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Should young artists of the age of consent be allowed to draw NSFW and post without consequence?

Should minors of the age of consent be allowed to draw NSFW and post it online, but not sell it?

  • Yes!

    Votes: 16 27.1%
  • No!

    Votes: 31 52.5%
  • I'm indifferent!

    Votes: 12 20.3%

  • Total voters
    59

Skittlesthehusky

#1 forum dweller, fear me if you see me.
So this is a discussion that a Discord server and I have been having a discussion on for a while, and it honestly made me curious to see what you guys think. Before going further into this topic, I'd like to quickly make a disclaimer.

All opinions are open, but please do not attack others for their ideology. Be reasonable with your response as well, and be sure that you aren't overly sexual in your reply or make any overly controversial statements that could risk your post being quarantined and possibly you being muted by a forum deity. I don't want anyone to get in trouble here, and I definitely don't want to overstep any rules or lead others down that path.

And now, we begin.

we were bringing up age of consent (in sexual favor) and possible correlation with it and art when it comes to things like artistic nudity or mature-themed artwork, and a few people have argued one of two points;

  • "Yes, minors should be allowed to draw NSFW publicly because if they're legal enough to have sex, they should be able to have the responsibility to post online images featuring mature themes UNLESS it's of their own body or they're attempting to sell the pieces to an adult, then they shouldn't be allowed to post it or distribute it."
  • "No, minors should not be allowed to draw NSFW publicly because they're still legally minors until they reach the age of 17-18. The law is the law, and it states that minors could be criminally charged for illegally distributing pornographic material among peers older or younger than them. Artistic freedom and age of consent shouldn't excuse minors from this law."


For me, personally, I find it to be in a grey area. I don't really see that much of a problem of minors at the age of consent uploading NSFW artwork as long as they don't flaunt it constantly or try to sell it to someone if they're not legally an adult. Mature artwork being drawn shouldn't be shamed, since minors are still likely to view pornographic/mature material anyway, whether you like it or not. Plus, if they're of the age of consent, they should be responsible enough with mature things at that point since they're most likely already in practice of engaging in sexual activity, and that includes them knowing what community they'd most likely be catering to.
Minors shouldn't be viewed as sexual deviants for drawing and showing these sorts of things to the public unless if it's with malicious intent or they're completely irresponsible with the content they create.

Now, in defense of the law, it would make sense to not allow minors to upload NSFW and distribute the content because of their safety and for the other party's reputation financially, and I definitely don't see that law to be that much of a problem since it isn't limiting creativity so much, but I would preferably make it where minors should be allowed to express mature themes in their publicly hosted NSFW content as long as it doesn't overstep boundaries; (unsolicited art of others without written consent, completely touching on deeply taboo topics [p*dophilia, b*stiality, n*crophilia, etc.], sending messages that should not be sent, using their content as a way to manipulate someone, etc.) And as long as they don't attempt to take commissions or sell their pieces, there really shouldn't be a problem.
There's been countless times where I've seen minors draw NSFW content that conveyed a meaning or a story, and it made me think about why people may or may not see it as a taboo thing.

tldr; people are arguing about minors drawing peepees publicly.
there's a huge grey area.
i personally don't see a problem with it as long as it's reasonably drawn and the artist is responsible with what they create and don't try to get money off of it 'till they're legal.

So tell me, what do you guys think about this controversial topic? Do you think minors at the age of consent should be allowed to do this or not? Tell me all about it!

[Side note to forum deities: If this topic is too controversial to be spoken about, feel free to move it to a better subcategory or privately message me and I'll remove the topic myself at a point in time.]
 
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Fallowfox

Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
If the artists are under 18, they should not be allowed to post NSFW art to the internet.

Those rules are there to prevent young people who are not fully emotionally mature yet from being exploited by older, cunning adults.
Love between two 16 year olds in real life is fine, and I wouldn't get in the way of it. A 35 year old petitioning a 16 year old to draw pornography is definitely not on though.
 

Skittlesthehusky

#1 forum dweller, fear me if you see me.
If the artists are under 18, they should not be allowed to post NSFW art to the internet.

Those rules are there to prevent young people who are not fully emotionally mature yet from being exploited by older, cunning adults.
Love between two 16 year olds in real life is fine, and I wouldn't get in the way of it. A 35 year old petitioning a 16 year old to draw pornography is definitely not on though.
Right, right. I definitely get what you mean.
However, hypothetically, what if a minor was smart enough to recognize potential exploits? Should it apply then?
 

Fallowfox

Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
Right, right. I definitely get what you mean.
However, hypothetically, what if a minor was smart enough to recognize potential exploits? Should it apply then?

No. We're meant to be the responsible adults who can be trusted to prevent harm coming to children if we can see that there's a chance of it happening.
We can't allow them to participate in adult sexual spaces.
 

Skittlesthehusky

#1 forum dweller, fear me if you see me.
No. We're meant to be the responsible adults who can be trusted to prevent harm coming to children if we can see that there's a chance of it happening.
We can't allow them to participate in adult sexual spaces.
Fair point!
 

