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Should children be allowed into the Furry Fandom?

Should children be allowed into the Furry Fandom?

  • Yes

    Votes: 102 51.8%
  • No

    Votes: 62 31.5%
  • Not Sure

    Votes: 33 16.8%

  • Total voters
    197

ben909

vaporeon character != mushroom characters
Thus we need good guides, we need more.

Maybe a group of vigilantes will be good too?
Oh sorry... I didn't mean hunters, but guides. The reason I called them vigilantes is that they have to seek any young furs and keep them from going off the tracks.

I know, it still has many cons, just a blink of idea. Not great.


more people will be hunters then guides... and these "guides" carry a risk as well, as if someone is a true predator the could sneek into those spots... ... and it goes down into darkness from them(why they need background checks in schools), and i don't think we are up to that level of screening


guides as suggestions to follow, for kids and 'mostly-sfw' adults might be a good idea though
 

MaelstromEyre

Slippery When Wet
more people will be hunters then guides... and these "guides" carry a risk as well, as if someone is a true predator the could sneek into those spots... ... and it goes down into darkness from them(why they need background checks in schools), and i don't think we are up to that level of screening


guides as suggestions to follow, for kids and 'mostly-sfw' adults might be a good idea though

More like mentors - people who can show new, young furries how to SAFELY get involved in the community, give them some of the web sites and resources, etc.
 

Jaredthefox92

Banned
Banned
Did I stutter?

I have no problems with children being part of the Furry fandom, but the adult aspects of it are FUBAR on a good day.

Back in the day there was a site called Yerf that would have been perfect to point kids at and say, "Yes, it's perfectly fine to take this seriously." But I'm about 100 percent sure it's dead now and FurAffinity is functionally a porn site, even with SFW turned on.

I'd keep my children off the internet until they turn 18, period.
 
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Ruki-the-Zorua

Guest
*Looks at my own age, smiling nervously* I'm sure children should be fiine here.
 

JIBBLY

♡ Stuffed & Full of Love ♡
There's no reason than the traditional ones for children to not join the fandom. It has shaped into a more friendly concept than what it was before, especially furry conventions. They are family rated in general with private areas for adults. If there's things that children need to know is the fandom is not exempt from the dangers of the internet. From my experience and onlooking child furry fandom participants, adults are too quick to push children out and complain about them far too much even if the mistake they're accused of was on their behalf. The fandom should continue to be a universal aged community with sides that are explicitly SFW and NSFW for those who prefer it that way.
 

Mythic

-Artist and Crafter-
I mean whether or not they /should/ be here they already are so we need to keep them safe. There is no reliable way to actually keep them out and to be honest furry in and of itself doesn't have to be sexual.

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I'm curious about what you people think. I know there are a lot of problems regarding predators and such. There's so much adult content in this fandom that I don't know how children can avoid it. My first experience with furries online was bad. I was 14 and both were trying to drag me into the sexual stuff. One catfished me into thinking the were the same age and gender that I was.

I'm concerned about safety. There are so many furry spaces that don't have a clear line between sfw and nsfw. There isn't a single furry I've asked about this that didn't say they were groomed/creeped on as a young teen.

So what do you think?

Edit: As much as it sounds like I think they shouldn't, I'm on the fence, really.


I'm going to post something here that I have read that I agree whole-heartedly with. We need to really start to crack down on people who regularly do this sort of thing. I feel like more than anything most furries just need to be educated on why doing this thing is bad, I don't think many really see what they are doing as a problem. The post:

Let's start with the behavior of adults in fandom spaces. Something I've noticed on a pretty regular basis is adults have a pretty nasty habit of assuming that everyone around them is also an adult unless proven otherwise. A large part of furry culture is freedom of expression- many people in the fandom are undoing a lifetime of emotional repression, often expressing this in a sexual manner because they've been afforded that freedom. This is far from a bad thing on its own, but this also leads me into the second point.

Consent. Furries are awful at and about it in every possible way. Sexual consent, emotional consent, physical contact, respect of boundaries, you name it and furries have violated it. I have not met a single person who's been in the fandom for more than a few months who has not had someone cross a boundary or lapse in consent on some front. People will come into your messages trying to engage in overly familiar roleplay with you, people will casually start talking about their sexual habits without establishing consent, even the more ""woke"" furries can and will push your boundaries if they're not satisfactory. Many furries have had their boundaries eroded away, had their consent violated regularly, and they feel like they have the right to do that to others, often without thinking about or realizing what they're doing.

