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Sooo... what's wrong with Sonic art and porn? o.o;

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Even though I would love nothing more than a ban on MLP porn I have to mention that one's maturity level has nothing to do with their age. She said they were young adults which can mean ages ranging from 18-30~.
 

Summercat

Former Motterator
Prove it then please dude. My husband and I have repeatedly linked to a comment from Lauren Faust which states they are YOUNG ADULTS between 12 and 18, what part of this means 18 and over?

Physically adult, treated as adult, the same body shapes as adults. They're adults. End of discussion.
 

Summercat

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jenhedgehog

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Even though I would love nothing more than a ban on MLP porn I have to mention that one's maturity level has nothing to do with their age. She said they were young adults which can mean ages ranging from 18-30~.
I've heard the expression "young adult" used to refer to people from around 16 and over in the past (could be a British thing, I dunno). Even then, I'm extremely uncomfortable with the ambiguity of it. They still don't have specific ages assigned to them.
 

Summercat

Former Motterator
I've heard the expression "young adult" used to refer to people from around 16 and over in the past (could be a British thing, I dunno). Even then, I'm extremely uncomfortable with the ambiguity of it. They still don't have specific ages assigned to them.

They still don't have specific ages assigned to them.

Whereas Sonic characters do.
 

Calemeyr

Vere Adeptus
Why do we have to have these conversations about "adults in kids' bodies" or "aging up but not really?" Why do so many people look for loopholes? Why do internets people glorify rape? You know what? I think these people need to actually go outside for once. Maybe they'll become normal. /rant
Anyway good decision on the admins' part.
 
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Morticia

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I really don't understand why someone won't just out with it in a position of power.

Why, if this is SUCH a wankery, won't someone (Neer, preferably, so everyone sees) just make a list of VERY SPECIFIC DOS AND DON'TS to Sonic art, and we can all just move along?

How is this hard?
 

jenhedgehog

New Member
Good thing that I actually can just say "Nope, they're considered adults. End of discussion. Have a nice day."

Oh look, I just did. End of discussion.
What, so we're supposed to take your word for it just because you're a moderator are we? I've been a regular at online forums for more than 10 years and have been an admin on large Sonic forums in the past. I never treated my members in this way. It's called respecting your userbase.

You're not linking to proof because you CAN'T prove it.
 

Orengefox

New Member
Good thing that I actually can just say "Nope, they're considered adults. End of discussion. Have a nice day."

Oh look, I just did. End of discussion.

Oh look, a photo of me. Right now. http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/065/a/2/twilight_on_fire_by_sdkfz186jagdtiger-d4rwv8n.png

Considering I was a moderator and an administrator to some of the biggest Sonic forums of it's time, what you've just done is unprofessional and immature. You've not given me any proof to back up your answer other than your word which is not law. Sorry.

I would rather have someone else answer my question please with links to back it up.
 
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Morticia

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Why do we have to have these conversations about "adults in kids' bodies" or "aging up but not really?" Why do so many people look for loopholes? Why do internets people glorify rape? You know what? I think these people need to actually go outside for once. Maybe they'll become normal. /rant
Anyway good decision on the admins' part. But I'm also wondering would, say, mlp characters be considered adults or children? I mean some of them have pretty child-like proportions.

Because the creator Lauren Faust gave them ages.
There's clearly a divide in the show among adults (Mane 6 who own their own houses, businesses, etc) and children (Cutie Mark Crusaders, kids in Cheerilee's class, etc.)
 

Calemeyr

Vere Adeptus
Because the creator Lauren Faust gave them ages.
There's clearly a divide in the show among adults (Mane 6 who own their own houses, businesses, etc) and children (Cutie Mark Crusaders, kids in Cheerilee's class, etc.)
So any adult artwork involving, say, Apple Bloom would be banned, right? She's stated to be school-age. I mean she looks like a newborn horse with her proportions.
 
They still don't have specific ages assigned to them.

Whereas Sonic characters do.

Except we were told, by Dragoneer himself, that the age of the characters would not matter as long as the characters were appropriately aged up in the artwork.

Which they have been, on numerous occasions. And yet it is STILL a problem. STILL a problem!

Not to mention, there are Sonic characters who are older than Sonic is, that are still the same height and size. Uncle Chuck is an excellent example of this; Rouge too.

Plus, to counter 'they're all kids'...Cream and Tails are children, and are decidely smaller. Heck, in the old Sat AM cartoon, when Sonic and Sally went back in time, all of them were about half the size they are now.

This ambiguity with their sizes, along with the ambiguity with the AUP and the site rules and how Admins and Mods are being taught to deal with others (or lack thereof in many of the cases) is a lot of the reason there's such hostility towards how you guys are handling this. We're told one thing, then you do another. One case is given free reign, while another isn't.
 
What, so we're supposed to take your word for it just because you're a moderator are we? I've been a regular at online forums for more than 10 years and have been an admin on large Sonic forums in the past. I never treated my members in this way. It's called respecting your userbase.
He has been the only one answering questions in this thread. He has been dealing with this for more than 3 hours, he has every right to drop the formalities.
You're not linking to proof because you CAN'T prove it.
Neither can you show any concrete proof that they're underaged, and no, a vauge description from the creator isn't evidence for either side. Until Faust comes out and gives exact ages for the main characters we're going to have to deal with the pony porn. You and your husband should really be focusing on the Digimon issue with the fact that anything below Champion is canonically a child.

