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Should FA have a way to block out certain submission types?

Should FA have a way to block out certain NSFW "types"?

  • Yes

    Votes: 1 33.3%
  • No

    Votes: 2 66.7%

  • Total voters
    3
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Kamikaze

Guest
In my opinion, FurAffinity really should have a way to block out certain fetishes, certain sexes being portrayed doing sexual activities, or certain "anything" when browsing FA. My essential argument is that there should be some form of a filter on artwork or even stories, and my suggestion would be through tagging, when browsing FA on NSFW, or even SFW. This is simply for their users to feel more comfortable when browsing work for purchasing or just for mere entertainment.

I think FA should have it to where any new submitted art/stories should be tagged appropriately with the sexes portrayed in the image, any noted fetish, or anything in general. And in settings, you can click on what kind of tagged artwork you want to see and what kinds that you don't (according to the tags.) And if any artwork is not tagged appropriately, users can suggest tags, and if an image has no tags at all or tags that don't cover the artwork fully, the image will be taken down. And when I say tags, I mean tags that are set by the site administrators and not the kind of tags people usually type in when submitting a new file. (i.e. malexmale, femalexfeamle, malexfemale, vore, bdsm, rape, diapers, etc.)

Personally: All that said, I really hate having to result to being on SFW the entire time I'm on the site. I see way more things that are unsettling to me when viewing the site on NSFW, than on SFW. But knowing how FA is mainly a site for acceptance and tolerance and feeling at "home", I think implementing some way to get rid of submissions that could cause a user to be uncomfortable is a great idea, that way the user can browse FA like the many others who don't get agitated as easily.

Any thoughts? Do you think they should add this feature or something of the sort?
 
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Sarachaga

Definitely not a lizard
I kinda agree, but I think this feature would be extremely hard to implement. How would you define all the tags? What if the image doesn't fit in any given tag? At what point an image gets into this or this tag? ...
I think this is an extremely complex issue. Personally, I simply keep the SFW filter on.
 
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Kamikaze

Guest
I kinda agree, but I think this feature would be extremely hard to implement. How would you define all the tags? What if the image doesn't fit in any given tag? At what point an image gets into this or this tag? ...
I think this is an extremely complex issue. Personally, I simply keep the SFW filter on.

It would ultimately be up to admins to create a general amount of tags that can cover every category that is main stream. What I was also thinking was that there could be a tag search bar, and once you type in a tag name you like or don't like it can be hidden as well as there be an option to only allow tags you want to see.
And yeah, that's what I have been doing for a long time now, with keeping SFW on. But the basic idea behind this was to address the issue of having to result to keeping SFW the entire time and not enjoy the NSFW part of FA.
 

Saiko

GTWT Survivor
I agree, but they'd have to replicate e621's tagging system, including giving everyone permission to tag any post. This would require updating the permissions, blocking, and moderation systems to handle harassment; and they'd need to record a history of tag edits to make moderation decisions.

It would be great, but given FA's development pace, it won't happen in our lifetime. It doesn't help that they'd also have to instill a culture of tagging after implementing it.
 
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jayhusky

Guest
If you want to search certain content but specifically do not want certain things to appear just use the equivalent of the NOT operator in the search engine.

For example you could search "horror -guts" to get any result for "horror" that doesn't include the term "guts".

I know this is not the tagging system you would like, but it won't ever be in the current version of the site (the db and coding structure simply are too inflexible for this kind of thing without a cascade of fixes to patch other things that will in all honesty break) and if it is a feature of the rewrite, we probably won't see it until 2020 at least. I'm not badmouthing the dev team on the rewrite but it's been ages since any progress report and I have my doubts as for its status.
 
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Kamikaze

Guest
If you want to search certain content but specifically do not want certain things to appear just use the equivalent of the NOT operator in the search engine.

For example you could search "horror -guts" to get any result for "horror" that doesn't include the term "guts".

I know this is not the tagging system you would like, but it won't ever be in the current version of the site (the db and coding structure simply are too inflexible for this kind of thing without a cascade of fixes to patch other things that will in all honesty break) and if it is a feature of the rewrite, we probably won't see it until 2020 at least. I'm not badmouthing the dev team on the rewrite but it's been ages since any progress report and I have my doubts as for its status.

Agreed, but nonetheless this is about viewing any NSFW material on FA. Someone else advised me on Reddit to use the search bar, but this isn't about using the search bar to look up images I want to see (as it's not helpful in my opinion anyways, but that's going down another rabbit hole). It's about being anywhere on FA, rather it be on a user's page, the gallery, browsing user's favorites to find more artist, browsing an artist's gallery, etc. It's more about being comfortable on the site even with NSFW turned on.
I saw a user about a year ago in her journal complain about seeing bondage or BDSM acts when viewing galleries on NSFW. She continued to say that it causes her to become "triggered" and it floods her memory with events she wished would stay in the past. This tagging system could help in cases like these.
Yeah you're right, it may never become a reality on FA, especially with how "outdated" the site is for a lack of a better term. I guess everyone just has the right to complain though. :c
 

nerdbat

Green butt of reason
Kinda ironic that NSFW on e621 is tagged better than FA.
How it's just better organized in general, for that matter. When there are porn sites that are better organized than your one, it means you have some problems with it, lol.

