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Steve Irwin legacy vs. PETA

Casey Fluffbat

E. Fuscus from the discount section
Hmmm... I don't always agree with PETA, but they do have some valid points, (in some of their tweets) I think.

I mean, for starters, I don't know why people would tune in (on their tv's) to watch some knuckle headed daredevil-type guy who thinks he's invincible - rolling around in front of the cameras with a wild Bengal tiger, (for example).

Like PETA suggests - it might be better just to leave the wild animals alone, once and a while - instead of exploiting some of them - for schlock entertainment value.

He (and others like him) never really impressed me, in any way... as "you can't always fix stupid", I always say.

That said, it's a bit disgraceful for any organization to be exploiting anyone's death, just to score poltical points on social media. And so, PETA should probably apologize for that obvious mis-step, but they shouldn't apologize for what they believe in (I don't think)... no matter how misguided some people think their beliefs are.

Sure, he was daring and it was entertaining in some ways, but through numerous interviews he explained that it's his enthusiasm and energy that draws people to his program, and from there he could teach and get people interested in wildlife and conservation. Sure, he bothered animals (primarily reptiles), but he never had the intent to harm and knew how to professionally handle them without stressing the animal, and never encouraged viewers to do what he did. This is hardly something for PETA to comment on in my opinion.
 

insertgenericnamehere1

Well-Known Member
You are doing exactly what PETA wants though. They expect and rely on people creating a huge storm of angry comments to generate the attention that results in them getting money.
Lol what? In the long-term making enemies does not bring in revenue or do anything for a cause. Most of their income is from contributions. And if this promotes their contributions from stupid people. Fuck it let stupid people waste their money on something completely worthless. Long term the're just killing their own source of life: Contributions. Fuck it let them die out, and become more radical, so people see how stupid these guys really are.
 

Captain TrashPanda

A broke college racc
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Irwin would be proud
PETA would lose their shit lol
 

AppleButt

Well-Known Member
I can get behind some of petas beliefs like anti factory farming, animal testing, and fur trapping.

However, one can effectively advocate against that stuff without doing the bullshittery that PETA does.

Shit talking Steve Irwin is low of the low! Seriously?? We need him to still be alive “bothering” animals more than ever now to keep people interested in them!
 

insertgenericnamehere1

Well-Known Member
I can get behind some of petas beliefs like anti factory farming, animal testing, and fur trapping.

However, one can effectively advocate against that stuff without doing the bullshittery that PETA does.

Shit talking Steve Irwin is low of the low! Seriously?? We need him to still be alive “bothering” animals more than ever now to keep people interested in them!
Steve Irwin was a G, and a great figure and role model during my childhood. Then again PETA just talks shit loads of nonsense. You won't see those guys ever helping out war refugees or donating to the poor for instance. Just throwing fake blood on other people and shit talking them for wearing fur or eating meat.
 

quoting_mungo

Well-Known Member
You won't see those guys ever helping out war refugees or donating to the poor for instance.
That's a ridiculous attempt to discredit PETA. Don't get me wrong, they're full of shit and hypocrisy, but why would an animal rights organization help out people? That makes no sense. I don't expect the Make-A-Wish Foundation to clean wildlife after an oil spill, either (unless, possibly, some kid wished for a chance to give a seagull a bath).
 
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Connor J. Coyote

Well-Known Member
Steve Irwin was a G, and a great figure and role model during my childhood. Then again PETA just talks shit loads of nonsense. You won't see those guys ever helping out war refugees or donating to the poor for instance. Just throwing fake blood on other people and shit talking them for wearing fur or eating meat.
It could certainly be agrued that PETA is a bit of a "paper tiger" (as far as efficacy goes) in getting people to change some of their habits, (in regards to animal welfare). And, I concur that in both the "personality" and "tact" departments - a lot of work could certainly be done, (within their organization) to improve how the convey their messages.

A bit more "class, with a little less sass" is sometimes much more effective.

That said, what some may view as "political extremism" can also be seen (by some others) as activist-based "political assertiveness" - which is often times necessary to achieve their political goals; as being "nice" doesn't always cut it, in getting the work done, in the real World. And so, many of those within the PETA organization, simply view these maneuvers as a part of "getting the job done" probably.

Frankly, I think those who are offended by PETA should probably admit it to themselves that they *do* have some valid points to make; (no matter how offensive the way the information is presented)... and simply discounting (everything they say and do) is "penny wise, and pound foolish".

And, we need to be honest, here - it's not too much of a stretch to say that dangling an infant child over a live feeding crocodile is any less offensive than throwing fake blood onto an expensive fur coat. ;)
 

insertgenericnamehere1

Well-Known Member
That's a ridiculous attempt to discredit PETA. Don't get me wrong, they're full of shit and hypocrisy, but why would an animal rights organization help out people? That makes no sense. I don't expect the Make-A-Wish Foundation to clean wildlife after an oil spill, either (unless, possibly, some kid wished for a chance to give a seagull a bath).
For sure that's more than fair, and I agree, not exactly on target. I know it's a completely separate issue, but I still 'personally' believe we should be helping other people out who are struggling around the world before freaking out about people wearing fur, eating meat, and factory farming etc. Don't get me wrong thinking about this kind of stuff is good. It's true altruism to be concerned with the well being of other creatures. Idk tho I still think PETA invests way too much time in nonsense like this before actually trying to help animals. For instance, the FBI opening up an Anti-Terror investigations on these guys for donating I think it was more than 70K against a convicted arson, for animal rights. To me it's a little (Actually very) crazy to be against the unethical treatment of animals, then actively support harming humans.
 

insertgenericnamehere1

Well-Known Member
It could certainly be agrued that PETA is a bit of a "paper tiger" (as far as efficacy goes) in getting people to change some of their habits, (in regards to animal welfare). And, I concur that in both the "personality" and "tact" departments - a lot of work could certainly be done, (within their organization) to improve how the convey their messages.

