• Fur Affinity Forums are governed by Fur Affinity's Rules and Policies. Links and additional information can be accessed in the Site Information Forum.

The essence of being a furry

ZeeDog

Member
Then why do you want to fracture the definition of "Furry" itself?

Fracture it how? Wouldn't anthromorphizing yourself be a single uniting principle? Not to mention those who do not fall under this definition would still be part of furry fandom itself. So it's not a fracture as it is a subdivision.
 

Draco_2k

Rawr.
Fracture it how? Wouldn't anthromorphizing yourself be a single uniting principle?
So far the uniting principle is the devotion to anthropomorphic characters. Why would you want to fracture it, yet stop at a certain point?

Not to mention those who do not fall under this definition would still be part of furry fandom itself. So it's not a fracture as it is a subdivision.
They're synonyms.
 

ZeeDog

Member
So far the uniting principle is the devotion to anthropomorphic characters. Why would you want to fracture it, yet stop at a certain point?

Because you can like the art, without understanding the rest of the subculture(like the types who like the art, but groan at the sight and avoid pouncing, nomming, etc), while it would be pretty difficult to not understand if you wag your tail during RP, for example.

Also, one of my points is that I've generally never saw it used as a synonym of furry fandom.
 

Draco_2k

Rawr.
Because you can like the art, without understanding the rest of the subculture(like the types who like the art, but groan at the sight and avoid pouncing, nomming, etc), while it would be pretty difficult to not understand if you wag your tail during RP, for example.
And you can "understand the rest of subculture" without paying attention to art scene. Wouldn't that make two separate subgroups within a bigger one?

And uh... You didn't answer my question. You can fracture role-players and art fans both on their merits, just like you can with the "furry" itself - but why would you want to do it in the first place, and why stop where you did?

About that other discussion: see end of previous page.
 

ZeeDog

Member
And you can "understand the rest of subculture" without paying attention to art scene. Wouldn't that make two separate subgroups within a bigger one?

And uh... You didn't answer my question. You can fracture role-players and art fans both on their merits, just like you can with the "furry" itself - but why would you want to do it in the first place, and why stop where you did?

About that other discussion: see end of previous page.

Actually, it's not about RP or collars or meowing specifically, but that you anthromorphize yourself, because in the process, you must grasp the idea of anthropomorphizing, and thus, get the subculture as a whole. If you only look at art, you don't necessarily have to get it, since you might just appreciate the style, but not the ideas behind it. Because of this, the subculture might seem irrational and fanatical to you, so you would have mainstream culture and the furry subculture tied to the same word, and would cause conflict.

As for what the previous discussion has to with this: it started with someone saying that people were attracted to to furry because of lack of social pretenses and animal innocence, to which I said was ridiculous, because animals couldn't really be innocent or malicious because they lack conceptual faculties, and furry was better explained through animal symbolism and anthromorphization, which lead to comparative psychology, and here we are.
 

Draco_2k

Rawr.
Actually, it's not about RP or collars or meowing specifically, but that you anthromorphize yourself, because in the process, you must grasp the idea of anthropomorphizing, and thus, get the subculture as a whole. If you only look at art, you don't necessarily have to get it, since you might just appreciate the style, but not the ideas behind it. Because of this, the subculture might seem irrational and fanatical to you, so you would have mainstream culture and the furry subculture tied to the same word, and would cause conflict.
As I said before, role-playing, art, spirituality, self-identification and reasoning can be applied to "Furry" independently as well as separately.

I have no idea what you mean exactly by "anthropomorphising yourself", and why does it suddenly deserve a category on it's own, least of all above all other interests encompasses by the fandom.

As for what the previous discussion has to with this: it started with someone saying that people were attracted to to furry because of lack of social pretenses and animal innocence, to which I said was ridiculous, because animals couldn't really be innocent or malicious because they lack conceptual faculties, and furry was better explained through animal symbolism and anthromorphization, which lead to comparative psychology, and here we are.
Well, that's a lot simpler then: it can be both.

Whether or not animals are "innocent" (stupid concept to begin with) doesn't affect how people perceive them - so some might very well be "into it" because of it. Just like like they could be into it due to spirituality, or symbolism, or self-identification, or plain old "Cool" factor.
 
