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The one-sided focus of 9/11 - the Twin Towers.

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Rukh_Whitefang

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Here's my thoughts: America needs to move on from 9/11.

It's not that this day shouldn't be remembered, but I think it's silly to observe it as a solemn day of mourning.

My advice, turn it into a day that celebrates our freedom. Hold a time of silence if you must, but overall rejoice rejoice in the fact that we are still here.

Note: I'm not advocating the celebration of death. I'm just saying we need to move past it.

Yeah, lets forget about all those people... Hey, while your at it, we should stop remembering pearl harbor or D-day as well. Memorial day, what a stupid day, we spend all day remembering those who sacrificed their lives in the service. Lets stop remembering them too. Lets get rid of all the war memorials we have in the country, cause you know, we should move on...

Big moments in history should be remembered. Like Roosevelt said about Pearl Harbor. A day which will live in infamy. Well, our generations Pearl Harbor was 9/11.
Like it or not, that day goes down in the history books as a day that changed the world.


Maybe for some of you, you were to young to realize what had happened or remember much.

I was 14 and in High School at that time. That day was burned into my memory. I remember everything about that day in school.
 
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Deo

The hatred of FAF personified
Yeah, lets forget about all those people... Hey, while your at it, we should stop remembering pearl harbor or D-day as well. Memorial day, what a stupid day, we spend all day remembering those who sacrificed their lives in the service. Lets stop remembering them too. Lets ged rid of all the war memorials we have in the country, cause you know. we should move on...

Big moments in history should be remembered. Like Roosevelt said about Pearl Habor. A day which will live in infamy. Well, our generations Pearl Harbor was 9/11.

Maybe for some of you, you were to young to realize what had happened or remember much.

I was 14 and in High School at that time. That day was burned into my memory. I remember everything about that day in school.
He didn't say forget, he said to move on and heal as a country. This conitnual yearly hate-sob fest over "those evil muslims" is not going to make us a more united or stronger country. We need to let go of the pain and move on to be proud and celebrate our freedom. What you're doing is just bologna and straw man. Rukh, be reasonable.
 

Xenke

Member
Yeah, lets forget about all those people... Hey, while your at it, we should stop remembering pearl harbor or D-day as well. Memorial day, what a stupid day, we spend all day remembering those who sacrificed their lives in the service. Lets stop remembering them too. Lets get rid of all the war memorials we have in the country, cause you know, we should move on...

Right, because you have to mourn people to remember them. Oh wait, that's not true at all. It's pointless to mourn death when you can celebrate life, and not just your life, but even the lives of the people who were lost.

Big moments in history should be remembered. Like Roosevelt said about Pearl Harbor. A day which will live in infamy. Well, our generations Pearl Harbor was 9/11.
Like it or not, that day goes down in the history books as a day that changed the world.

And I didn't say it should be forgotten, did I? Move past =/= purge from memory.

Maybe for some of you, you were to young to realize what had happened or remember much.

I was 14 and in High School at that time. That day was burned into my memory. I remember everything about that day in school.

I, for one, remember that day really well. Almost everyone who worked downtown went home because everything closed down as a precaution, and as a result, schools also let parents pick up their children early. So yea, I watched pretty much the whole event on the news, and it's not something you forget.
 

Bliss

Member
There was a fancy quote to my liking that commented America's loose hand on the button and itself never having to experience missiles launched on its own soil. Darn, I want it bad, so bad.

So, Deo, have you confronted any of those fools?
 

VoidBat

Member
The towers had a symbolic value and were pretty well-known outside of the USA, thus it will attract more viewers/readers then the reports of the other flights.
I guess the shock value is also important, a peaceful city, the very heart of a society where people come together has been attacked, for example.

It's a good story, and whatever people like it or not the media knows how to milk it dry.
 

Deo

The hatred of FAF personified
So, Deo, have you confronted any of those fools?
Yes, but sadly they are entrenched in their misconceptions and in their hate and though I talk to them they cannot seem to reliquish their idea of superiority and their idea that the war "sure showed them not to fuck with America". Those who've said such awful things actually staunchly believe they are saying the truth. And it makes me despair a little.
 

CannonFodder

Resistance is futile! If 0 ohm
He didn't say forget, he said to move on and heal as a country. This conitnual yearly hate-sob fest over "those evil muslims" is not going to make us a more united or stronger country. We need to let go of the pain and move on to be proud and celebrate our freedom. What you're doing is just bologna and straw man. Rukh, be reasonable.
To use a analogy we as a country need to stop pouring salt in the old wound and stick it. Leaving the wound open lets hate towards muslims broil.
 

Deo

The hatred of FAF personified
To use a analogy we as a country need to stop pouring salt in the old wound and stick it. Leaving the wound open lets hate towards muslims broil.
In the book 1984 they have what's called a "10 minute hate" where everyday for 10 minutes everyone becomes enraged, violent, angry, and froths themselves up to a horrifying degree to the point where they can no longer see straight. We are doing this once a year in a "1440 minute hate". By working up and riling the American people to demonize a whole other class of people (most of which had no involvement and some of which died in the very event we are so upset over). This continual hate and anger does not help us as a species or as a world. It only incites greater violence and retribution in a never ending circle.
 

