apartment kinda thing, only online?
I'd say not a bad idea, but personally I don't know what repercussions might come with that. XD
Don't want to make myself look like an idiot.
 
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