Steve Irwin legacy vs. PETA

[tamara590]

i hate ALL animal abuse, one of the many reasons i tend to avoid humans as much as possible. and now you say it, it actually IS comparable to the holocaust. how harsh that might sound to some. i didnt think that trough when typing that. animals getting skinned alive, electrocuted, tails cut off, balls BITTEN off by the farmers etc. and thats not even the beginning of that HUMANS do to them. sorry that i phrased it wrong, you are fully right! no wonder i hate humans and tend to avoid them, they always hurt, murder, rape everything...
sometimes i wish humans could go extinct, but when i say that, human emphatizers come at me and bash me or others who think that way by saying, start with yourself. humans are the worst!

 

[SwiftDog]

The Forum does not allow me to say the appropriate words to describe people like you.



It's probably why I hate them more than a lot of people seem to think. Because of them, and with the help of people like Sulfide/Tipsy-Cynical, people legitimately believe that ALL environmentalism is bad. This very fact honestly hurts me a lot because it makes me feel like a pariah to Human Society.




Can I be honest? I never understood why that was such a big deal to compare all the disgusting practices meat Farmers use to a horrible event like the Holocaust. Birds are kept in tiny cages that give them no room to move around in, and some are even dipped into electricity. I mean, not all meat farming is horrible (but a good chunk of it is, even quote-unquote free range and organic farms that tend to use those terms loosely), but for some of the worst, anyway you slice it, a lot of the practices pretty much animal cruelty, and we have people like Sulfide/Tipsy-Cynical pretending that the meat industry is oh-so innocent. In your opinion, what would be a more appropriate thing to compare it to?

Your reaction is pretty confusing considering my previous posts in the thread and my interaction with you. You’re either deliberately attempting to rile me, or have bad memory.

 

[SwiftDog]

@BennyJackdaw please keep communication about discussion materials here on the thread. Posting responses here keeps everything open and honest between the parties involved and helps us better understand each other, as well as keeping the conversation contiguous.

As a general rule, I a. ignore PMs regarding thread content and b. delete profile posts regarding thread content.

Thank you for your understanding.

 

[Baalf]

@SwiftDog

You know, it was very much possible that I posted on your profile to avoid another battle.

 

[ConorHyena]

i hate ALL animal abuse, one of the many reasons i tend to avoid humans as much as possible. and now you say it, it actually IS comparable to the holocaust. how harsh that might sound to some. i didnt think that trough when typing that. animals getting skinned alive, electrocuted, tails cut off, balls BITTEN off by the farmers etc. and thats not even the beginning of that HUMANS do to them. sorry that i phrased it wrong, you are fully right! no wonder i hate humans and tend to avoid them, they always hurt, murder, rape everything...
sometimes i wish humans could go extinct, but when i say that, human emphatizers come at me and bash me or others who think that way by saying, start with yourself. humans are the worst!

It does not compare to the holocaust, for a number of reasons. I don't want to spark off a Holocaust debate but I really don't think it's even remotely comparable.

We've had the misantrophist debate in this thread already, I think each and everyone of us would be served if we didn't spark it off again. I'd advise you to read up on it.

 

[Baalf]

It does not compare to the holocaust, for a number of reasons. I don't want to spark off a Holocaust debate but I really don't think it's even remotely comparable.

We've had the misantrophist debate in this thread already, I think each and everyone of us would be served if we didn't spark it off again. I'd advise you to read up on it.

To reiterate: what, in your opinion, would be a more accurate comparison? I'm just curious what people would rather compare it to, because a lot of the practices are very disgusting.

 

[ConorHyena]

To reiterate: what, in your opinion, would be a more accurate comparison? I'm just curious what people would rather compare it to, because a lot of the practices are very disgusting.

They are, correct, at least some of them.

I wouldn't compare them to anything, condemning animal cruelty in itself is enough. Drawing analogies that don't hold up or are downright silly will hurt the case more than it will aid.

 

[SwiftDog]

It does not compare to the holocaust, for a number of reasons. I don't want to spark off a Holocaust debate but I really don't think it's even remotely comparable.

We've had the misantrophist debate in this thread already, I think each and everyone of us would be served if we didn't spark it off again. I'd advise you to read up on it.

Is the amount of animal suffering caused by the factory farm system not comparable to the Holocaust? Probably not, it's unfair to the victims who suffered, however, I think it is fair to point out that under our current system there is still a lot of animal suffering going on because of the system that focuses on cheap, cheap meat over all else.

 

[MaelstromEyre]

Race in humans is a lot like dog breeds. They are all dogs and they are all humans and can breed with each other (I mean within the same species of course owo) but there are broad groups which may display certain phenotypical and genotypical traits. Refusing to acknowledge that at least is unscientific.

In one sense, yes, but domestic breeds, whether it's dog or cat or horse or cattle or any other form of livestock were selectively bred for specific traits, especially back when many animals were actually used for work, not just companionship. Many of the "working" breeds still have that drive. Others, not so much. They may have the "look," but I have met quite a few spaniels that couldn't hunt their way to the meat counter at a supermarket.
Same for horses. Breeds for draught work, breeds for speed, breeds for endurance, breeds to carry a rider for long distances at a swift, smooth gait. Some people do get hung up on color - and when a breeder knows that buyers will pay $$$ for a lot of "color," sometimes they forget more important things, like conformation and temperament. To quote one old horseman, "people who breed for color, don't know what else to breed for."
Some breeders are VERY into genetics, they even have their animals screened to be certain they don't carry issues that would be passed on to a foal. They are a minority, though.

There are certainly characteristics of humans, like skin color or hair type. Not so much a result of intentional breeding to develop specific qualities, but just based on what people have available to reproduce with.

 

[SwiftDog]

In one sense, yes, but domestic breeds, whether it's dog or cat or horse or cattle or any other form of livestock were selectively bred for specific traits, especially back when many animals were actually used for work, not just companionship. Many of the "working" breeds still have that drive. Others, not so much. They may have the "look," but I have met quite a few spaniels that couldn't hunt their way to the meat counter at a supermarket.
Same for horses. Breeds for draught work, breeds for speed, breeds for endurance, breeds to carry a rider for long distances at a swift, smooth gait. Some people do get hung up on color - and when a breeder knows that buyers will pay $$$ for a lot of "color," sometimes they forget more important things, like conformation and temperament. To quote one old horseman, "people who breed for color, don't know what else to breed for."
Some breeders are VERY into genetics, they even have their animals screened to be certain they don't carry issues that would be passed on to a foal. They are a minority, though.

There are certainly characteristics of humans, like skin color or hair type. Not so much a result of intentional breeding to develop specific qualities, but just based on what people have available to reproduce with.

Yeah, the only time humans really breed on a large enough scale for specific traits is if there's enough people seeking the same thing. For instance, nobles were once notorious for only marrying other nobles. That led to some inbreeding and well, some ironically less healthy stock! For the most part, human breeding tends to follow a pretty normal natural-selection bias, with only some fairly minor characteristics and differences showing up over long periods of time. For instance, people born and raised in the South long enough slowly develop a need for guns, ammo, and Trump! (just kidding. Mostly.)

So usually things like this aren't going to show up in humans because after a certain point we reject racism and mate with whoever we want - sort of a built in mechanism against bad genetics, now isn't that interesting? Racists are so dumb that their ideas are literally the reverse of how to create healthy, strong humans.