kontonakuma
Member
No...that's not what they're saying to bookmark...
You have a message. Click on the message and it takes you to the comment, submission, whatever. Bookmark that page it takes you to, not the message page.
Something We All Can Do To Help Prevent The Next Big Downtime
- Thread starter maxgoof
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No...that's not what they're saying to bookmark...
You have a message. Click on the message and it takes you to the comment, submission, whatever. Bookmark that page it takes you to, not the message page.
seaweed
... is not a piece of flotsam
But if the person deletes the submission or comment, etc, then you are in the same boat. I have quite a few pics in my favorites that people have deleted, and all I have is a gray x there now.
So saving whatever it is that you want as an .html file so you get the whole page makes more sense.
seaweed
... is not a piece of flotsam
Yeah we got like.. 2 or 3 free games and I think some free PSN time if I remember correctly. They really went out of their way to try to keep their user base.
Have to say that it worked for me. I love my PS3.
kontonakuma
Member
There would be no point in keeping the message notifications either at that point. Which is why the bookmark idea was suggested, to help clean up your notifications you may wanted to look at later.
Duraji
"That Android Guy"
I got Wipeout HD and Dead Nation as my free games. I also got a couple PSP games, and they gave everyone free PS+ Membership for like 60 days.
So I know for sure that Dragoneer will give me some "Yiff+(tm)" Membership and two free sexy androids of my choosing! Right?
... what do you mean real life androids haven't been invented yet? Goddamn it. :<
seaweed
... is not a piece of flotsam
I have enough bookmarks as it is right now to be honest. I would rather keep the favorite submissions so I don't have to bookmark every single one. Bookmarks would get out of hand quickly.
I really don't see any reason to keep any notification more than 90 days. That is totally separate from favorite submissions, which of course people keep semi-permanently.
seaweed
... is not a piece of flotsam
I want to say I got Little Big Planet? I forgot the other one. I unfortunately don't have a PSP so no free game for me for that system. Oh well. *plays my 3DS happily*
Androids kinda freak me out.. humaoid robots are creepy. I'll just take the Yiff+(tm)
StevenRoy
New Member
There's an FA user I watch (not naming names!) who occasionally Livestreams art. Sometimes we get a glimpse of the artist's FA page, and I always cringe when I see how many notifications are indicated at the top of the page. At one point, I even begged, begged the person: clean out some of them! "That can't be good for the database," I said once, at least several months ago - not knowing just how right I would apparently be!
It's been a while, but if I remember right, there were over 500,000 - and that's just the submissions, not the journals (also a huge number), watches (over 1000), or unread notes (also over 1000 - shame, shame!).
(Or maybe 50,000 submissions; I'm only 80% sure I remembered the number of digits right, but it's still up there!)
...
That's who I blame for this outage now.
(No, not really!)
(Well... maybe a little bit. But I respect this artist enough to forgive a bit of sloppiness, and if any of you know who I'm talking about, I ask you to do the same. Remember, with better site coding, this wouldn't have been an issue in the first place!)
...
As for FA's new pruning limit, I fully approve of the concept. I think the limit itself should probably be more lenient, though. Instead of 90 days, how about 1 year? That'll still purge tons of junk, but be much less likely to be noticed by the people who'd be annoyed by it! (It could even be a gradual limit to get us used to the idea; make the limit 3 years for two months, 2 years for six more months, and then 1 year.)
It's been a while, but if I remember right, there were over 500,000 - and that's just the submissions, not the journals (also a huge number), watches (over 1000), or unread notes (also over 1000 - shame, shame!).
(Or maybe 50,000 submissions; I'm only 80% sure I remembered the number of digits right, but it's still up there!)
...
That's who I blame for this outage now.
(No, not really!)
(Well... maybe a little bit. But I respect this artist enough to forgive a bit of sloppiness, and if any of you know who I'm talking about, I ask you to do the same. Remember, with better site coding, this wouldn't have been an issue in the first place!)
...
As for FA's new pruning limit, I fully approve of the concept. I think the limit itself should probably be more lenient, though. Instead of 90 days, how about 1 year? That'll still purge tons of junk, but be much less likely to be noticed by the people who'd be annoyed by it! (It could even be a gradual limit to get us used to the idea; make the limit 3 years for two months, 2 years for six more months, and then 1 year.)
GamerFox
Active Member
Mm. I'll settle for Curtain No. 2.
Duraji
"That Android Guy"
Aww. Ahh well, to each their own! ^^ I can see why the idea of an attractive and friendly yet uncanny lifelike synthetic entity wouldn't be for everyone. More for me, then.
(and if anyone's morbidly curious as to what I'm talking about, you can always look at my gallery while we're still in read-only mode and I feel like pimping out my ideas! But I shan't be held responsible for anyone who goes deaf dumb and blind from what they might see in there... X3 )
kontonakuma
Member
Holy crap, That's...WAY too many messages to let build up and sit there taking up unnecessary space.
People build up a lot of messages in a year. My friend gets 1k in messages, submissions only, in the span of a month. Maybe do messages from over 6 months ago at most.
seaweed
... is not a piece of flotsam
You have me curious as to who it is.. I have a guess but I don't think they would have had *THAT* many.
