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Shit like this is why you have no right to whine about people hating you.

Verin Asper

The Smart Idiot
I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience in the fandom =(

But I think it's really sweet how accepting furries are!
There were so many fucked up people I met when I went to furry dinners and parties.
But no matter how weird or how messed up they were, they still could at least say they had a few furry friends in life.
I'm not a kid, and I'm not naive because I've seen the kind of love and acceptance the furry fandom has to offer first hand.
[So please try not to resort to petty insults already -___-]

Who are you to say what people are and aren't allowed to put on the Internet?
Now if we were talking about PHOTOGRAPHIC bestiality porn, it would be a completely different story. Same with photographic child porn.
That kind of shit is evidence of really fucked up crimes, that can't be justified.

But we're talking about a drawing!
No one is suffering.
Nothing bad has happened.
And if someone is fucked up enough to rape an animal/child, they're going to do it with or without porn.

These people don't need psychological help.
They also don't need to be harassed by other, overly-righteous furfags who probably have done/thought of/jerked off to sick shit just the same.
It's really pointless.
Your crying isn't going to somehow reverse their mental defects. So just relax.
No animals were harmed in the drawings of these pictures n.n
please tell that whole Drawing thing to the United Kingdom, they deemed ALL forms as illegal
Then again by your sad definition I'm not a furry so who am I to tell furs what to do.
 

Toxic.Vixen

Member
please tell that whole Drawing thing to the United Kingdom, they deemed ALL forms as illegal
Then again by your sad definition I'm not a furry so who am I to tell furs what to do.

Wow o_o;;

I don't even...
You're a furfag if you're part of the fandom and never once did I say otherwise...
[You're on FAF, so I have always assumed you're part of the fandom, thus a furry]


I don't live in the UK. FA servers are not based in the UK.
The UKs laws matter about as much to this argument, and to me, as the laws in Pakistani.
Just because they stone women to death for showing off their hair, doesn't mean we - in civilized, free countries - should.
Nor should we harass people for DRAWING something.
Freedom of Expression =3
 

Carenath

Cynical Dragon
There's a point though, where tolerating people's dirty little secrets crosses over into asspatting.

More or less when the subject openly talks about it all the time, and no one stops to think that they really need to stop talking about it.
Yes.. I'll grant you that, but a basic modicum of tolerance for people who are into stuff you don't like or find repugnant is a good thing to have, knowing when to voice your criticisms and knowing when to walk away.
Some people are also, just thickheaded and won't understand valid criticisms and evidence in your favour and prefer to respond with "Troll" and "NO U" instead of countering your points.

yea....but the problem is those furs are seeking ACCEPTANCE, not being tolerated, and there is a time to talk about what you are into and a time when you shouldnt.
There is this, certainly, and then they call the lack of acceptance "intolerance", make references to gay people etc.
 

Toxic.Vixen

Member
Seriously, can we just ban you. It's pretty obvious that you're baiting people.

Why does acceptance of peoples ambitions[regardless of how strange they may seem] 'bait' you?
Why is it that it makes you so mad?
O___o

It's the Internet ffs
Relax and let the people enjoy themselves.
They aren't hurting you, no reason to hurt them.
 

Willow

FAF's #1 Terrorist
Yes.. I'll grant you that, but a basic modicum of tolerance for people who are into stuff you don't like or find repugnant is a good thing to have, knowing when to voice your criticisms and knowing when to walk away.
Some people are also, just thickheaded and won't understand valid criticisms and evidence in your favour and prefer to respond with "Troll" and "NO U" instead of countering your points.
Then again, some people are being neither tolerant or intolerant. They could just really care less about your shit and piss fetish and would rather you not talk about it.
 

Redregon

Banned
Banned
I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience in the fandom =(

heheh, nice generalization. frankly, i fucking love the fandom despite it's sick members. it's fun, rather care free and there are a lot of really groovy people here. i've been in the fandom for going on 12 years now and if i really didn't like it, i'd just walk away from it. nice attempt at reading into what i've said... doesn't say anything about me though it does say a lot about you. hmm... i think i'm with Willow in that it seems you're just trying to bait people... either that or you're just really, really naive bordering on idiocy.

But I think it's really sweet how accepting furries are!
There were so many fucked up people I met when I went to furry dinners and parties.
But no matter how weird or how messed up they were, they still could at least say they had a few furry friends in life.
I'm not a kid, and I'm not naive because I've seen the kind of love and acceptance the furry fandom has to offer first hand.
[So please try not to resort to petty insults already -___-]

see, that one is easy to understand. furries are generally composed of people that were the social outcasts and geeks. given that, it isn't a stretch to understand why so many of them are loathe to speak their minds about shit that churns their stomach... because if you ostracize ANYONE, you're no better than those mean bullies that stole their lunch money in high school... furries: the people that are typically social doormats because they're afraid of being stepped on. (irony much?)

