The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim.

[Fernin]

If you'd ever bothered to read any of the news from the dev when oblivion was coming out, you'd know the majority of the reason it was taken out was because of the cell based set up of the game, levitate, particularly around city walls would be problematic at best.

As foe what I meant by special kind of moron, you're crying and ocean over a few removed spells and weapons that with one exception (levitate) didn't add a thing to the game other than diluting an already fat weapon pool even more.

And as for the lore changes, who cares! It's Bethesda's game and their own lore. They can bloody well do what they like with it. If you don't like something because it didn't go the way YOU wanted it to, TOO BAD! Bethesda is free to retcon the whole bloody universe if they like. Particularly if it cleans up messy, self conflicting and at times horribly archetypal lore.

It's also worth noting that the events of Morrowind were so self contained, that that'd frankly have almost no importance to the story line of any game following it that wasn't set on Morrowind itself or involved the Nerevarine personally.

 

[Attaman]

If you'd ever bothered to read any of the news from the dev when oblivion was coming out, you'd know the majority of the reason it was taken out was because of the cell based set up of the game, levitate, particularly around city walls would be problematic at best.

And since Oblivion no sort of solution had been found? I would have thought with an extra five years of planning they'd have come up with some sort of solution.

As foe what I meant by special kind of moron, you're crying and ocean over a few removed spells and weapons that with one exception (levitate) didn't add a thing to the game other than diluting an already fat weapon pool even more.

So it's bad to have even more weapon options? Furthermore, I'm glad you're at least generous enough to realize that being upset about Lore changes is something else en-

And as for the lore changes, who cares!

Or not.

It's Bethesda's game and their own lore. They can bloody well do what they like with it.

And yet I'm sure if Khajiits were changed to generic Nekos and Argonians removed from the playable race list people would be up in arms crying for blood, but apparently that's something else entirely.

Again, implication that Bethesda does no wrong, because Bethesda knows best / can do what it wishes.

If you don't like something because it didn't go the way YOU wanted it to, TOO BAD!

You act as though my problem with the changes to stuff like Cyrodiil and Morrowind are "But I wanted mah Dunmer PC to be da lord of everything". This is hilariously disingenuous. My problem with the Morrowind changes are they literally render the game valueless in terms of narrative, and that the changes to Cyrodiil both turn it toward more generic fantasy as well as retcon three prior games worth of narrative.

Bethesda is free to retcon the whole bloody universe if they like. Particularly if it cleans up messy, self conflicting and at times horribly archetypal lore.

I await your explanation of how the Morrowind plot was "messy, self-conflicting and at times horribly archetypal", but Oblivion is an obvious exception. :3c

It's also worth noting that the events of Morrowind were so self contained, that that'd frankly have almost no importance to the story line of any game following it that wasn't set on Morrowind itself or involved the Nerevarine personally.

What? I'm sorry, but... what? Did you just look up a Wiki article on it and roll with it?

Disregarding what happens in the expansions of Tribunal and Bloodmoon (and, trust me, the two of those have notable impacts on the world), there's the political implications of a semi-united Morrowind, the return of one of the Dunmer's BigDamnHeroes(tm), Vivec free what with no longer containing Dagoth Ur, the continued plot relating to the Disappearance of the Dwemer (and what may happen now that one is on the road to being cured in the Corprusarium), the guild wars going on versus the Dark Brotherhood and Camona Tong, discoveries by the Morrowind Mages Guild, the still-troubling political tension related toward the Imperial Legion (as well as the Legion's growing settlement of the Isles)...

Ah, but disregard me. I'm apparently a nutter for thinking Morrowind is less archetypal / generic than Oblivion.

 

[Digitalpotato]

You know, Khajiits were at one point just Kemonomimi...play Daggerfall and Arena.



So has anyone else been looking for glitches? My glitch count was at 8. And other than the mudcrab, all of them have been non-gameplay effecting. Like the Jarl who was sitting on mid-air or the guards patrolling the water.

He doesn't think it's an RPG because it's not a turn-based RPG, the only type acceptable to hardcore fans. Just because it's all real-time doesn't mean it's not an RPG. If there's a situation where I have to go fight a whole bunch of wolves to level up because I'm not powerful enough to fight a troll, I'd say it's pretty much an RPG. You create your character and can specialize in a bunch of skills. You keep playing to level up, and your attacks are based off of number systems taking from your luck, the stats of your weapon, random chance, and most of all, your SKILLS. It's an RPG.

The first four elder scrolls games weren't turn-based either. What's acceptable to hardcore fans are "Copy Dungeons and Dragons as much as possible, right down to adding a load of stats and skills, most of which are either redundant or useless."

