Something We All Can Do To Help Prevent The Next Big Downtime
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maxgoof
Active Member
So, it seems to me, the best things each of us can do to prevent the next big downtime are these:
1) Clear out all submission notifications. Use your favorites or download items you want to revisit. Remember, you are WATCHING these artists.
2) Clear out all comment notifications. The comments will still be there tomorrow. You don't need to be reminded of them once you read them.
3) Clear out all journal notifications. Be honest, do you really read all of the journals?
4) Clear out all watch notifications. Thank new ones or watch back, whatever, then clear them out. You have a list down at the bottom of your profile.
Those will do the most good. Also good ideas, but not as necessary:
a) Trash and Delete old notes.
b) Delete old journals.
c) Delete old, improved on, submissions.
Lastly, convince all of our watchers to do the same.
We do those things, we lose nothing important, and stave off the next database crash.
1) Clear out all submission notifications. Use your favorites or download items you want to revisit. Remember, you are WATCHING these artists.
2) Clear out all comment notifications. The comments will still be there tomorrow. You don't need to be reminded of them once you read them.
3) Clear out all journal notifications. Be honest, do you really read all of the journals?
4) Clear out all watch notifications. Thank new ones or watch back, whatever, then clear them out. You have a list down at the bottom of your profile.
Those will do the most good. Also good ideas, but not as necessary:
a) Trash and Delete old notes.
b) Delete old journals.
c) Delete old, improved on, submissions.
Lastly, convince all of our watchers to do the same.
We do those things, we lose nothing important, and stave off the next database crash.
Stratelier
Well-Known Member
Did anyone mention that if we can customize WHAT we want to watch from users this would also help avoid generating wasted notifications?
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TehSean
weasyl.com/profile/naoki
PheagleAdler
Well-Known Member
to the people that are saying, "DON'T DELETE MY NOTES" or something, they're not deleting actual content, they're just deleting NOTIFICATIONS! You know, the messages that you see at the top of your screen when you log in? The notes, journals, comments, and submissions attached to them WILL NOT BE TOUCHED. So you have nothing to worry about unless you're a notifications-hoarder (if that is the case, may I suggest a new year's resolution?)
Edit: just noticed that I'm "HOT HOT HOT!" ...when did that happen?
Edit: just noticed that I'm "HOT HOT HOT!" ...when did that happen?
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maxgoof
Active Member
No, because this thread is about what WE can do, not what we can complain to the admins to implement.
kontonakuma
Member
I honestly don't get why this isn't getting through to some people. Deleting your notifications does not delete the actual message, you can go bookmark the page clicking the notification link will give you and then nuke the notifications once you're sure you've got everything saved to look at later. Or if you don't let it build up over time, just simply opening things in new tabs to look at later, as I mentioned before. An artist's work/journal isn't gone once you delete the message about it in your inbox.
Well since this thread isn't about it, it's about users themselves helping with the issues that are going on, I would suggest starting your own thread about this?
Fahrenheit 451 reference. You have 451 posts.Edit: just noticed that I'm "HOT HOT HOT!" ...when did that happen?
prinnyex
Exploding Penguin
take out the trash sigghhh
I don't know if this was said yet, but I've notice alot of people don't know, and i didn't know until recently, that even if you trash a note, it does NOT get deleted unless you go into the trash and delete it yerself.
by the time i learned this, i had notes going back 2 years and it took me a year and a day just to get them down to one year ago because of either conversations or commission info.
i haven't had a chance to check if this goes the same for the OUTBOX as well since it keeps sent messages there as well and from what i noticed it doesn't delete them after a certain time either.
so people might wanna check those out and put some effort into cleaning them out
I don't know if this was said yet, but I've notice alot of people don't know, and i didn't know until recently, that even if you trash a note, it does NOT get deleted unless you go into the trash and delete it yerself.
by the time i learned this, i had notes going back 2 years and it took me a year and a day just to get them down to one year ago because of either conversations or commission info.
i haven't had a chance to check if this goes the same for the OUTBOX as well since it keeps sent messages there as well and from what i noticed it doesn't delete them after a certain time either.
so people might wanna check those out and put some effort into cleaning them out
kontonakuma
Member
Re: take out the trash sigghhh
This as well. Which I need to remember to do myself.
We can, but what is it going to do at this point? We have an update explaining what's wrong and when they hope the site to be up, another update just repeating it in short version, complaining really isn't going to do much else at this point.
This as well. Which I need to remember to do myself.
We can, but what is it going to do at this point? We have an update explaining what's wrong and when they hope the site to be up, another update just repeating it in short version, complaining really isn't going to do much else at this point.
GreenReaper
Rambling Norn
Some users are concerned because their mental model of the system doesn't match reality. Such mismatches are a common cause of usability issues.
Because notes appear in the same place as other notifications, they think they are stored in the same area of the database and handled in the same way - and are therefore at risk of being lost. In practice, they are different things, and I suspect are handled through quite different mechanisms.
On sites where private message notifications appear in a different area, they are less likely to be confused/conflated with other notifications.
There is also potentially a further mismatch between identifying the notification as the thing itself. Users may also think that notifications take up no space because they are attached to a particular item. Indeed, this might be the case for notes; the "notification" is likely based on how many items remain unread, which could be a property of the actual note object. This makes sense for notes because the system only has to keep track of whether the receiver has read it; it's not a one-to-many relationship.