Shadow of Bucephalus

Banned
Banned
(Note, please transfer this topic over to the "General Discussion" subcategory. The categories upon creating this post were overlooked and I put it in 'Community Discussion' instead, in which I apologize.)

So this is a discussion that a Discord server and I have been having a discussion on for a while, and it honestly made me curious to see what you guys think. Before going further into this topic, I'd like to quickly make a disclaimer.

All opinions are open, but please do not attack others for their ideology. Be reasonable with your response as well, and be sure that you aren't overly sexual in your reply or make any overly controversial statements that could risk your post being quarantined and possibly you being muted by a forum deity. I don't want anyone to get in trouble here, and I definitely don't want to overstep any rules or lead others down that path.

And now, we begin.

we were bringing up age of consent (in sexual favor) and possible correlation with it and art when it comes to things like artistic nudity or mature-themed artwork, and a few people have argued one of two points;

  • "Yes, minors should be allowed to draw NSFW publicly because if they're legal enough to have sex, they should be able to have the responsibility to post online images featuring mature themes UNLESS it's of their own body or they're attempting to sell the pieces to an adult, then they shouldn't be allowed to post it or distribute it."
  • "No, minors should not be allowed to draw NSFW publicly because they're still legally minors until they reach the age of 17-18. The law is the law, and it states that minors could be criminally charged for illegally distributing pornographic material among peers older or younger than them. Artistic freedom and age of consent shouldn't excuse minors from this law."


For me, personally, I find it to be in a grey area. I don't really see that much of a problem of minors at the age of consent uploading NSFW artwork as long as they don't flaunt it constantly or try to sell it to someone if they're not legally an adult. Mature artwork being drawn shouldn't be shamed, since minors are still likely to view pornographic/mature material anyway, whether you like it or not. Plus, if they're of the age of consent, they should be responsible enough with mature things at that point since they're most likely already in practice of engaging in sexual activity, and that includes them knowing what community they'd most likely be catering to.
Minors shouldn't be viewed as sexual deviants for drawing and showing these sorts of things to the public unless if it's with malicious intent or they're completely irresponsible with the content they create.

Now, in defense of the law, it would make sense to not allow minors to upload NSFW and distribute the content because of their safety and for the other party's reputation financially, and I definitely don't see that law to be that much of a problem since it isn't limiting creativity so much, but I would preferably make it where minors should be allowed to express mature themes in their publicly hosted NSFW content as long as it doesn't overstep boundaries; (unsolicited art of others without written consent, completely touching on deeply taboo topics [p*dophilia, b*stiality, n*crophilia, etc.], sending messages that should not be sent, using their content as a way to manipulate someone, etc.) And as long as they don't attempt to take commissions or sell their pieces, there really shouldn't be a problem.
There's been countless times where I've seen minors draw NSFW content that conveyed a meaning or a story, and it made me think about why people may or may not see it as a taboo thing.

tldr; people are arguing about minors drawing peepees publicly.
there's a huge grey area.
i personally don't see a problem with it as long as it's reasonably drawn and the artist is responsible with what they create and don't try to get money off of it 'till they're legal.

So tell me, what do you guys think about this controversial topic? Do you think minors at the age of consent should be allowed to do this or not? Tell me all about it!

[Side note to forum deities: If this topic is too controversial to be spoken about, feel free to move it to a better subcategory or privately message me and I'll remove the topic myself at a point in time.]

If they're of the 'Age of Consent'?
They're no longer Minors.

End of worry
 
Minors are not allowed to access porn, no matter the age of consent.
They're also not allowed to share porn or nude content with adults.

Then, of course they can draw anything they want, as we can't police this.
But, no, they are not allowed to post it online. And anyone encouraging them might encounter some trouble.
 

Shadow of Bucephalus

Banned
Banned
minors should never ever draw or write porn of any kind. it's just weird. but a lot of minors still do it regardless. this fact honestly screws with me head nowadays...

Curiosity into the dingles and dongles is not perverse, and every child alive has at some point played the game of 'Doctor' (with various different provisions, no doubt).

One thing I've never understood (and I grew-up here), is the Western World's utter prejudice about sex/uality.

NOT advocating child porn, so don't even start.
 

Skittlesthehusky

#1 forum dweller, fear me if you see me.
Minors are not allowed to access porn, no matter the age of consent.
They're also not allowed to share porn or nude content with adults.

Then, of course they can draw anything they want, as we can't police this.
But, no, they are not allowed to post it online. And anyone encouraging them might encounter some trouble.

minors should never ever draw or write porn of any kind. it's just weird. but a lot of minors still do it regardless. this fact honestly screws with me head nowadays...
I understand you two. Honestly, I can get why it can be weird.
But one thing I don't understand is why people consider them creating their own form of pornography/artistic for personal use as entirely bad or strange to people?
If it's for them and them only, there shouldn't be that much of a problem, right?
 

Skittlesthehusky

#1 forum dweller, fear me if you see me.
Curiosity into the dingles and dongles is not perverse, and every child alive has at some point played the game of 'Doctor' (with various different provisions, no doubt).

One thing I've never understood (and I grew-up here), is the Western World's utter prejudice about sex/uality.