 

[Tycho]

The first four elder scrolls games weren't turn-based either. What's acceptable to hardcore fans are "Copy Dungeons and Dragons as much as possible, right down to adding a load of stats and skills, most of which are either redundant or useless."

Bullshit. I enjoy MANY other games that do not fall into the D&D dice-rolling archetype. Fallout is one of my favorite games of all time. I even think its SPECIAL system is superior to any other including the Elder Scrolls' 8-stat system, the ubiquitous STR DEX CON INT WIS CHA system, etc.

 

[Waffles]

Bullshit. I enjoy MANY other games that do not fall into the D&D dice-rolling archetype. Fallout is one of my favorite games of all time. I even think its SPECIAL system is superior to any other including the Elder Scrolls' 8-stat system, the ubiquitous STR DEX CON INT WIS CHA system, etc.

-cough skyrim doesn't have that anymore-

 

[Tycho]

-cough skyrim doesn't have that anymore-

I'm aware of that, and disapprove

 

[Vega]

So my Male Argonian Rouge was heading to this Dragon Burial site with a story character when he gets attacked by bandits. Turns out some of them are already hurt and I find out why, my NPC Argonian husband Derkeethus was already fighting them. He came to give me some health potions as a gift.(awww) I should buy him some nice armor and weapons.

 

[Aetius]

Too many people in my hall are playing skyrim : (

Must play oblivion to appear cool!

 

[Vega]

So the Stormcloaks seem a bit too bigoted for my tastes and look like they only care for Nords(I'm an Argonian), I think I'll join the Imperials.

 

[Attaman]

So the Stormcloaks seem a bit too bigoted for my tastes and look like they only care for Nords(I'm an Argonian), I think I'll join the Imperials.

It's pretty easy to understand the Stormcloak's bigotry considering the Empire was basically forced to criminalize the worship of Talos (who is the only reason Imperials, Nords, and so on are still alive). Forced to criminalize the worship of Talos by the Altmer (who are the ones that were threatening to genocide humanity in the first place).

 

[Shireton]

This game is more than a little buggy so far; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irzZK1MrCUM

 

[lupinealchemist]

One graphical bug I found was bodies of water containing patches of invisible water; that didn't really bug me. Another bug which could have pissed me off if I couldn't reload was a dragon refusing to disintegrate and give me it's soul upon death. Other than that, it's still not as broken as New Vegas.

 

[LizardKing]

I should start avoiding this thread until I actually have Skyrim now :c

 

[Smelge]

Quick question.

How do you change player views on pc? I want to actually look at my character, but when you hit F to change view, you can only see the back of them. I want to change camera views so I can put my character in screenshots.

 

[Carnie]

My character is a bunch of floating clothes right now. The equipment I have is just a taaaad bit glitchy.

 

[Waffles]

Quick question.

How do you change player views on pc? I want to actually look at my character, but when you hit F to change view, you can only see the back of them. I want to change camera views so I can put my character in screenshots.

Hold down F and rotate your mouse.

 

[Digitalpotato]

Okay guys, if you're investing any point into archery, get eagle eye. That's how you get sneak attacks more efficiently. And anticipate the arc.

 

[lupinealchemist]

I spent the last hour decapitating ghosts. I still can't comprehend how that's possible.

 

[Digitalpotato]

Muahahaha M'aiq is back.

 

[lupinealchemist]

Muahahaha M'aiq is back.

Oh yeah, I also met him last night.

 

[Cain]

Goddamn Argonian in Solitude double-crossed me when I did a quest for him. Got him back by killing him and his merry band of mercs.
I trusted him! I thought Argonian + Khajiit would work. ;_;
Ah well.

 

[Digitalpotato]

*puts a bucket on peoples' heads*
*robs them blind*

 

[Unsilenced]

I think this may be the first game I've done a full 24-hour run on. Steam is an asshole and only counting 12 of them, but fuck that. The jury will know it was 24.

I guess that means I like it.

I spent the last hour decapitating ghosts. I still can't comprehend how that's possible.

I snuck up behind some magic-hologram thing of some sort and slit it's throat for massive damage. Problem?


EDIT: Nobody likes Khajiit. I swear 90% of enemy battle speech is cat-related insults.

9/10 bandits agree I would make an awesome rug. (The last one isn't sure the stains of the first 9 will come out.)

 

[lupinealchemist]

Goddamn Argonian in Solitude double-crossed me when I did a quest for him. Got him back by killing him and his merry band of mercs.
I trusted him! I thought Argonian + Khajiit would work. ;_;
Ah well.

I don't think Argonians like Khajiit; I remember one making khajiit jokes involving butt-licking. And both races definitely don't like Dunmer for their knack at enslaving beast races.

 

[Vaelarsa]

My general view on this game (and Oblivion and Fallout, for that matter):