Because notes appear in the same place as other notifications, they think they are stored in the same area of the database and handled in the same way - and are therefore at risk of being lost. In practice, they are different things, and I suspect are handled through quite different mechanisms.
On sites where private message notifications appear in a different area, they are less likely to be confused/conflated with other notifications.
There is also potentially a further mismatch between identifying the notification as the thing itself. Users may also think that notifications take up no space because they are attached to a particular item. Indeed, this might be the case for notes; the "notification" is likely based on how many items remain unread, which could be a property of the actual note object. This makes sense for notes because the system only has to keep track of whether the receiver has read it; it's not a one-to-many relationship.
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FoxWolfie
Pee-Stinky Raccoon
That's why I suggested a reasonably short time limit, or until the message has been replied to. Most edits are likely to be mistake corrections, like spelling or missing words. Actually saving earlier versions would probably be best though. The larger point is that they can make these updates without removing what we already have, and without introducing things that would break it for some people.
It's not a deal-breaker if they never fix these things. I'm just saying that I'm not against the upgrading, which some people are demanding, as long as they don't break stuff that works in the process. I'm happy for the current look and feel to remain as it is. I'll still be happy to see some things updated, if it doesn't make it harder for me to use as efficiently as I do now.
Nanakisan
Wild lunatic!
...ashamedly... 196887S, 2509C, 106223J, 3172F, 835W, 7N, 133TT
This is the culmination of my notifications. Submissions is nearly 4 years old since the last nuking. Journals are 1 year since last nuke. Comments are 1 year since i last nuked em. Notes however i will not remove. I have a lot of notes that have good memories in them.
This is the culmination of my notifications. Submissions is nearly 4 years old since the last nuking. Journals are 1 year since last nuke. Comments are 1 year since i last nuked em. Notes however i will not remove. I have a lot of notes that have good memories in them.
FoxWolfie
Pee-Stinky Raccoon
There are two ways to zoom a page, and some of them are not really practical for efficiently using a site. When you use ctrl+, are you zooming the entire page, pictures and all, thus causing a horizontal scroll bar to appear? If so, it is not very fun or efficient to read pages when you have to scroll down, then go left to right about three screens worth of distance, then scroll down a little again, then move all the way back to the left, and repeat for the length of the page. If done that way, Weasyl scales without overlapping or clipped text, but it's pretty much unusable because of the excessive horizontal scrolling required. On the other hand, if using ctrl+ only zooms the text, but not the page layout, the width of the page stays the same as the width of the screen, but then Weasyl overlaps and clips text severely, but there is no scrolling hell to go through. FA and Ink Bunny work fine with either type of zooming, with no need to scroll left and right just to do basic reading. Weasyl simply does not, as I am looking at it using Firefox, and just checked using IE. Actually IE handles that site a little better than Firefox, but Weasyl's css container areas do not change size to accommodate any text they contain. FA's tables do adjust, keeping things readable without the need for a scrolling nightmare. Ink Bunny appears to work perfectly well in this area too, and I think theirs is all css.
I don't want to see FA turn into the accessibility nightmare that Weasyl is, just because some people want a new look.
prinnyex
Exploding Penguin
uwu; this is part of the problem of why the site is so easily slowed down and bought to its knees, and its not caused by any one user, i've seen several people with similar posts and numbers. notifications and notes both need an expiration date.
and while i understand that some people have notes they want to keep, thats what the the archives option is for. That way, you can go through your notes and toss the unnessisary ones and archive the ones you wish to keep forever without threat of them being deleted after a certain time.
I'm also betting this is even worse with people who have namesquat accounts and/or abandoned accounts. Even if the account itself isn't deleted, im betting if they have even one person watched that the notifications are piled up.
Its good that they put a limit on the notifications on submissions and journals, but they need to add it to the rest of the notifications as well.
Nanakisan
Wild lunatic!
easier said then done with over 25 pages of notes. XD culmination of nearing 5 years even though i've been on FA nearing 8. Maybe it would be just easier to erase them page by page.
prinnyex
Exploding Penguin
When i realized i had to delete them from my trashcan , i had 20+ pages as well haaaa, yer best bet is the scan the page, archive what you wanna keep and then nuke the page.
it takes a long ass time but its something that needs to be done.
prinnyex
Exploding Penguin
1 journal and 1 favorite ahaha, because i lose things so easily , i tend to keep my notes and notifications as clean as possible to an annoying degree. ;w;
prinnyex
Exploding Penguin
they'll only be auto deleteing for submissions and journals tho. favorites/unfavorites, watches/unwatches, and notes still have no expiration date.
altho that will take care of most abandoned accounts unless they have submissions on them.
FoxWolfie
Pee-Stinky Raccoon
I don't usually need to see the icons, but it's definitely nice for those who do. I mainly use the single list, because it's faster to get to people near the end of the alphabet, but the icons do help sometimes.
Socks the Fox
Member
Nobody's asking you to delete your notes. This whole thing has almost nothing to do with notes. Just the little message that says someone you watch posted a submission/journal or someone replied to something you posted. Not the actual stuff.
Socks the Fox
Member
I was under the impression it was the confusingly-similarly-named notifications, given the talk about submissions and journals from net-cat's post. Seems a lot easier to get out of hand given it can easily balloon into thousands of them per user per month, and not many people clean them out.