CannonFodder

Resistance is futile! If 0 ohm
In the book 1984 they have what's called a "10 minute hate" where everyday for 10 minutes everyone becomes enraged, violent, angry, and froths themselves up to a horrifying degree to the point where they can no longer see straight. We are doing this once a year in a "1440 minute hate". By working up and riling the American people to demonize a whole other class of people (most of which had no involvement and some of which died in the very event we are so upset over). This continual hate and anger does not help us as a species or as a world. It only incites greater violence and retribution in a never ending circle.
The problem is everyone knows history repeats, and yet we as a country don't learn from it in the least.
 

ramsay_baggins

WINTERFELL!
I'm just so sick of people demonizing muslims. Our college campus is having some sort of gathering/rally tonight about it and I keep hearing people say things like "Fuck those sand monkeys and their fucking fake god!" And it pisses me off to no end. NO END.
GODDAMN PEOPLE.

Hell, it seems to be becoming "Hate everyone who has a religion, as this proves that religion can only cause evil".
One of the things that popped up on my newsfeed was a picture of the towers standing with the caption "Imagine no religion". When I reply that I dislike the concept, I get told "Yes, but I'm an athiest so I can respect you have a different opinion." Ugh.

The use of 9/11 for political/religious/anti-religious pushing is infuriating.
 

CannonFodder

Resistance is futile! If 0 ohm
Hell, it seems to be becoming "Hate everyone who has a religion, as this proves that religion can only cause evil".
One of the things that popped up on my newsfeed was a picture of the towers standing with the caption "Imagine no religion". When I reply that I dislike the concept, I get told "Yes, but I'm an athiest so I can respect you have a different opinion." Ugh.

The use of 9/11 for political/religious/anti-religious pushing is infuriating.
Is it just me or is the situation in Europe getting worse and worse every year?
And yes I do read the news about whats going on your side of the ocean.

If anything WWIII will be started by you guys and we'll be drawn into it.
 
I hate the way that the religion of Islam has been demonized over the acts of a few individuals. Islam is a religion of peace (like most religions), whether you subscribe to the faith or not.

I was too young to remember the WTC attacks, and, being British, it didn't hit home as hard as it would have with Americans. As for the media coverage being centralized on the twin towers and the two other planes not getting a fair mention, I disagree:

"Nearly 3,000 people died when al Qaeda hijackers brought down the World Trade Centre towers, flew a plane into the Pentagon and onto a field in Pennsylvania." - Sky News.

That was the second paragraph of the article, so I thought it was fairly balanced and honored them all equally.
 
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Rukh_Whitefang

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He didn't say forget, he said to move on and heal as a country. This conitnual yearly hate-sob fest over "those evil muslims" is not going to make us a more united or stronger country. We need to let go of the pain and move on to be proud and celebrate our freedom. What you're doing is just bologna and straw man. Rukh, be reasonable.

Did I say anything about hate? No, I did not. I can tell you, what I am sick of seeing, is young teenagers who, laugh, mock, and think nothing of what happened that day. I have seen it on here too. If all you think the yearly remembrance is a hate fest. Then that's all you. Last time I checked, its about remembering those who were killed, remembering those who sacrificed themselves to save others. Its about remembering our countries heroes. Nothing about hate.

To heal is to remember and honor those who were killed and those who sacrificed their lives to help others.

The last thing we should do, is dishonor those who died, or worse, spit upon their names.
 
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Hendly Devin

No this cant be true!
Probably because the plane that was taken back by the brave passengers probably wasnt taken back by passengers and was instead obliterated by an air force missile. And that the plane that hit the pentagon wasnt really a plane, i mean come on its the pentagon, its a tourist attraction too, no one was filming a plane crash into it? Not even security cameras? Also.... The same size planes that took down the towers only left a sixteen foot hole in the pentagon.... Not saying it was an inside job but it sure seems rather fishy to me...

It seems like to me that there might not be coverage or media focus on those events because they are so god damned fishy and nobody wants to really figure that said fishyness is the result of an "inside job"

Maybe im just an angry anti-government nut but im pretty damned certain that the plane that got taken back was shot down.
 

CannonFodder

Resistance is futile! If 0 ohm
I hate the way that the religion of Islam has been demonized over the acts of a few individuals. Islam is a religion of peace (like most religions), whether you subscribe to the faith or not.
It's pretty obvious how this shit is going to hit the fan, for instance that swedish bomber was called a christian fundamentalist. He wasn't christian, he did the bombing cause of his anti-muslim views and because of that he was typecasted as such because the mentality of, "religion is the root of evil" is viewed as the norm and the mentality of "my side can never be wrong".