I always looked at furry like being a drug user. It makes you happy but people aren't going to understand. Some will be angry, many won't understand, a few won't care, but there is that handful that you can't trust with knowledge like that and you could find yourself in between a rock and a hard place if they let it known to anyone else.

In short, you just don't tell people you're furry. Ever. Unless you're sure they're furry too or can handle it. I don't like other people knowing things they're not going to understand and won't take the time to learn the facts about before they start dribbling nonsensical crap at me.

As far as what makes you furry, furry just is. I do believe it's that simple.
It's an appriciation of animals or animal traits and a kinship to something other then the human element.

"Humans are boring, let's break away from that." Is the idea I get sometimes when I think about furry. xD
 
Last edited:

ZeeDog

Member
As I said before, role-playing, art, spirituality, self-identification and reasoning can be applied to "Furry" independently as well as separately.

Not really. There are some things that can be appreciated independently of the fandom, and some that require you to appreciate the fandom. For example, someone who likes RP would not repudiate furry art, but someone who likes furry art may dislike furry RPers. The different parts of furry fandom are more like a piramid than a list of separate things.

Top top bottom

Lifestyle -> RPing -> Art

Where the everything from the beginning of each part, to the bottom of the pyramid, is included in it. So a lifestyler will like everything, Art fans will only like the art. Also, by like, I don't mean necessarily participate in the activity, but more tolerate and accept the activity as good. So you'd be at RP even if you don't RP, if you think furry RP is great. Essentially, how far you think it should go.

I have no idea what you mean exactly by "anthropomorphising yourself", and why does it suddenly deserve a category on it's own, least of all above all other interests encompasses by the fandom.

Which brings to my point, those who anthropomorphize themselves are a different group of people, with their own subculture and traditions. Basically, the point where consider yourself an anthro animal in spirit(whether it be RP, fursuits, dog collars, etc) is where you start calling yourself a furry, since you'd be guided by ideas differently than the rest of the fandom. Also, I don't really mean to unite the fandom as much as unite furries themselves. What is considered furry fandom is another topic entirely.

Well, that's a lot simpler then: it can be both.

Whether or not animals are "innocent" (stupid concept to begin with) doesn't affect how people perceive them - so some might very well be "into it" because of it. Just like like they could be into it due to spirituality, or symbolism, or self-identification, or plain old "Cool" factor.

Which is the same thing I concluded. Animal innocense is ridiculous, but it still would fit under my theory.
 

ZeeDog

Member
I always looked at furry like being a drug user. It makes you happy but people aren't going to understand. Some will be angry, many won't understand, a few won't care, but there is that handful that you can't trust with knowledge like that and you could find yourself in between a rock and a hard place if they let it known to anyone else.

In short, you just don't tell people you're furry. Ever. Unless you're sure they're furry too or can handle it. I don't like other people knowing things they're not going to understand and won't take the time to learn the facts about before they start dribbling nonsensical crap at me.

Which is what I aim to change. Your furryness shouldn't be hidden, it should be clearly and rationally explained out in the open. Ignorance of what furry is among the general population will only hurt us.

As far as what makes you furry, furry just is. I do believe it's that simple.
It's an appriciation of animals or animal traits and a kinship to something other then the human element.

Nah, stuff that just is more fundamental than a specific subculture(stuff like A is A)
 

Draco_2k

Rawr.
Hey, welcome back.
Not really. There are some things that can be appreciated independently of the fandom, and some that require you to appreciate the fandom. For example, someone who likes RP would not repudiate furry art, but someone who likes furry art may dislike furry RPers. The different parts of furry fandom are more like a piramid than a list of separate things.

Top top bottom

Lifestyle -> RPing -> Art

Where the everything from the beginning of each part, to the bottom of the pyramid, is included in it. So a lifestyler will like everything, Art fans will only like the art. Also, by like, I don't mean necessarily participate in the activity, but more tolerate and accept the activity as good. So you'd be at RP even if you don't RP, if you think furry RP is great. Essentially, how far you think it should go.
This is outright incorrect.

