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Survey - The Structure of the Fandom

ScarClaw

Scar
I'm doing a survey to study how the fandom is structured and organized. I plan on using this data to help with a theory I am working on. It will also be used to understand the history being created with each passing day in the fandom. I've been interested in furry history for years, making content about it on YouTube, and this will help understand the current climate.

 

Sam Akuchin Wamm

Roundworm In Goat Guise
can you be more specific.

what you said can mean many things.

do you mean physically, culturally, morally, memetically, etc.
 

ScarClaw

Scar
The survey is regarding what platforms furries use and how many of them they are active on. Furry is built around subcircles that range from larger and more public to smaller and more private. I want to see how much overlap exists between platforms for most furries, as I believe most furs are only active on one or a few platforms which partly leads to the regional and platform-specific differences in the fandom. You can go from one group to another and meet people that are drastically different from the last.
 

Sam Akuchin Wamm

Roundworm In Goat Guise
The survey is regarding what platforms furries use and how many of them they are active on. Furry is built around subcircles that range from larger and more public to smaller and more private. I want to see how much overlap exists between platforms for most furries, as I believe most furs are only active on one or a few platforms which partly leads to the regional and platform-specific differences in the fandom. You can go from one group to another and meet people that are drastically different from the last.
i'm mostly on empire and ringworks.

not a fan of hierarchical systems and 1% filters.

to be specific Kuro mostly, SFOC (well duh), PartyHost (what's left of it), pb, N/B, channel 2, Rnet, T-society, Throw and Maducational Network (yes i'm still active).

i guess though most of you guys have seen me around Therefore and the butters because you don't get out much and are probably still using Google.

though i guess Loreland's getting pretty well known to you guys recently.

DIO!
 

Pomorek

Antelope-Addicted Hyena
I took the survey!

Looks like some interesting research, make sure to inform us how it turns out. I do think that the fandom is becoming more fragmented, but that's a simple consequence of the growing number of members, and new platforms becoming active. No way to keep track of all of them at this point. Also personally, I find the rise of chat communication (that is, Discord) to prominence to be the biggest change in the recent years. I've seen quite a few forums completely obliterated by this. But as in such a case we're presumably replacing one unified forum with not-necessarily-so-unified bunch of chat channels, I'd say it adds to fragmentation even more.
 

Yakamaru

Autumn Wolf
I took the survey!

Looks like some interesting research, make sure to inform us how it turns out. I do think that the fandom is becoming more fragmented, but that's a simple consequence of the growing number of members, and new platforms becoming active. No way to keep track of all of them at this point. Also personally, I find the rise of chat communication (that is, Discord) to prominence to be the biggest change in the recent years. I've seen quite a few forums completely obliterated by this. But as in such a case we're presumably replacing one unified forum with not-necessarily-so-unified bunch of chat channels, I'd say it adds to fragmentation even more.
Indeed. The amount of platforms we are seeing is good. The higher level of variety the better. Allows everyone to choose their own platform that they personally find the most appealing.
 

Chomby

It's Spooky Month!
I went ahead and took the survey. I'd say the fandom is pretty fragmented, but that's not a bad thing in most cases. There's a space for everyone who have certain hobbies, reasons for joining, and level of involvement. No one needs to feel like an outsider, barring the bigots and sickos of course. When I say there's a space for everyone, there really is a space for everyone including very depraved individuals...

This fandom needs some serious gatekeeping.

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Anyway yeah nice survey. lol
 

Yakamaru

Autumn Wolf
I went ahead and took the survey. I'd say the fandom is pretty fragmented, but that's not a bad thing in most cases. There's a space for everyone who have certain hobbies, reasons for joining, and level of involvement. No one needs to feel like an outsider, barring the bigots and sickos of course. When I say there's a space for everyone, there really is a space for everyone including very depraved individuals...

This fandom needs some serious gatekeeping.

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Anyway yeah nice survey. lol
How are you going to gatekeep?
 

Chomby

It's Spooky Month!
How are you going to gatekeep?
It involves furry groups, furmeets, cons, and furry websites taking initiative and banning bad people from their spaces.

You can't keep them out of the fandom of course but you can definitely fuck up their options and make them feel very unwelcome.

The bystanding needs to stop.
 

Sam Akuchin Wamm

Roundworm In Goat Guise
laughs in imperial networking.

you guys and your gatekeeping of places nobody with any sense would visit.
 

Raever

Chaotic Neutral Wreckage
I went ahead and took the survey as well.
Looking forward to the results.
 

Sam Akuchin Wamm

Roundworm In Goat Guise
why are all the options FA-like furry groups and not any others?
 

Yakamaru

Autumn Wolf
It involves furry groups, furmeets, cons, and furry websites taking initiative and banning bad people from their spaces.

You can't keep them out of the fandom of course but you can definitely fuck up their options and make them feel very unwelcome.