And here we are at my third point, traumatized teens. Even this has a lot of segments to it, and hopefully I can cover them adequately. A lot of kids entering the fandom are already traumatized and isolated in some way, and are seeking community wherever they can find it. If they choose to stay, they will be treated inappropriately, it's not a matter of if but when. Ask any kid who's been around furries, or anyone who's grown up around furries, and they'll tell you that people have tried to engage with them in extremely inappropriate ways. I lost count of all the times (as a minor) people tried to start a sexual RP with me, asked me about my kinks, tried to guide me into talking about nsfw topics with them, tried to get me to engage with nsfw art. An unfortunately common experience of furries I know is adults showing us porn to make us uncomfortable because it was so funny, they we're just trolling u guyz :(((. Then there's the people who would just talk about nsfw topics without ever thinking about it or ever checking your age because "omg you seemed so mature."
 
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VeeStars

uh I can explain?
I'd keep my children off the internet until they turn 18, period.
That seems like the wrong choice. The internet allows for so much. How is your child going to get school work done when I assume they will be using some sort of online platform to assign it? I have learned a few hobbies off the internet, like flight simming, game dev, writing, and so on.
 

Toby_Morpheus

Hello, Proto
Parents should be making these decisions for their kids.
Computer, tv, and video games shouldn't be used as cheap babysitters because you're too lazy to keep tabs on what your child is doing.
 

sushy

Gundam Meister
I actually found out about furry art when I was a teenager (12/13 or so). I loved it because it looked like all the cartoon animals in shows that I liked. I actually did not encounter that much NSFW stuff at that time. I did a few times, while looking just for Pokemon images. Personally I think they should be allowed into the fandom (maybe not too young though, so from age 11 or something, if they know how to browse internet well) but make sure that they don't see the NSFW stuff, which can be done by tagging stuff and parents keeping an eye out.
 

VeeStars

uh I can explain?
I actually found out about furry art when I was a teenager (12/13 or so). I loved it because it looked like all the cartoon animals in shows that I liked. I actually did not encounter that much NSFW stuff at that time. I did a few times, while looking just for Pokemon images. Personally I think they should be allowed into the fandom (maybe not too young though, so from age 11 or something, if they know how to browse internet well) but make sure that they don't see the NSFW stuff, which can be done by tagging stuff and parents keeping an eye out.
If you don't ever use FA and have safe search enabled on google you will never encounter any NSFW, which parents should be doing that
 

ConorHyena

From out of the rain.
If you don't ever use FA and have safe search enabled on google you will never encounter any NSFW, which parents should be doing that

this isn't exactly true, google safe search is only so good.

imo this is one of the 'i don't know and I don't care' topics for me. Aside from the obvious minors-should-not-be-in-adult-spaces measures that have to be taken at any time on the web, it's not like there's a policing agency that can ban minors from the furry fandom, and therefor the entire discussion kinda moots itself.
 

VeeStars

uh I can explain?
this isn't exactly true, google safe search is only so good.

imo this is one of the 'i don't know and I don't care' topics for me. Aside from the obvious minors-should-not-be-in-adult-spaces measures that have to be taken at any time on the web, it's not like there's a policing agency that can ban minors from the furry fandom, and therefor the entire discussion kinda moots itself.
You are right, there is no way to police the fandom. Any kid can lie about their age or whatever and bypass basically all that any site can do about that. That's why it should be up to the parents, not up to the entire fandom at large. Some kids are mature enough to use the internet/forums/etc, and if they are then they should totally be using it. Some kids really aren't ready for the internet and don't know how to be safe on it. Either way the parents should make sure they know what their children are up to online and provide more guidance/restriction if their kid needs it. There are many ways to help parents monitor their children, like putting up firewalls or other things that block their children from using certain websites.

haha I don't even know if safe search existed when I started browsing the internet :D But indeed, parents should make sure safe search is on.
I don't exactly know how it works, but it's probably some neural network type deal that looks for naughty things lol.
 

pastelbomber

friendly ferret <3
Personally, I feel there should be spaces for minor furries to be able to express their interest in the fandom in a safe and comfortable environment. I'd see it as age ratings on movies - If you're 12, you're only allowed to view content up to a 12 rating. If you're an adult, you should be free to view what you wish as long as it does no detriment.