As for suggestion, I would add artwork from "fetish" types (like "vore", "gore/macabre", "inflation") under NSFW filter, no matter if it's general or mature/adult. Technically such artwork may fit to "general" category, but in actuality, it is pretty much NSFW. I mean, it's kinda strange clicking the "SFW" button and still seeing all the diaperfur and fart fetish stuff on the frontpage. Not to mention such thing would be quite easy to implement compared to "community tagging".
 
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Arcturus Maple

Enigmatic Anomaly
Even with a tagging system you can still run into the issue of finding stuff you specifically didn't want to find, due to other tags being picked up or the material opined as offensive not being tagged with the appropriate categories. For their intended purpose, tagging systems work very well. You will find the ar you're looking for and have to to sift through a lot less of the stuff you don't.

In regards to the user who responded badly to seeing certain content, blocking out the material would worsen that user's problem by enabling them to ignore whatever trauma they had and suffering with it the rest of their life as opposed to giving them reason to see a specialist who could help them recover from said trauma and not live bound by the shackles of fear.
 
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Kamikaze

Guest
Even with a tagging system you can still run into the issue of finding stuff you specifically didn't want to find, due to other tags being picked up or the material opined as offensive not being tagged with the appropriate categories. For their intended purpose, tagging systems work very well. You will find the ar you're looking for and have to to sift through a lot less of the stuff you don't.

In regards to the user who responded badly to seeing certain content, blocking out the material would worsen that user's problem by enabling them to ignore whatever trauma they had and suffering with it the rest of their life as opposed to giving them reason to see a specialist who could help them recover from said trauma and not live bound by the shackles of fear.
I don't think you read all that I posted thoroughly, I addressed that first paragraph you wrote.
As for the second, one, kinda rude eh? It wouldn't worsen it, it would help them cope. And she wasn't fearful, she was pissed off and reliving moments she wished she could just forget about. For the life of me, I wish I could remember her username to link the journal. And assuming she hasn't seen a specialist and essentially saying that being able to see those kind of things would some how help her is probably one of the most stupidest and inconsiderate statements I have ever read in my entire life. Have you ever heard of PTSD?
 
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jayhusky

Guest
Agreed, but nonetheless this is about viewing any NSFW material on FA. Someone else advised me on Reddit to use the search bar, but this isn't about using the search bar to look up images I want to see (as it's not helpful in my opinion anyways, but that's going down another rabbit hole). It's about being anywhere on FA, rather it be on a user's page, the gallery, browsing user's favorites to find more artist, browsing an artist's gallery, etc. It's more about being comfortable on the site even with NSFW turned on.
I saw a user about a year ago in her journal complain about seeing bondage or BDSM acts when viewing galleries on NSFW. She continued to say that it causes her to become "triggered" and it floods her memory with events she wished would stay in the past. This tagging system could help in cases like these.
Yeah you're right, it may never become a reality on FA, especially with how "outdated" the site is for a lack of a better term. I guess everyone just has the right to complain though. :c

Well I never said it couldn't become a feature, it just is extremely unlikely in the current version of the site, but it is possible for the rewrite. I do agree it could be a very good addition to the site however.
 

Caraid

Classy cat
When there are porn sites that are better organized than your one, it means you have some problems with it, lol.

False equivalence, and don't forget that the main purpose of E621 is to show porn in an organised way, whereas FA has (believe it or not) 75% SFW work and a variety of functions besides just showing art. It's a different kind of website with different priorities.

A tagging filter is only as good as the people who use and moderate the tags. As it is now, artists can choose to not tag their work at all and I imagine a lot of art would just slip through anyway, plus I doubt FA has the resources or the people to moderate wrongly tagged images for the minority of their content. It might seem like a relatively simple thing to implement but what little I know of software engineering tells me that this is probably a lot more complex than it sounds, and it may just not be worth the trouble for those few people who are uncomfortable seeing certain fetishes mixed up with their preferred porn.
 
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Kamikaze

Guest
False equivalence, and don't forget that the main purpose of E621 is to show porn in an organised way, whereas FA has (believe it or not) 75% SFW work and a variety of functions besides just showing art. It's a different kind of website with different priorities.

A tagging filter is only as good as the people who use and moderate the tags. As it is now, artists can choose to not tag their work at all and I imagine a lot of art would just slip through anyway, plus I doubt FA has the resources or the people to moderate wrongly tagged images for the minority of their content. It might seem like a relatively simple thing to implement but what little I know of software engineering tells me that this is probably a lot more complex than it sounds, and it may just not be worth the trouble for those few people who are uncomfortable seeing certain fetishes mixed up with their preferred porn.

I definitely should reword my entire argument.
 