The bystanding needs to stop.
I agree that in some cases people ought to be banned from social meetups, cons, etc. Though there is nothing preventing them from creating their own cons, meetups and in some instances, their own platforms. If a platform allows them to stay, what do you then do, if anything?
 

Frank Gulotta

Send us your floppy
It involves furry groups, furmeets, cons, and furry websites taking initiative and banning bad people from their spaces.

You can't keep them out of the fandom of course but you can definitely fuck up their options and make them feel very unwelcome.

The bystanding needs to stop.
Then again what do you do when a fair amount of it supports the most toxic ideology ever shat out by a human mind? all you can do in many cases, is be happy with a smaller, more manageable community that's not infested with such people
 

Chomby

It's Spooky Month!
I agree that in some cases people ought to be banned from social meetups, cons, etc. Though there is nothing preventing them from creating their own cons, meetups and in some instances, their own platforms. If a platform allows them to stay, what do you then do, if anything?
Shake my head in disappointment.
 

Raever

Chaotic Neutral Wreckage
I agree that in some cases people ought to be banned from social meetups, cons, etc. Though there is nothing preventing them from creating their own cons, meetups and in some instances, their own platforms. If a platform allows them to stay, what do you then do, if anything?

In the end we can't control what others do, we can only try to serve as a good example and cultivate an environment that's beneficial for members of the Furry community who do not associate with the degenerates that make the overall "Furry" label look bad. Gatekeeping is not always a negative phrase, there is no shame in not wanting to associate with those that would arguably be considered mentally ill or manipulative at best and dangerous at worst. Every community has it's issues, and we as a community just have to accept that and move on. No use lingering on what can't be changed.
 

Yakamaru

Autumn Wolf
In the end we can't control what others do, we can only try to serve as a good example and cultivate an environment that's beneficial for members of the Furry community who do not associate with the degenerates that make the overall "Furry" label look bad. Gatekeeping is not always a negative phrase, there is no shame in not wanting to associate with those that would arguably be considered mentally ill or manipulative at best and dangerous at worst. Every community has it's issues, and we as a community just have to accept that and move on. No use lingering on what can't be changed.
Lead by example? I can get behind that. Cultivating, promoting and encouraging a positive environment is arguably the best you can do. Generally speaking I am vehemently against gatekeeping, especially when it comes to a hobby, though every rule have exceptions. I cannot throw someone out of the fandom but I can refuse association with individuals and in some cases entire groups, demographics, etc. Forming groups like that is natural.

A little off-topic, but what do you put into the term "Furry community"?

Shake my head in disappointment.
Understandable.
 

Attaman

"I say we forget this business and run."
At work so the survey itself will have to wait a few hours, but on the recent topic that’s come up in thread: I’ll note that Gatekeeping isn’t necessarily a Furry phenomena, nor what some people may think it to be.

For a very basic example, one of my local hobby shops sells Cards Against Humanity, but won’t let people play it in store. Which is understandable, as the store has minors occasionally come in with their parents. Similarly, they draw an outright line (versus merely “You can come in if you partake of this, but you can’t partake of it here”) for people who smell like used gym bags doing anything more than a quick “Come in, grab what you need, leave” (since anyone who has been in the MtG community, WH, or so-on can probably immediately think of one player the above describes). “We do not want you in here if you cannot manage not even basic hygiene, but the illusion of basic hygiene.”

Even just looking at examples of a similar sort to the above (and not ones that might draw community / moderation ire), it’s easy to see where calls of further gatekeeping within the fandom can be justified. Show of hands for how many people have Nope’d right out of a community within five minutes flat of entry as they saw a user or users do stuff like post smut / borderline smut in a PG section, unprompted roleplay that just didn’t sit right, or so-on. And this - again - isn’t getting into stuff that might evoke stronger responses or be more contentious / debatable among people.

This is not to say to gate everything, just that I can understand this call entirely.
 

Raever

Chaotic Neutral Wreckage
A little off-topic, but what do you put into the term "Furry community"?

As in how do I define it? That's a loaded question, but generally I mostly associate it with online groups (ex. FAF, Dedicated Discord Servers, YouTube channels like PocariRoo, etc.) and conventions. I don't think that gatekeeping an individual is correct, but denying access to a specific set of morals/standards/etc (ex. I don't think outwardly proud Zoophiles or blatant Pedophiles should be welcomed) isn't a negative except to those who it hurts. Those groups usually hurt others - innocents - so excuse me for having no Empathy for them.

That stated, I don't think gatekeeping should ever be done in any situation without good reason and blatant near undeniable proof of that reason. Mindless gatekeeping or going along with a crowd can be hurtful to the community as well.
 

Yakamaru

Autumn Wolf
As in how do I define it? That's a loaded question, but generally I mostly associate it with online groups (ex. FAF, Dedicated Discord Servers, YouTube channels like PocariRoo, etc.) and conventions. I don't think that gatekeeping an individual is correct, but denying access to a specific set of morals/standards/etc (ex. I don't think outwardly proud Zoophiles or blatant Pedophiles should be welcomed) isn't a negative except to those who it hurts. Those groups usually hurt others - innocents - so excuse me for having no Empathy for them.