Personally, I've been in the fandom long enough to see people who are into roleplaying, but don't care about art, people who are into spirituality who don't have a fursona, as well as those who like art, roleplaying and have a fursona altogether. These interests are not necessarily interconnected, less of all being in hierarchical relationship to one another.

Furthermore, your claims are non-sequitir. Explaining your hypotheses would help a lot more than asserting the lot of them in rapid succession. That is to say, present the full logical chain instead of just the conclusions. You know, etiquette.

Which brings to my point, those who anthropomorphize themselves are a different group of people, with their own subculture and traditions. Basically, the point where consider yourself an anthro animal in spirit(whether it be RP, fursuits, dog collars, etc) is where you start calling yourself a furry, since you'd be guided by ideas differently than the rest of the fandom. Also, I don't really mean to unite the fandom as much as unite furries themselves. What is considered furry fandom is another topic entirely.
That's also wrong.

There is no such thing as "anthropomorphising yourself" (please don't make up words without explaining their meaning). Fursuiting, fursonas, collars, etc. are not necessarily connected to spirituality (can be just for fun), and the only thing "Furry" ever meant is an appreciation of anthropomorphic characters.* Look it up.

*Barring Furry Lifestylers. Google can also clear that up.

Which is the same thing I concluded. Animal innocense is ridiculous, but it still would fit under my theory.
What theory.

Also, "Innocence" only has any meaning under some sort of law.

Which is what I aim to change. Your furryness shouldn't be hidden, it should be clearly and rationally explained out in the open. Ignorance of what furry is among the general population will only hurt us.
General population doesn't even know what the fuck that is. Leave them alone.
 
Last edited:
One of my fave quotes (that never seems to amuse anyone else) is Victor Hugo (you know, the guy who wrote the book Les Miserables-- yes it was a book before it was a musical!):



Personally, what I think lies at the root of the fandom is a fascination. And at the root of that fascination are two instincts (fairly well documented by evolutionary psych guys) we evolved to have:

One is a fascination with living things, their forms, habits, and essential "character" or "essence" or "spirit." Thus, catness, dogness, horseness, etc, especially if you've ever been aroud cats, dogs, horses, respectively.
The other instinct is a fascination with/awareness of other intelligent beings-- and the reflexive attempt to try and understand or "model" what's going on in their minds.

When you put the two together, you inevitably have an inborn human fascination with the idea of animals with a human point of view (and by extension, intelligence, language, even hands and the rest.)

From there, I think it's fairly normal to try and elaborate this sense of fascination and awe, into a distinguishing part of one's identity. Like you said, people notice that a person has certain "catlike" features, ergo, they identify with a cat.

Through history, human spiritual practices have always found some set of inspirational ideas to latch onto. In some eras, it's the cycle of the seasons and vegetation growth, harvest, death, rebirth-- and the slain-and-ressurected king that goes along with all that. In others, it's the complex but regular patterns of the stars and planets. In others, the perfection and nobility of human form and reason. In many of the first, as with our ancestors over the millenia of the great hunt across the plains of Eurasia-- and I would argue, strongly emergent in the furry fandom-- the fascination is with animal forms and powers.

I agree that it's flimsy to go with some definition of "furry" most of us know misses the mark, like "anthing goes!!!"

On the other hand, I disagree that an especially intense identification with an animal is the most basic thing. The most basic thing is the fascination itself.

I think another thing that comes from identifying with an animal or species, is the whole make-believe game of "what would it be like to be such an animal," and the biggest deal for whitebread joe like me, at least, when it comes to that, is that animals obviously live largely free of the ordinary social baggage and jarringly artificial circumstances we humans find ourselves trapped in.

One of the words I hear furries use to describe this imagined state of mind is "innocence." However you describe it, this similar-but-different, social-but-not-trapped, uncomplicated, baggage- and disgust- and superstition-free attitude toward life that we can imagine having as animals-with-a-point-of-view, is the other part of what I've always seen as essentially furry, and I think you may have been getting at it too, in a way.

Anyway, that's my take on it. Inborn fascination with the idea of thinking animals plus the daydream of naturalness/innocence. That's furry.

The human brain is the only one smart enough to even study itself, and through that study others, they say.