Arcturus Maple

Enigmatic Anomaly
I honestly don't believe that showing someone images of something which traumatized them will better them in any way. That said, if someone has been traumatized by something, they should seek help to heal the mental scars left by those experiences. Such trauma can have a severe effect on other areas of a person's life, perhaps only tangentially related to the original trauma. Avoiding the source of trauma can work, but life is rarely so forgiving and it is generally inevitable that the source of trauma will be encountered again in one form or another. Therefore it makes more sense to develop a resilience (or defense mechanism, if you prefer the term) to the trauma than to spend the rest of your days dreading it.

I'll admit my own personal traumas were almost definitely lesser than the subject of earlier discussion. Seeing a close friend run down in a crosswalk feet before my eyes has given me a strong fear and respect for automobiles. It wasn't a terrible enough experience to need a therapist for and I was able to work out my own approach to calm my fears quiet the memories through logic and habit. If I did find myself incapable of overcoming my new fear, I would rather get help from someone else than let it hold power over me.
 

Khazius

The Fruit Bat
There isnt really a way for this to be done though. They have the SFW feature where posters select if something is SFW, NSFW or Mature ("Tasteful Nudity"). That doesnt stop lazy, or just plane rude artists from posting NSFW content as SFW content. You would need either A. A staff of people to review all art and fix incorrect posts (And punish if necessary) or B. some sort of software to do it (I dont see this being a real option)
 

AnonTheMouse

New Member
In all seriousness, though. Why is this not already a feature? I came to the forums because I refused to believe that you couldn't block tags, and thought I just didn't know how.

I don't care about enforcement or tagging rules, even. Most people are good about tagging their art thoroughly anyhow, because they want it to be seen. Everybody has things they would rather not see. So why isn't it a thing that you can block tags that you don't want to see? That's something that everyone could use.
 

quoting_mungo

Well-Known Member
That doesnt stop lazy, or just plane rude artists from posting NSFW content as SFW content. You would need either A. A staff of people to review all art and fix incorrect posts (And punish if necessary)
There's way too much content being posted, way too quickly, for all posted content to be vetted by staff. However, we're happy to review reported content and adjust ratings if necessary - just file a ticket under "Inappropriate Classification" linking to the submission you feel is misrated (preferably with a brief reason why so we can be sure we see what you see), and we'll have a look.
 

Khazius

The Fruit Bat
There's way too much content being posted, way too quickly, for all posted content to be vetted by staff. However, we're happy to review reported content and adjust ratings if necessary - just file a ticket under "Inappropriate Classification" linking to the submission you feel is misrated (preferably with a brief reason why so we can be sure we see what you see), and we'll have a look.
Yeah, my point was that its unrealistic, the way its set up is the only plausible solution currently.
 

Kezi Avdiivka

Active Member
YESPLZ

I swear to God some of the shit people draw or make is just.....disgusting and screwed up royal. I often time's ask myself, "Why would anyone draw that? it's not a good thing or funny...it's mental illness"
 

AnonTheMouse

New Member
There's way too much content being posted, way too quickly, for all posted content to be vetted by staff. However, we're happy to review reported content and adjust ratings if necessary - just file a ticket under "Inappropriate Classification" linking to the submission you feel is misrated (preferably with a brief reason why so we can be sure we see what you see), and we'll have a look.

Really, OP's vetting wouldn't even be needed. Just being able to permanently "unsearch" certain tags (and maybe certain artists) so those images don't show up would make pretty much everyone's experience more enjoyable. Sure, some people might forget a tag, so it wouldn't catch everything (a good argument for being able to block artists that consistently do so) but it would get most things, and just seeing a lot less of the things you don't want to see, whatever that is, would make a big difference for a lot of people. I know that there are certain subjects that can just ruin my day, and I'd imagine it's the same for most people, even if which subjects they are differs.
 

ReeseDobie

Queen Dobie
I agree, to an extent.

As an artist/browser, I think it'd be a GREAT idea to implement a tagging/untagging system that would allow us to follow/unfollow certain tags. Like, personally, I don't like seeing cub porn, or insinuated cub porn. (Not bashing those who enjoy it, just saying.. I don't want to HAVE to look at it, y'know?) I would love for there to be a way that I can hit "permanently unfollow all cub tags" or whatever..

But as someone who know website design and programming, as "set" as FA is, it'd take completely redoing everything on the website to make it. It's unrealistic at this point, without completely rewriting the entire site.
 

ReeseDobie

Queen Dobie
I'm not sure what you mean by "insinuated cub porn" - FA doesn't allow minors in sexual content at all. Are you talking about ABDL/ageplay type content?

Yes. Anything that implies that a "cub" could be potentially in a sexual situation. I know FA says they don't allow it, but it's there.
 

MadKiyo

I've been de-batted, oh no!
Yes. I personally don't want to see vore with various body parts and areas.
 

quoting_mungo

Well-Known Member
Yes. Anything that implies that a "cub" could be potentially in a sexual situation. I know FA says they don't allow it, but it's there.
If the "cub" is in fact a minor it's not allowed, and chances are we've just not seen it. Report it.

If it's an adult in a diaper, that's a different story, and while I respect that it's not your thing, it's not cub.
 
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