That stated, I don't think gatekeeping should ever be done in any situation without good reason and blatant near undeniable proof of that reason. Mindless gatekeeping or going along with a crowd can be hurtful to the community as well.
One of the reasons I ask is because I see way too many people who seem to conflate/correlate the concept of community with being a Furry, i.e. being a fan of anthropomorphic animals to that of having some social cohesion/things in common beyond that of a hobby/interest. Expecting the same set of values, morals or just the same or similar interactions that they have/have had with someone else. In any community you have interactions and to a degree social cohesion as well as the association to go along with it. An example of this would be a small town IRL where most people know each other as well as that actual sense of belonging. Over the internet though that becomes more difficult as most of us are strangers who interact and talk, although not necessarily belong to any specific group or community. It's one of the reasons I never use the term "Furry community" as the fandom isn't one, although you can obviously have communities inside it such as FAF or Discord servers/Telegram groups.

And nah, I agree. I am not interested in zoophiles or pedophiles being welcomed either. It's one of those things you'd think would be universally condemned, but this shit is being pushed on Twatter in particular. Hell, have people defending sex offenders/rapists on there too.
 

NuclearSlayer52

purring like a wolf
Zoophiles or blatant Pedophiles

are you talking about those with the paraphilias? imo, those with paraphilias should still be allowed, as long as theyre non offending

the ones whose default is that they shouldnt be allowed are rapists and other offenders, whether they have any attraction to the victims/survivors or not
 

Chomby

It's Spooky Month!
are you talking about those with the paraphilias? imo, those with paraphilias should still be allowed, as long as theyre non offending

Umm... No. The "non offending" still tend to try to normalize/justify their attractions (example: MAPs). Just because some are legally "non offending," that doesn't mean they aren't harmful. Yes I think people with actual harmless paraphilias should be accepted. I have a few myself, but pedophilia and zoophilia are a different story.

The only allowed "non offenders" should be the ones who know their attractions are wrong and actively seek continual treatment. Otherwise no. Absolutely not.
 
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Raever

Chaotic Neutral Wreckage
One of the reasons I ask is because I see way too many people who seem to conflate/correlate the concept of community with being a Furry, i.e. being a fan of anthropomorphic animals to that of having some social cohesion/things in common beyond that of a hobby/interest. Expecting the same set of values, morals or just the same or similar interactions that they have/have had with someone else. In any community you have interactions and to a degree social cohesion as well as the association to go along with it. An example of this would be a small town IRL where most people know each other as well as that actual sense of belonging. Over the internet though that becomes more difficult as most of us are strangers who interact and talk, although not necessarily belong to any specific group or community. It's one of the reasons I never use the term "Furry community" as the fandom isn't one, although you can obviously have communities inside it such as FAF or Discord servers/Telegram groups.

And nah, I agree. I am not interested in zoophiles or pedophiles being welcomed either. It's one of those things you'd think would be universally condemned, but this shit is being pushed on Twatter in particular. Hell, have people defending sex offenders/rapists on there too.

The people who expect a group to agree with them just because they share an interest are usually the people who are the least educated and/or open minded on a given topic since they rely on others to tell them what to do, where to go, and who to sleep with at night.

In short: I agree. It's foolish to base your morals or values on a group. That isn't a community. It's a Cult. Confusing the two can be rather dangerous sometimes.

That said, I do think that Furries can form an overarching group or "community" at conventions and in forums such as this. Especially when a goal is perceived, such as raising money for a shelter or helping FA stay up through donations.

There is not an inherent evil associated with the term community for me, but that's because I define it as what it is, and not what people can associate it with.

are you talking about those with the paraphilias?

Absolutely not.

Essentially all Furries have a "Philia" of some sort; usually all falling under the umbrella term of Teratophilia (attraction or appeal for monsters; though this sometimes can mean deformed people, I mean the prior). "Monster" can group anything that is fantasy or nonhuman with human or humanoid traits, or even just a humanoid consciousness which is what any Fursona is. When you break it down.

So, no. I'm not bashing people who have their kinks, attractions, appeals, or Aesthetics. I am however suggesting that we avoid those who misunderstand their psychological damage/illness for a Kink or an Appeal, and those who take that a step even farther and use that as a reason to harm innocents or depict/outwardly express the want harm to innocents. Sometimes unabashedly.

I feel this is a fairly easy distinction to understand.

The only allowed "non offenders" should be the ones who know their attractions are wrong and actively seek continual treatment. Otherwise no. Absolutely not.

I'm in agreement here, but at that point, those who actually feel guilt or shame and want to change likely wouldn't be expressing it publicly or even privately to anyone except a therapist. So I tend not to take public announcements of guilt seriously.
 
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