Who are you to say what people are and aren't allowed to put on the Internet?
Now if we were talking about PHOTOGRAPHIC bestiality porn, it would be a completely different story. Same with photographic child porn.
That kind of shit is evidence of really fucked up crimes, that can't be justified.

But we're talking about a drawing!
No one is suffering.
Nothing bad has happened.
And if someone is fucked up enough to rape an animal/child, they're going to do it with or without porn.

which is more the reason to wash our hands of the whole thing lest people think that we're all a little bit like they are. i mean, easy way to explain that... no matter how enlightened people claim to be in the united states, anti-muslim stentiment is RIFE and many muslims are in fear because of a small group. it's not right, but it is as it is. don't like it? vacate the human species. unless there's some worldwide shift in behavior or consciousness, it's going to always be that way no matter how much you may not like it. my point? well, how bout this adage... you will be judged based on the company you keep. our company (in the fandom) include some very, very sick people that should be getting help for their issues instead of cowering behind the site owner like pussies pretending that nothing's wrong.

These people don't need psychological help.

yes they do.

They also don't need to be harassed by other, overly-righteous furfags who probably have done/thought of/jerked off to sick shit just the same.

yeah... they actually do... of nobody points out their sickness they'll keep on with the assumtion that they aren't sick.

nice use of "Furfag" though... it gets me... right here... you've utterly wounded me i'm dying of the barb. please, stop for all that is good and holy that single word is my kryptonite and i am bleeding out here. oh wait, is it really right for me to use sarcasm? i mean, you strike me as the retarded idealist that takes everything they hear and read as SRS BZNS!!! but hey, what can i expect from a loser lolita that probably has very little tread on the tire. (hey, to the mods... if i am infracted for this, you better infract her since she did start it... is that childish? maybe... but the rules are the rules and you know it.)

It's really pointless.
Your crying isn't going to somehow reverse their mental defects. So just relax.
No animals were harmed in the drawings of these pictures n.n

maybe so, but that doesn't mean that people should stop telling sick people they're sick. they don't like it? well, maybe they should get help. until then, there will always be people that will call them sick. trufax.
 

Attaman

"I say we forget this business and run."
I'm not about to sit here, lie through my teeth, and say it's not sexual.
Oh good, for a moment I thought-
There's no reason to single us out beyond the fact that we aren't all denying it.
... Fuck.

You do realize the standard Furry response to anything said by a non-fandom member that associates any level of sexual activity to the fandom is "EBUL TROLL GTFO CLEAN FANDOM TERE IS NO PORN WE CLEAN U ONLY MISLED TROLL GTFO MODS MODS COPYRIGHT VIOLATION HARASSMENT HATE CRIME!" Fuck, I've had people in the fandom tell me that those who look at Furry Porn aren't true furries. Yes, some furfags said that anyone who looks at any furry porn isn't a furry: Do you have any idea, if we followed that logic, how many members of FA wouldn't be furries?

What I am going to say is that the people who blast this for being sexual are fucking hypocrites.
Go to DakkaDakka, and tell me how much Warhammer (40K) / Tabletop Gaming Porn you find in either the galleries or topics, or subjects on fetishes for that matter.

I blast furry not for having smut: If I said "look online for how much Warhammer (40K) / Tabletop Gaming Porn you can find", you'd probably find a shit-ton. The difference is that:
1) Said "shit ton" pales in comparison to the other amount of works submitted, as in less than 25% (less than 10%, less than 5%, and I'd bank for pretty much any system other than FATAL it's less than 1%).
2) It's kept separate from general conversation. "Hi, how're you? You play WH? Cool. What armies? Nice, I play [x]." Not "Hi, how're you? Furry too? Where's your F-List? Haha, watersports, likewise. Wanna RP? I have an AIM."

What is the most popular advertising tactic in the world? Hot women wearing very little clothing.
I thought violence and machismo came close.

What is something that shows up in a few episodes of almost every TV show? Sex.
What TV shows are you watching that with some editing can turn a season into a porno? And, more importantly, are the actors hot / what's the show's name?

Since I'm late to the party, I'm almost entirely certain that someone else has already made a point of this, but I can't be arsed to find out.
"Other fandoms have sex", yes. However, this argument is shit, considering the only other fandom that immediately springs to mind with a comparable amount of porn-to-other-content ratio is Anime, and furries love to rag on anime as being hypersexualized, that's not a good shift of focus. It also doesn't solve the porn problem.