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You and your husband just seem upset over the fact that your sonic porn has been banned and are trying to make it look like the administration is being unfair and picking which shows to block.
 
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jenhedgehog

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Neither can you show any concrete proof that they're underaged, and no, a vauge description from the creator isn't evidence for either side.
No, I can't prove they're underage. But no-one can prove they ARE of age and that's the issue.

It just annoys me that such stringent regulations are put into place for Sonic but for other franchises, no matter how vague it all is, no-one seems to give a shit about proving ages despite the styles making the characters appear extremely young.

EDIT: As I've stated like a million times in this topic, I HAVE ABSOLUTELY -NO- SONIC PORN IN MY GALLERY. I just disagree with the double-standard. A pony like looks like a kid? Sure! An aged-up Sonic character in Sonic style? Nope!

I don't agree with underage porn either, it's sick. I don't see a problem with aging-up no matter what the artist's drawing style though.
 
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No, I can't prove they're underage. But no-one can prove they ARE of age and that's the issue.

It just annoys me that such stringent regulations are put into place for Sonic but for other franchises, no matter how vague it all is, no-one seems to give a shit about proving ages despite the styles making the characters appear extremely young.
Well you can blame SEGA for giving them exact ages then. The FA staff are making sure they can't get any flak for accidently hosting child/cub art.
 

jenhedgehog

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Well you can blame SEGA for giving them exact ages then. The FA staff are making sure they can't get any flak for accidently hosting child/cub art.
...As I just said in my edit, I don't agree with cub shit or whatever you wanna call it. One of my main issues is that people aren't allowed to age-up in the Sonic style because they still allegedly "look young", when other characters that "look young" are fair game. It's too vague and ambiguous.
 

Darkzero779

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Ive been seeing this form about this banning on sonic style art for a little while....It's ironic to me that the Archie comics and Sega had the characters shown older 25 yrs later in the series...
And yet...we still can not age them up cause of the "sonic style" and due to the fact that even sonic still looks the same
as he was 17(with only having props in his adult age.) ...Our attempts with making any characters of the series as adult form be rendered Null no matter what..Cause there's little to no change in the way they look physically because that's the style.
(ps. Im new at these forms...I had alittle trouble registering in ...But i got it now.I had an FA already.)
 

Hakar Kerarmor

PRAISE THE EMPEROR
Yeah if an admin ever did that, and I mean ever did that, I would be up and down tearing them a new one.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
 

Summercat

Former Motterator
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

According to Detritus, when Vimes found a child-killer who has kept a "memento" of his deed, it was all the troll could do to prevent him from killing the perpetrator. This all comes to light during the events of Thud! where Vimes' internal Watchman - which describes itself as existing to keep the darkness in rather than keeping it out- battles with the Summoning Dark for supremacy of his soul and is ultimately victorious in dispelling the evil entity from its attempts to use Vimes to kill for it. This can be illustrated by the fact that when asked 'quis custodies ipsos custodes' ('Who watches the watchmen?') Vimes's immediate reaction is 'Me'. When asked who guards him, he replies, 'I do that too.'
 

Ivorytigress

Rawr =^.^=
Want my input? Stop crying like a little girl, and if you honestly don't like how the site is run THAT MUCH, just get off of FA so we don't have to listen to it anymore.
 
...As I just said in my edit, I don't agree with cub shit or whatever you wanna call it. One of my main issues is that people aren't allowed to age-up in the Sonic style because they still allegedly "look young", when other characters that "look young" are fair game. It's too vague and ambiguous.
Lets use MLP as an example seeing as you seemed so interested in it. The show has shown a difference in child ponies and not child ponies, and have even shown examples of characters aging with an actual difference in appearance.

The Sonic show/game may say the character has aged but they've never shown a difference with their style. Let me put it this way.

You cannot slap a dick on the canon version of Sonic and say he has aged.
I think what has alot of people confused about the aging up issue and the Sonic style is that giving the character longer legs, or a more defined chest would mean the character was no longer being draw in the same style.
 

Orengefox

New Member
Want my input? Stop crying like a little girl, and if you honestly don't like how the site is run THAT MUCH, just get off of FA so we don't have to listen to it anymore.
As I said earlier in the topic.

People are saying there are other sites one can go to if they don't like the way things are here now. Let me just say, why should I pack up and move to some other site if something's bothering me here. For one, my account on Fur Affinity which I'm still using to this day has been around for over 6 years now. I have very close friends here and some are only here. I refuse to join other art sites that won't allow human art for example. Even if I was to move to one that allows any art, I'm giving up my friends and audience who are watching me here.
 

jenhedgehog

New Member
Want my input? Stop crying like a little girl, and if you honestly don't like how the site is run THAT MUCH, just get off of FA so we don't have to listen to it anymore.
By that logic, you could just get out of this topic if you don't wanna hear it (not trying to be rude or anything.
 

Ivorytigress

Rawr =^.^=

Then you shouldn't complain.
What no one seems to understand is, this is not our website. It's Dragoneer's. He pays the upkeep. He works on the servers. Not us.
At this point, it looks like you're just trying to beat a dead horse.
 
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