To me, being a furry is the love of animals, anthromorphic or no. I love wolves to a huge degree. I mean, I'm not going to go out and fuck a wolf in the ass, but I seem to have an affinity to them. Have you ever seen "Never Cry Wolf"? That's the movie that got me into the furry fandom, in a sense.
 
And, god people, quit arguing. Furry means different things for different people. :p For instance, for me it means my attraction to furry porn, and affinity to wolves. For someone else, it could be something entirely different. Quit calling each other wrong. You can't be wrong. Furry is a noun based on opinions. Therefore, whenever you say something about it, you're never right and never wrong.
 

FurTheWin

Member
I agree that people that only participate in the art aspect shouldn't consider themselves furries. It's like calling yourself a football player because you've watched some of the games.
Well, that analogy doesn't work well considering being a football player denotes participation in an activity while, as I see it, being a furry just denotes an increased interest in the subject of animal anthropomorphism.

I consider a person "furry" when he or she is especially interested in this subject of furry. More than average.

For instance: If a person "just likes" Disney's Robin Hood, I don't consider him/her a furry, but if one of the major reasons he/she likes the movie is the furryness of the characters then I consider that person a furry.

That is my opinion at least. There seems to be as many opinions on the matter as there is people in the fandom.
 

FurryWurry

Not FuzzyWuzzy!
What goes around, comes around ;3

This argument was old more than a decade ago when alt.lifestyle.furry split from alt.fan.furry.

You're furry if you believe you're furry.
 
Last edited:

Nox

A fox of all colors.
I agree that people that only participate in the art aspect shouldn't consider themselves furries. It's like calling yourself a football player because you've watched some of the games. Hell, there are thousands of kids that LOVE mickey mouse and such, but that doesn't make them furries. I draw and like the art, sometimes wear a tail in private, and occasionally act like an animal, yet I still don't consider myself fully furry. It doesn't influence my life enough. For instance, I don't go around wearing T-shirst or jewelery with my spirit animal on it, and most of my friends aren't even aware of my interest in furries. It's like I'm a hobby furry, and I only participate in my free time =3

Thank you. You just said what I have always tried to tell people. A Furry IS someone who connects with the animal. I do. I am a Furry. Thats why wonder why some 'furries' BWAA over trolls...when they only draw/like the art. :\
 

Nevarous

Ironjaw
I know I'm new here, but please don't bite my head off for throwing in my two cents.


I believe this whole furry thing is a matter of spirit, such as I acted like my animal long before I knew what a furry was, furrydom didn't start with the word or even with the Internet.

Humans have always seen themselves as one animal or another, look at Native Americas, some tribes named their kids after animals. But did this mean the man named "Rabbit" was a frightened little guy? Or that the one called "Eagle" was a great and mighty killer? Even though they were named after animals they shared few traits with their name-sakes.

But the further humans got from their hunter/gatherer ways the more they began to think of themselves as animals.
Today, a man who sees himself as a rabbit may be frightened and scared or even just see himself a very lucky.

I think that the close they get to a future that has little or no room for animal like habits, the more people will start to see themselves as animals.

Somehow humans went to believing in animal like souls, but not acting like them. To thinking themselves as non-animals but act animal like in secret.


I think I just mudled up my thoughts and made a jumble of words out of what sounded like a good train of thought at the time.
 
The OP's post and what I have observed from many furries makes the assumption that there is a "fundamental self" which can then be expressed outwardly, and with true clarity, throught the constrution of a fursona.

Now, whether there is or isn't a fundamental and true "self" is something you could spend all day arguing one way or another so it isn't my intent to argue one way or another. What I find truly interesting is that many furries tend to keep assuming there is a true "self" and accept it as if it were proven fact.

Now, what could be the cause behind such a phenomenon? Could it just be chance, given that many non-furs also believe in a fundamental entity of the "self"?
 

Hakar Kerarmor

PRAISE THE EMPEROR
Thank you. You just said what I have always tried to tell people. A Furry IS someone who connects with the animal. I do. I am a Furry. Thats why wonder why some 'furries' BWAA over trolls...when they only draw/like the art. :\

I don't 'connect' with the animal, yet I'm a furry.
I just think many animals are awesome/pretty/cute.
 
Top