It's your life darling.
If you want to live it judging people based on issues they are powerless to control, that's your business.
But keep that to yourself.
Er, they can control it. They're paying for commissions of feral animal boners. Even if you say they can't control their likes, they can control whether they want to put down those $50 for Fido Dick.

These people are not hurting anyone by drawing dog porn.
They don't deserve to be insulted or harassed because of their fetishes.
Why do I have a hunch that this topic would be different if it was a chat on scat? That if we had a topic on twogirlsonecup, and someone was seriously arguing how that was hot, you'd be telling them to shut up and seek help?

Fetishes, especially extreme ones, are usually the result of traumatic mental scaring.
What type of mental scarring leaves you seeking dog dick? :confused: Wouldn't that just make whatever issues you have worse, not better?

That's whats so inspiring about the furry fandom.
No matter how socially inept you are.
No matter how depraved you are.
No matter how perverted you are.
You'll always find friends.
... I don't think "inspiring" was the word you were looking for. At all. Maybe "disturbing," or "horrifying." Not "inspiring," though, unless you have a dream of making it to the top selling zeta toys and / or feral porn.
 
I still don't see the issue here. Most people don't even know what a furry is, and people who do already know about the porn. At worst, outsiders probably consider furrydom on par with being a weeaboo. To me, the biggest problem with furries is that too many people can't accept that they're freaks. Deny it all you want, but people like you and me are freaks. We'll always be freaks, and that's okay. Do you honestly want to be deemed acceptable by a society that considers people like Justin Bieber normal? Yeah, didn't think so.
 
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Willow

FAF's #1 Terrorist
I still don't see the issue here. Most people don't even know what a furry is, and people who do already know about the porn. At worst, outsiders probably consider furrydom on par with being a weeaboo. To me, the biggest problem with furries is that too many people can't accept that they're freaks. Deny it all you want, but people like you and me are freaks. We'll always be freaks, and that's okay. Do you honestly want to be deemed acceptable by a society that considers people like Justin Bieber normal? Yeah, didn't think so.
I'm sorry, but that's way too broad of a statement. Saying that people who are only fans of art and nothing more freaks is like saying people who watch a few anime shows
weeaboos. Saying people who like anthro cartoon animals and such are freaks is a bit of a stretch, seeing as how they've been around since the 1920's possibly earlier. Also, more people know what a furry is as opposed to a weeaboo.
 

Dass

public class Dass
Attaman, alright, touché, don't even agree with myself anymore, point aborted. Now allow me to raise a completely different one!

All walks of life are going to have a few sexually fixated deviants in them, we seem to attract more than usual because we're at best loosely organized and fewer than normal of us seem to be quick on the "you're a freak" trigger. I like that about us, some don't, but it's futile to whine about it because it's probably not changing.
 

Verin Asper

The Smart Idiot
There is this, certainly, and then they call the lack of acceptance "intolerance", make references to gay people etc.
us black folks are still waiting for those gays to stop comparing themselves to us you know :V
 
I'm sorry, but that's way too broad of a statement. Saying that people who are only fans of art and nothing more freaks is like saying people who watch a few anime shows
weeaboos. Saying people who like anthro cartoon animals and such are freaks is a bit of a stretch, seeing as how they've been around since the 1920's possibly earlier. Also, more people know what a furry is as opposed to a weeaboo.

First of all, no they don't. The CSI episode was a long, long fucking time ago. The anime boom has eclipsed any exposure furries might've gotten from that.

Secondly, I'm using freak affectionately here. My point is that, as long as you're part of a subculture that's outside the social norm, you'll never be seen as one of the cool kids. It's better to embrace being a freak than pretend to be cool when you're not, is all I'm saying.
 

Verin Asper

The Smart Idiot
First of all, no they don't. The CSI episode was a long, long fucking time ago. The anime boom has eclipsed any exposure furries might've gotten from that.

Secondly, I'm using freak affectionately here. My point is that, as long as you're part of a subculture that's outside the social norm, you'll never be seen as one of the cool kids. It's better to embrace being a freak than pretend to be cool when you're not, is all I'm saying.
its better to be your self than a freak or a cool kid anyway as the easily targeted folks are the cool kids and the freaks.
Do you ever see those being themselves in a sane way get picked on...or was it always the cool kids or the freaks.
 

Willow

FAF's #1 Terrorist
First of all, no they don't. The CSI episode was a long, long fucking time ago. The anime boom has eclipsed any exposure furries might've gotten from that.

Secondly, I'm using freak affectionately here. My point is that, as long as you're part of a subculture that's outside the social norm, you'll never be seen as one of the cool kids. It's better to embrace being a freak than pretend to be cool when you're not, is all I'm saying.
..what?

