Should children be allowed into the Furry Fandom?

[FluffyShutterbug]

Just because some places are sfw, does not mean shit. The majority of places I've seen on discord, on furafinity, on reddit, etc, have been porn and fetishes galore. The argument of 'Its the parents duty' doesn't hold any water, because parents are getting lazier and lazier. Hell, I know some people who give their three year old their phone, just to shut them up. Its partly on the parents, but its also on the other furries to tell them that no, we wont suck your dick until you're at least of age, MR edgy 15 year old who owns a porn server. That's why every server I am in does age verification. We had a minor who was 14, and was sending nudes for a year before someone found out. That's called child pornography, and if someone would have taken advantage of that, all 46 of the other members of the server would have probably been charged due to one minor trying to get his rocks off. Im glad that more and more places are starting to crack down on this stuff, because its not fuckin legal. Otherwise, discord wouldn't be deleting accounts of people who are underaged. Im sick and tired of these dumbass kids coming up to me and asking to 'Erp? owo'. If yall wanna have places with minors, go right ahead. Take ALL of them. I don't want them anywhere around me.

I'm sorry, but the world doesn't revolve around YOU.
I can't stand minors either, but you don't see me going around demanding that this fandom bans everybody who's under 18.
And, yes, some parents are lazy. But others aren't. I was never allowed to get away with doing shady things on the internet when I was growing up! My mother was perfectly aware of how dangerous the internet is, and it's appalling that so many parents think that the internet is interactive television instead of a digital facsimile of the real world and all of its dangers.
You're getting dangerously close to being one of those people who say "Ban all adult content because parents are too lazy to actually be parents".

 

[AliceTalistar]

Im not gonna babysit their kids because they don't give three fucks about them. That's not my job.

 

[DariusTheLoony]

I feel like there should be limits to it where one side should be for kids in the other side should be for adults because it seems like the more kids jump into it it seems like they are going into the wrong side of it every so often.

 

[FluffyShutterbug]

Im not gonna babysit their kids because they don't give three fucks about them. That's not my job.

Nobody's telling you to babysit minors. I don't even interact with anybody under 18. I'm taking umbrage with the fact that you want to gatekeep the fandom for reasons that are kinda irrational.
I mean, why not just ban everybody under 18 from using the internet, then, if this is the route you're going down? The arguments you're using can literally apply to the internet as a whole.

 

[AliceTalistar]

I feel like there should be limits to it where one side should be for kids in the other side should be for adults because it seems like the more kids jump into it it seems like they are going into the wrong side of it every so often.

Exactly this.

 

[FluffyShutterbug]

Exactly this.

But you were saying that minors should be banned from the fandom altogether.

 

[Dinocanid]

Im not gonna babysit their kids because they don't give three fucks about them. That's not my job.

If you don't want to then that's fine, but you also have no right to complain that nobody is doing anything about it because you are also doing nothing about it. Just leave it to the people are actually are willing to handle the situation

 

[AliceTalistar]

Nobody's telling you to babysit minors. I don't even interact with anybody under 18. I'm taking umbrage with the fact that you want to gatekeep the fandom for reasons that are kinda irrational.
I mean, why not just ban everybody under 18 from using the internet, then, if this is the route you're going down? The arguments you're using can literally apply to the internet as a whole.

Do you have proof that you don't have any contact with anyone under 18? Can you definitively say that you haven't ERPed with anyone whos under the age. Do you age verify everyone whos ever talked to you? No, you haven't. Nobody does. That's the issue. If minors weren't in the fandom, there wouldn't be any child predation in that specific way. If minors were out of the fandom, we wouldn't have to constantly tell them to stop talking about how much they want to get fisted in sfw chat.

 

[Dinocanid]

I feel like there should be limits to it where one side should be for kids in the other side should be for adults because it seems like the more kids jump into it it seems like they are going into the wrong side of it every so often.

That's the thing though, this already exists, unless you mean specifically make a website specifically for child furries in the same vein of abcmouse and restrict every art website with ID verification. That doesn't stop kids from being furries though, being a furry is just simply being a fan of anthropomorphic creatures. You physically cannot ban children from the fandom, it's impossible

 

[DariusTheLoony]

But you were saying that minors should be banned from the fandom altogether.