A bit more "class, with a little less sass" is sometimes much more effective.

That said, what some may view as "political extremism" can also be seen (by some others) as activist-based "political assertiveness" - which is often times necessary to achieve their political goals; as being "nice" doesn't always cut it, in getting the work done, in the real World. And so, many of those within the PETA organization, simply view these maneuvers as a part of "getting the job done" probably.

Frankly, I think those who are offended by PETA should probably admit it to themselves that they *do* have some valid points to make; (no matter how offensive the way the information is presented)... and simply discounting (everything they say and do) is "penny wise, and pound foolish".

And, we need to be honest, here - it's not too much of a stretch to say that dangling an infant child over a live feeding crocodile is any less offensive than throwing fake blood onto an expensive fur coat. ;)
More than fair. They do make a few valid points. But their actions and methods to achieving their goals are more what the problem is. Even still going after Irwin who donated so much time, money and effort into the conservation of wildlife while they support convicted criminals. It's just wrong. Idk as someone said earlier (maybe it was you I can't remember). Just support different groups. I agree 100%
 

Connor J. Coyote

Well-Known Member
More than fair. They do make a few valid points. But their actions and methods to achieving their goals are more what the problem is. Even still going after Irwin who donated so much time, money and effort into the conservation of wildlife while they support convicted criminals. It's just wrong. Idk as someone said earlier (maybe it was you I can't remember). Just support different groups. I agree 100%
Often times - there's grains of truth to be found, even within opinions that one disagrees with (or is even repulsed by). Finding those grains of truth can often times be difficult though, when people's judgements are clouded by anger. It's a learning and coping process, more than anything else. ;)
 

insertgenericnamehere1

Well-Known Member
Often times - there's grains of truth to be found, even within opinions that one disagrees with (or is even repulsed by). Finding those grains of truth can often times be difficult though, when people's judgements are clouded by anger. It's a learning and coping process, more than anything else. ;)
Yup! Love ya already =p That's why I try to never get angry especially when dealing with a differing opinion, as each is a person's subjective world-view. Furthermore, each person might just have good reasons for their view, that I may not know. It's far better to listen and look for an objective truth that can actually solve a problem :). Anger does nothing to better a point, it only discredits you among opposed and neutral onlookers. I'd far rather just walk away or just troll for my own laughs if someone freaks out these days, much better than to respond to fire with fire. It's true sometimes anger can get the better of me like all people. But one of the most valuable lesson and yes coping process or struggle for me was to not get angry especially for things like this.:)
 

Fallowfox

Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
I probably shouldn't need to point out that stories posted to 4chan are often not true.

In this case we're being asked to believe that somebody who spends their time calling people 'libtard virgins' on 4chan has actually met a woman in real life- let alone married her and bought her fur coats.

So I'm kinda not buying this one. x3
 

Jackpot Raccuki

Vibing Raccuki
4Chan green text stories are best, even if they don't seem to be true.
Oh well, just incase it is, bless this anon.

I probably shouldn't need to point out that stories posted to 4chan are often not true.

In this case we're being asked to believe that somebody who spends their time calling people 'libtard virgins' on 4chan has actually met a woman in real life- let alone married her and bought her fur coats.

So I'm kinda not buying this one. x3
I don't mind if it's not even real, I just love to read.
Green texts always amuse me somehow.
 

Fallowfox

Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
4Chan green text stories are best, even if they don't seem to be true.
Oh well, just incase it is, bless this anon.


I don't mind if it's not even real, I just love to read.
Green texts always amuse me somehow.

Eh, maybe we should care if these stories are real, because they can colour our attitudes.

I can imagine reading too many of them, and then getting to the point where I believe that being 'instantly pissed off' by somebody's 'skinny libtard' appearance is something rational and masculine- something part of a jovial bad-boy personality, rather than...weak and pathetic, which is what it actually is.

It's kind of like jokes about the westboro baptists. I'm all up for that, but I wouldn't really be able to enjoy those jokes if the people telling them were also saying things like 'just looking at those christ-tard scum makes me angry,'.
 

Anon Raccoon

4D Chess Master
Eh, maybe we should care if these stories are real, because they can colour our attitudes.

I can imagine reading too many of them, and then getting to the point where I believe that being 'instantly pissed off' by somebody's 'skinny libtard' appearance is something rational and masculine- something part of a jovial bad-boy personality, rather than...weak and pathetic, which is what it actually is.

It's kind of like jokes about the westboro baptists. I'm all up for that, but I wouldn't really be able to enjoy those jokes if the people telling them were also saying things like 'just looking at those christ-tard scum makes me angry,'.

Most greentexts are just weirdass random stories of people shitting themselves. xD
 

Baalf

Will accept free hugs and tummy rubs.
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Irwin would be proud
PETA would lose their shit lol

I would just like to say that jokes like that are in seriously fucking poor taste. Animals are living creatures, and making fun of them with me jokes like that is like saying animal Slaughter is funny. I'm sorry for getting offended by jokes like that, but I'm sorry, I see Life as more valuable then that.

Being honest.
 
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