NOT advocating child porn, so don't even start.
Double-post, but ^
This kind of supports what I'm trying to convey here.
 

zenmaldita

always hungry
You can't stop kids making NSFW (heck I did it) but you can and should stop them from posting it online or making their services available to adults as NSFW commissions.
It is illegal, immoral, and wrong.

what if a minor was smart enough to recognize potential exploits? Should it apply then?
a minor will never be smart enough than an adult who's been through the dirty world far longer than they have
the real world is shitty than highschool
 

Fruitythebeetle

Goes by kappapeachie now
I'm gonna be frank...i was exposed to sexual things as a child via though anime and other things. it kinda colored my perception on human sexuality and made me realize things i haven't known before (like me possibly being bisexual). does that mean i wanna have the same happen to others below my age? not really. there's gonna be a moment in a kid's life where they're first exposed to sexual content and it's the responsibility of the adults that raise them to explain to them what they mean. there's people out there who have a hard time telling the different between reality and fiction, and porn can clearly damage a persons idea of sexuality.
 

Skittlesthehusky

#1 forum dweller, fear me if you see me.
You can't stop kids making NSFW (heck I did it) but you can and should stop them from posting it online or making their services available to adults as NSFW commissions.
It is illegal, immoral, and wrong.

//a minor will never be smart enough than an adult who's been through the dirty world far longer than they have
the real world is shitty than highschool//
Reasonable enough. And I'd figure so, which is why I specified that it was hypothetical!


I'm gonna be frank...i was exposed to sexual things as a child via though anime and other things. it kinda colored my perception on human sexuality and made me realize things i haven't known before (like me possibly being bisexual). does that mean i wanna have the same happen to others below my age? not really. there's gonna be a moment in a kid's life where they're first exposed to sexual content and it's the responsibility of the adults that raise them to explain to them what they mean. there's people out there who have a hard time telling the different between reality and fiction, and porn can clearly damage a persons idea of sexuality.
Right, right. Sometimes porn can ruin expectation and perception of sex/uality if a minor hasn't been exposed to those things before.
But here's the thing. I've came to realize that some families raise their kids and give them 'the talk' at a very young age, which makes it seem like the kid understands the world of sexuality much more quickly around the time the age of consent is placed on their status.

This isn't meant to boggle your statement, by the way. It's just a secondhand thought I had upon reading this. :'0
 
I think you should be allowed to draw and post what ever you want no matter what age you are, as long as they do not post IRL nudes of themselves I don't care. I don't think you should take that freedom away from anyone, It's so much better than to post IRL stuff. Most people do not get hurt by art. It does indeed look silly when a 12 year old draw sexual stuff with crayons but it does not harm anyone, they should of course be told to maybe not show their classmates or teacher. They must know that those kind of things are more safe to post on websites where no one knows who they are. Personally I post lots of nude art at my Instagram but I'm 21 years old and don't really care what people think of it, most people seem to like it tho.
 

Fallowfox

Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
I think you should be allowed to draw and post what ever you want no matter what age you are, as long as they do not post IRL nudes of themselves I don't care. I don't think you should take that freedom away from anyone, It's so much better than to post IRL stuff. Most people do not get hurt by art. It does indeed look silly when a 12 year old draw sexual stuff with crayons but it does not harm anyone, they should of course be told to maybe not show their classmates or teacher. They must know that those kind of things are more safe to post on websites where no one knows who they are. Personally I post lots of nude art at my Instagram but I'm 21 years old and don't really care what people think of it, most people seem to like it tho.

Minors shouldn't be able to view or upload pornography because their participation in adult sexual spaces will result in some adults making sexual requests of them.
Children don't have the ability to consent to those requests.
 

Astus

Well Known Foxxo
It's kind of funny, because when I traveled to Peru we stayed in a little community center on an island in the middle of Titicaca. On the wall there were crude drawings made by five year olds of men and women with accurate body parts. In other places in the world, when people become biologically able to have sex, their parents or grandparents teach them about sex and how to behave appropriately and when they should have it. In those places there seems to be less issues associated with sexual crimes, etc... Granted I read through these things when I took a sex and gender across cultures class... So accuracy of data unknown

I do know however in the United States that people are really afraid to talk about sex or really describe what it is or why/when you should have sex with someone (mainly because of our country's roots and such). What is a kid who's just gone through puberty, is having odd feelings, and doesn't have much of a place to turn to do? They go to the internet nowadays and see all that there is on there. And I'm sure you all know what you can find on the internet. On top of all that, our sex education classes are pretty much a joke. They just pass messages along like "wear xyz" and "do xyz" but no one listens or cares.

So why the hell did I just say all of that? It's because it makes sense why teenagers of that age group would want to try to get into NSFW chats or draw lewd things. The issue for them is precisely what everyone else has been describing; that the current laws exist to protect them from making bad decisions and potentially being targeted by disgusting people. If you're underage and make NSFW stuff keep it to yourself. And if you have questions, ask trustworthy people IRL, or when you eventually have kids be more open with them about sex when they're of the age. Sex isn't a bad thing, but it can become a bad thing if not discussed at the right time by the right people.
 
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