I do like the idea of gradually pruning it down, though I would probably go 1 year, then 9 months, then 6 months, and just leave it there.. But I am not sure if gradual pruning wold actually cause more trouble than just one quick wash of the system.
I agree 90 days is pretty low.. But maybe the issue is worse than they are letting on and they really need to purge that much crap. 6 months- 1 year makes more sense, but I am just glad they are taking this step. We can only hope that it will help the stability issues.
There's an old saying. "SHIT HAPPENS!"
Sometimes, unforseen problems come up, and you're forced to take longer than expected. I've had more than my fair share of that doing electrical and HVAC work. The biggest issue, from what I've been reading, is that FA was using a certain software for notifications, and FA has vastly outgrown that software's capacity. Whether this happened 5 years ago, now, or 5 year from now, eventually they would have to change to different software. That it caused a critical backlog now is just luck saying a great big F U! to FA.
They will get it fixed.
They will come back online.
They could do some of this in a much more timely manner if some people who sat there bitching because they can't get their daily fix of porn actually donated some money to the site instead of God knows how much in commissions every year.
If this site being down causes an artist's (whether art, music, writing, photography, etc) business to come to a complete standstill, then that artist needs to get a better system of communicating with clients outside of FA, since nobody should rely on one single website for their entire livelyhood.
If this site being down causes a watcher's life to come to a complete standstill, I'd encourage that person to go to yellowpages.com and search for local psychiatrists. Because, seriously, they need help. And fresh air.
tl;dr it's just a website. Check in, then move on, until it's back up. THEN go back to being obsessive, and FFS, delete notifications you haven't even looked at in the last 3 years!
Wandering_Smoke
New Member
Looks like I'm screwed. I keep watches from friends or local furs because I can't remember names. Certain submissions I keep because I want to remember it, like the "Creepy Comment Etiquette" pics http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8633325/ and merchandise I'd like to buy someday, like these shot glasses http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8847455/ pocket watches http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10185323/ art books http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10292561/ or comics http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10397293/ I have no excuse for accumulating 33533 submissions, other than depression after losing years worth of stuff a few months ago due to a HDD failure. I'll get it cleared out as fast as I can, but PLEASE give me some time!
The start of the art I need to fav is 232 days old. Could we get an initial limit of 1 year, please? That should clean up FA considerably, and give people like me a chance to go through everything.
The start of the art I need to fav is 232 days old. Could we get an initial limit of 1 year, please? That should clean up FA considerably, and give people like me a chance to go through everything.
Duraji
"That Android Guy"
I think they said you'll get a grace period, at least for the really important stuff. But it would be good to get rid of favorites really quickly, then really old journals. From there you can go through comments at your own pace, and then submissions, though you'll have to go through a week's worth at a time to purge them in a timely manner. I think they won't have any limits on notes for now, since those are still extremely important to be able to archive.
FoxWolfie
Pee-Stinky Raccoon
Where do you see promises? They have not promised anything in any of their update statements so far. The current timeline says, "sometime in the next 24 hours." But, that's only a hopeful estimate, which may not be met if other problems crop up. It will be up when it is ready, but they can only estimate the timeline.
thoron
Member
This is all stuff in the notifications page right?
Don't blame it all on site coding. As Net-cat pointed out in the update, the issue isn't the site, it's the program that was handling the notifications database. That software has a capacity far below what FA has grown to have. I don't even want to imagine what software licenses for that kind of thing cost, so I'm betting they simply haven't changed software until things broke completely. Everybody needs to remember that this site runs entirely on donations. None of the admins get paid to do this.
thoron
Member
I'm not bragging, I feel ashamed of what I let pile up through procrastination and forgetfulness.
seaweed
... is not a piece of flotsam
Yay, way to rehash dead horses that have already been beaten.
People *HAVE* donated to the site, donated hardware and money.. and yet, here we are, so please don't tell us that throwing more money at it will make it work. We have already seen that it has not.
The communication issue outside of FA has been beaten to death as well. Telling someone just go elsewhere doesn't work, so I am not going any further into that.
No one is saying that their life is coming to a complete standstill, we are just ticked that we have heard "its almost done" for at least 4 days now.
kontonakuma
Member
Probably
Blackheart the wolf
New Member
http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/843220-Site-Status-2013-12-16 they said they will be doing something like that for notifications older than 90 days. I honestly don't see the point of keeping notifications that old lol. I mean if you have notifications that old then you have obviously seen them already so just get rid of them lol. I try to clean mine out every couple of weeks. And i would imagine that the more old notifications people keep the more it backs up the system.
Once in my life I have been a good guy and actually deleted all my notifications. Given the fact that I have about 100 Submissions plus Journals to work through a day. We all know what one year of absence would mean, now take all those semi-dead users who are all about faving and watching hundreds of artist. So, maybe one should limit that and I mean not imposing by rule but simply by logic. If you cannot view all those images and journals, then probably choose the artists you want to watch better.
kontonakuma
Member
I use to feel like that too, until I've talked to plenty of friends about it. The majority of them are just too damn lazy, while a few really do watch that many people where they'd spend the entire day if they went through their messages all at once.