Gate-keeping and saying 'this-is-not-for-children' (as stated by other members) perpetuates the wrongful presumption that the furry fandom is inherently sexual in nature. Furry is based on inclusion for whoever wishes to join it. I joined the fandom last year (aged 16), and something I would like to add is that in most cases, children are able to understand more than people think they do. Children, when explained in a manner that they can understand, understand limitations and boundaries. They may ask questions about it, but fundamentally, they are capable of that concept.

In short, children should be protected when joining any community, and adult and older furries hold a duty to their younger peers in this fandom (whether they feel so obligated or not) to protect their younger furry counterparts. It shouldn't be up for debate wherein a child should be protected from sensitive content in ANY situation, this includes what content within their interests they're exposed to, furry, MCU, or Pokemon, or any hobby they have.
 

Toby_Morpheus

Hello, Proto
Personally, I feel there should be spaces for minor furries to be able to express their interest in the fandom in a safe and comfortable environment. I'd see it as age ratings on movies - If you're 12, you're only allowed to view content up to a 12 rating. If you're an adult, you should be free to view what you wish as long as it does no detriment.

Gate-keeping and saying 'this-is-not-for-children' (as stated by other members) perpetuates the wrongful presumption that the furry fandom is inherently sexual in nature. Furry is based on inclusion for whoever wishes to join it. I joined the fandom last year (aged 16), and something I would like to add is that in most cases, children are able to understand more than people think they do. Children, when explained in a manner that they can understand, understand limitations and boundaries. They may ask questions about it, but fundamentally, they are capable of that concept.

In short, children should be protected when joining any community, and adult and older furries hold a duty to their younger peers in this fandom (whether they feel so obligated or not) to protect their younger furry counterparts. It shouldn't be up for debate wherein a child should be protected from sensitive content in ANY situation, this includes what content within their interests they're exposed to, furry, MCU, or Pokemon, or any hobby they have.
That'd be fantastic if adults weren't extremely prevalent in "child only" spaces.
It really comes down to the parents making sure their kids are safe.
 

VeeStars

uh I can explain?
That'd be fantastic if adults weren't extremely prevalent in "child only" spaces.
It really comes down to the parents making sure their kids are safe.
Child-only spaces isn't the solution. Far too easy for adults to lie about their age to lure minors in. And who has to moderate these spaces? More adults? How would we trust them? So on and so on. I'm pretty sure there was a social media platform/app that was for minors only or something and something bad happened on it so they shut it down.
 

Toby_Morpheus

Hello, Proto
Child-only spaces isn't the solution. Far too easy for adults to lie about their age to lure minors in. And who has to moderate these spaces? More adults? How would we trust them? So on and so on. I'm pretty sure there was a social media platform/app that was for minors only or something and something bad happened on it so they shut it down.
There are far, far more than one.
Check out Youtuber MamaMax if you wanna see how much crap goes down.
And that just scratches the surface.
 

pastelbomber

friendly ferret <3
Child-only spaces isn't the solution. Far too easy for adults to lie about their age to lure minors in. And who has to moderate these spaces? More adults? How would we trust them? So on and so on. I'm pretty sure there was a social media platform/app that was for minors only or something and something bad happened on it so they shut it down.
we could propose a code of conduct wherein adults are allowed into sfw spaces with T's and C's - here's a few I came up with:
- If someone is over 18, they are not allowed to DM a minor.
- Minors aren't allowed to DM adults, unless it is a staff.
- Moderation system that evaluates the content of each post (think like google's safesearch on images and language. but better.)
- CEOP resources in the event of any kind of awfulness (online child grooming protection) and a faq detailing for kids of what to look out for if they feel unsafe.

etc etc. I'm sure this could be finessed further but this is off the top of my head.
 

pastelbomber

friendly ferret <3
There are far, far more than one.
Check out Youtuber MamaMax if you wanna see how much crap goes down.
And that just scratches the surface.
oh yeah. didn't he do a whole expose and find paedophile rings on sites targeted at children? beginning to think this is going to be a v e r y complex thing to handle. goddammit. why can't people just not be creeps to kids, man?
 

Toby_Morpheus

Hello, Proto
oh yeah. didn't he do a whole expose and find paedophile rings on sites targeted at children? beginning to think this is going to be a v e r y complex thing to handle. goddammit. why can't people just not be creeps to kids, man?
Because people are fucked.
And yeah, he does a lot of videos about different places adults prey on children.

But yeah. No matter how many protections a place might have, shit still is going to go on. Pedos develop their own language and emoji sets that fly under the nose of the administration, if the admins arent also in on it.
 
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