Everyone has a different social norm. Those cool kids are probably the same ones that losing your virginity early is cool too..eheheh.
 
..what?

Everyone has a different social norm. Those cool kids are probably the same ones that losing your virginity early is cool too..eheheh.

The extent of the media exposure that furries (the subculture, not just cartoon animals) have gotten is a long-forgotten episode of CSI. Compare that with the insane amount of exposure that anime has gotten in the years since that episode aired.
 

Verin Asper

The Smart Idiot
The extent of the media exposure that furries (the subculture, not just cartoon animals) have gotten is a long-forgotten episode of CSI. Compare that with the insane amount of exposure that anime has gotten in the years since that episode aired.
too bad there always something else as the newest thing for us is the ChewFox incident.
 

Verin Asper

The Smart Idiot
The what? :confused:
You are new so I'll simply state this
ChewFox a user on FA wen't on the Tyra Banks show, the episode was about what folks did in bed. ChewFox was about wearing a fursuit while having sex.
On their FA journal they stated they were gonna represent the furry fandom.
Shitstorm big enough to cause FA to crash
ChewFox gets banned twice, first time was on impulse, the second time was due to happily flaunting about how they crashed FA over the incident showing they wasnt sorry for what they did.
Chewfox created a second notch to fursuiters on the bad PR.
 
You are new so I'll simply state this
ChewFox a user on FA wen't on the Tyra Banks show, the episode was about what folks did in bed. ChewFox was about wearing a fursuit while having sex.
On their FA journal they stated they were gonna represent the furry fandom.
Shitstorm big enough to cause FA to crash
ChewFox gets banned twice, first time was on impulse, the second time was due to happily flaunting about how they crashed FA over the incident showing they wasnt sorry for what they did.
Chewfox created a second notch to fursuiters on the bad PR.

Except the only people who watch Tyra are fat, bitchy housewives who finger their rotten twats to Fabio novels. If somebody went on that show claiming to represent the metal community, and did it while wearing inverted crosses covered in goat's blood and punctuating every sentence with "Hail Satan!", it wouldn't make a lick of difference.

It goes back to what I said earlier; furries want to be deviants, but at the same time, they don't want to be outside their precious social comfort zone. They want to be able to go up the cool kids and say "Hey, I'm just like you guys... except for the whole 'whacking it to cartoons animals' thing." Sorry kids, but it doesn't work that way.
 

Verin Asper

The Smart Idiot
Except the only people who watch Tyra are fat, bitchy housewives who finger their rotten twats to Fabio novels. If somebody went on that show claiming to represent the metal community, and did it while wearing inverted crosses covered in goat's blood and punctuating every sentence with "Hail Satan!", it wouldn't make a lick of difference.

It goes back to what I said earlier; furries want to be deviants, but at the same time, they don't want to be outside their precious social comfort zone. They want to be able to go up the cool kids and say "Hey, I'm just like you guys... except for the whole 'whacking it to cartoons animals' thing." Sorry kids, but it doesn't work that way.
and I simply pointed out "furs arent deviants as you think they are." Most of us in truth no where NEAR being deviants.

and by the way you can be a cool kid and watch anime its called "keeping shit seperate" something it seems this generation of furs not being able to do.
 
and I simply pointed out "furs arent deviants as you think they are." Most of us in truth no where NEAR being deviants.

Deviant:

adj.
Differing from a norm or from the accepted standards of a society.

n.
One that differs from a norm, especially a person whose behavior and attitudes differ from accepted social standards.
 

rodox_video

~stay connected~
I will never understand the Chewfox incident. There was nothing hateful or dangerous about that woman. She went out of her way to tell the truth and she was crucified for not sugarcoating it.
 

Verin Asper

The Smart Idiot
Deviant:

adj.
Differing from a norm or from the accepted standards of a society.

n.
One that differs from a norm, especially a person whose behavior and attitudes differ from accepted social standards.
Wait.....when did EACH SOCIETY got together and all agree on whats normal and social standards. :V
note, there is no such thing as normal cause of each society being different.
 

Verin Asper

The Smart Idiot
I will never understand the Chewfox incident. There was nothing hateful or dangerous about that woman. She went out of her way to tell the truth and she was crucified for not sugarcoating it.
she was stoned for making it that ALL furs did that, not that she and a few did that.
 
Wait.....when did EACH SOCIETY got together and all agree on whats normal and social standards. :V
note, there is no such thing as normal cause of each society being different.

Don't give me this "normal is relative" bullshit again. Different cultures have different standards, sure, but to my knowledge no culture considers fucking in animal suits and fapping to Lion King porn acceptable. You want to be different, you have to face the stigma like everyone else. Nobody is gonna pat you on the ass and say "It's okay, you're special."
 
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