I'm gonna say about it is that if a minor is trying to do anything 18 and up with an adult that knows better than all you need to do is try to talk to them but if they're just going to put you on their blocked list then all you can do is give those words of encouragement and try and help them by telling them not to do some thing that they're probably not ready for. Seriously it may not be our job to raise or take care of someone else's kids but it is always good to try and help the next generation even if you're never going to meet them or talk to them again at least try to give them A heads up .

 

[Limedragon27]

Saying children shouldn't be allowed in the furry fandom because of the fandom's nature is like saying children shouldn't be allowed to be in the anime community because so many predators use anime profile pictures and lurk in its community((Which to be honest, I'd say the anime community has a bit bigger problem with pedophiles than the Furry community, given the popularity of loils, not that the Furry community has that problem too)). While the Furry fandom is notorious for it's focus on porn and sexual themes, there are SFW areas of the fandom. It should also be the job of parents to ensure their kids don't do bad stuff online, not an online community's. I might be a bit biased here though since I first joined when I was 16.

 

[AliceTalistar]

Im talking SPECIFICALLY minors engaging in the porn side. That shouldn't be allowed to happen. Sure, if you are 38, and you wanna talk to a bunch of 16 year olds, go right ahead. But if they start engaging in rp, and sexually talking to eachother, theres a damn problem. In my personal experience, its always been the minors trying to drag the adults into it, and the adults having to eventually call admins because the minors wont shut up about it. Its more to protect the adults from the kids who have no concept of what child porn is.

 

[DariusTheLoony]

That's the thing though, this already exists, unless you mean specifically make a website specifically for child furries in the same vein of abcmouse and restrict every art website with ID verification. That doesn't stop kids from being furries though, being a furry is just simply being a fan of anthropomorphic creatures. You physically cannot ban children from the fandom, it's impossible

Trust me when I say that there are three levels in my opinion of being a furry.

Level one - The ones that love the fandom and love being creative in it.
Level two - The ones that criticize while still being creative but are morally getting too into it but not over the edge.
Level three - The people who think that they are actual animals or just make it into a fetish.

I see there are those individuals that love the fandom and then there are those individuals that just jump in to the fandom taking what someone else already worked on like artwork or a design or even a name just to try and let go of those urges that they have. There are good fairies and then there are those bad ones.

The reason why I say this is because I've been around the block too many times.

It all depends on what kind of mindset does the child have to become a fairy because I don't hold anyone against what they love doing but if it is going to become something negative and they're going to try to ruin it for everybody else then I would say that individuals should not be doing this.

 

[FluffyShutterbug]

Do you have proof that you don't have any contact with anyone under 18? Can you definitively say that you haven't ERPed with anyone whos under the age. Do you age verify everyone whos ever talked to you? No, you haven't. Nobody does. That's the issue. If minors weren't in the fandom, there wouldn't be any child predation in that specific way. If minors were out of the fandom, we wouldn't have to constantly tell them to stop talking about how much they want to get fisted in sfw chat.

I try my best. But, dang, you seem to have a real chip on your shoulder.
And here's the thing. Did you know that even if we were to pass an official rule banning minors, they'd still attempt to get in? Plus, you'd be damaging the fandom's numbers by making it an exclusive club and reinforcing negative steretoypes.

Im talking SPECIFICALLY minors engaging in the porn side. That shouldn't be allowed to happen. Sure, if you are 38, and you wanna talk to a bunch of 16 year olds, go right ahead. But if they start engaging in rp, and sexually talking to eachother, theres a damn problem. In my personal experience, its always been the minors trying to drag the adults into it, and the adults having to eventually call admins because the minors wont shut up about it. Its more to protect the adults from the kids who have no concept of what child porn is.

Uh, you were NEVER specific about that! Of course I don't want minors in NSFW spaces. But since you weren't specific, I assumed that you were talking about the SFW areas too.

 

[AliceTalistar]

If there was absolute proof of everybodys age, then yes, I would be more comfortable. But. Since minors have a habit of lying about age to get their rocks off, thats where Im uncomfortable.

 

[Dinocanid]

Im talking SPECIFICALLY minors engaging in the porn side. That shouldn't be allowed to happen. Sure, if you are 38, and you wanna talk to a bunch of 16 year olds, go right ahead. But if they start engaging in rp, and sexually talking to eachother, theres a damn problem. In my personal experience, its always been the minors trying to drag the adults into it, and the adults having to eventually call admins because the minors wont shut up about it. Its more to protect the adults from the kids who have no concept of what child porn is.

It's already not allowed, legally and in regards to website policies. I don't know where you've been hanging out where it is allowed, but that doesn't sound like the place to be

 

[AliceTalistar]

Uh, you were NEVER specific about that! Of course I don't want minors in NSFW spaces. But since you weren't specific, I assumed that you were talking about the SFW areas too.[/QUOTE]


Maybe I wasnt clear. I do apologize. I have been seeing the post as specifically allowing minors into places that have nsfw and sfw together.

 

[FluffyShutterbug]

Uh, you were NEVER specific about that! Of course I don't want minors in NSFW spaces. But since you weren't specific, I assumed that you were talking about the SFW areas too.

Maybe I wasnt clear. I do apologize. I have been seeing the post as specifically allowing minors into places that have nsfw and sfw together.[/QUOTE]
It's just that I haven't yet been in a server or any other place that doesn't block adult stuff for those who aren't old enough yet.
Well, FA isn't good at it, but I've run all-age Discord servers before that do have NSFW areas that are gated off, and we'd require them to show a driver's license in order to get access.

 

[DariusTheLoony]

Saying children shouldn't be allowed in the furry fandom because of the fandom's nature is like saying children shouldn't be allowed to be in the anime community because so many predators use anime profile pictures and lurk in its community((Which to be honest, I'd say the anime community has a bit bigger problem with pedophiles than the Furry community, given the popularity of loils, not that the Furry community has that problem too)). While the Furry fandom is notorious for it's focus on porn and sexual themes, there are SFW areas of the fandom. It should also be the job of parents to ensure their kids don't do bad stuff online, not an online community's. I might be a bit biased here though since I first joined when I was 16.

Trust me when I say that it's not that easy to try to keep a child away from adultery because they can go on Facebook and they can lie about their age or they can go on Twitter or they can go on Tumblr as it still doing it. Google plus may not be a thing anymore but trust and believe it's still happening and when you said that the anime community is more with having pedophiles than the furry community had me kind of off because I feel like they're even. Trust me when I was on Google plus I realized what kind of individuals are out there and what kind of individuals that are literally axing for attention especially the children as well because I feel like there are as much pedophiles as there are jail beaters. I can't believe I am even saying jail beaters here but yeah. All I can say about it is that there definitely should be a limit to what age a child should be to be a furry I'm not seeing a individual that is 15 or 16 trying to be one I understand that but if they are younger than that, As adults should try to leave them on in the right places so they can talk to their own ages instead of trying to jump into like adult conversations or a adult group area.

 

[KimberVaile]

No, not only because I hate the idea of the fandom becoming more of a daycare, but because there are legitimately dangerous people in the fandom that have preyed on kids. Sangie for instance, not even going into the whole MFF con crap.
There is a lot of potential danger for underage people being in the fandom, so I am not too big on it.

 

[DariusTheLoony]

No, not only because I hate the idea of the fandom becoming more of a daycare, but because there are legitimately dangerous people in the fandom that have preyed on kids. Sangie for instance, not even going into the whole MFF con crap.
There is a lot of potential danger for underage people being in the fandom, so I am not too big on it.

I agree.

 

[FluffyShutterbug]

No, not only because I hate the idea of the fandom becoming more of a daycare, but because there are legitimately dangerous people in the fandom that have preyed on kids. Sangie for instance, not even going into the whole MFF con crap.
There is a lot of potential danger for underage people being in the fandom, so I am not too big on it.

This seems to be premised like we're deciding to let them in instead of deciding to kick them all out?

 

[KimberVaile]

This seems to be premised like we're deciding to let them in instead of deciding to kick them all out?

I am not suggesting anything be done, just that I prefer there not be children in the fandom. It is a suggestion rather than an ultimatum.

 

[FluffyShutterbug]

I am not suggesting anything be done, just that I prefer there not be children in the fandom. It is a suggestion rather than an ultimatum.

Ah.
I personally hate minors myself, but I do think they have a right to participate in the areas that they're legally allowed to.

 

[KimberVaile]

Ah.
I personally hate minors myself, but I do think they have a right to participate in the areas that they're legally allowed to.

I find there are too many dangers within the fandom to feel it is a wise idea to let them in, but that sort of moral responsibility would fall on their parents, not me.