So yeah if WWIII starts it will more than likely not be the US' fault, but the resurgence of racism and radicalism in Europe sparking a international shitstorm.
 
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Deo

The hatred of FAF personified
Did I say anything about hate? No, I did not. I can tell you, what I am sick of seeing, is young teenagers who, laugh, mock, and think nothing of what happened that day. I have seen it on here too. If all you think the yearly remembrance is a hate fest. Then that's all you. Last time I checked, its about remembering those who were killed, remembering those who sacrificed themselves to save others. Its about remembering our countries heroes. Nothing about hate.

To heal is to remember and honor those who were killed and those who sacrificed their lives to help others. Not spit upon their names.
Rukh your personal ideas and thoughts toward the day is specifically what I like to see and I encourage you to continue to respect the day.
I never wanted the day "laughed and mocked" and I believe I never posted anything close to that, quote me if I am mistaken in this greivous error. And no, remembering the loss is not bad, but honing that loss into a hard sharp bundle of societal/national pain is.
What I am talking about moreso is not respecting the day, the heros, and the dead; but the way the date is manipulated into propaganda and how in the past (and present) it has been used by some to spread hate. Now I know you wouldn't spread hate, Rukh right? So we can at least agree that using the innocent death of thousands as a device to emotionally manipulate people is a bad thing.
 

CannonFodder

Resistance is futile! If 0 ohm
Rukh your personal ideas and thoughts toward the day is specifically what I like to see and I encourage you to continue to respect the day.
What I am talking about moreso is not respecting the day, the heros, and the dead; but the way the date is manipulated into propaganda and how in the past (and present) it has been used by some to spread hate. Now I know you wouldn't spread hate, Rukh right? So we can at least agree that using the innocent death of thousands as a device to emotionally manipulate people is a bad thing.
Not to mention those people's deaths were manipulated for politcal gain.
I don't think using deaths to get your way counts as remembering them, instead it was rather bastardizing their loss into a sick twisted memory used to scare people into doing as you say.
 

Aden

Play from your ****ing HEART
Probably because the plane that was taken back by the brave passengers probably wasnt taken back by passengers and was instead obliterated by an air force missile. And that the plane that hit the pentagon wasnt really a plane, i mean come on its the pentagon, its a tourist attraction too, no one was filming a plane crash into it? Not even security cameras? Also.... The same size planes that took down the towers only left a sixteen foot hole in the pentagon.... Not saying it was an inside job but it sure seems rather fishy to me...

It seems like to me that there might not be coverage or media focus on those events because they are so god damned fishy and nobody wants to really figure that said fishyness is the result of an "inside job"

I really really hope this is Poe's Law in effect
 
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Tycho

Guest
It's done, it's over, it happened. Remember the people, remember the mistakes made. Quit obsessing over it. Fuck, I HATE the media for turning this day into something so much BIGGER than Memorial Day or Veterans' Day or December 7.

I'm going to go play Jenga and drink soda sweetened with all-American high fructose corn syrup in remembrance. Fuck off, jingoists and death-worshippers.
 

Gryphoneer

20 Quatloos on "disruptive"
I wanted to make a thread about it at the start of the day, but then I dropped off...

So, anyway, this whole brouhaha is nothing more than tragedy porn with an already mentioned commercial and, worse, a demagogic angle.

While we're at terrorism, how do you call an indecent multi-media campaign that's geared towards creating a climate of fear to facilitate your political agenda?
 

CannonFodder

Resistance is futile! If 0 ohm
While we're at terrorism, how do you call an indecent multi-media campaign that's geared towards creating a climate of fear to facilitate your political agenda?
Actually that does fit into the definition of terrorism cause they're using intimidation tactics for political gain.
 

DarrylWolf

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On December 7, 1951, ten years after the attack on Pearl Harbor, the Americans had long since defeated their Japanese assailants, defeated Germany and Italy before them, and after winning the war, were now in the more tiresome, frustrating, and lengthy task of winning the peace. But in the end, America defeated the militaristic aspects of Germany and Japan and would soon have two valuable allies who themselves would become subject to republican, rather than totalitarian rule. Even to this day, they remain allies of America.

On September 11, 2011, ten years after the attack on the World Trade Center, whether or not our Afghan assailants have been defeated is still open to interpretation. We did win the war against the Taliban but now, we find ourselves giving up the process of winning the peace and have since deputized the task of enacting a new government based upon the principles of republicanism and order. We have found that our Afghan and Iraqi deputies are too incompetent, corrupt, untrained, weak, or any combination thereof to do the job. We have not really defeated the militaristic aspects of Afghanistan and Iraq, they are not our allies, and after a short-lived flirtation with elected officials in Afghanistan, many believe that Afghanistan and Iraq will fall once again into totalitarian rule. I believe the grandsons of the Afghans will probably hate our grandsons in the 2070's, seventy years after the attack that brought Americans to Afghanistan.
 
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Hendly Devin

No this cant be true!
I really really hope this is Poe's Law in effect
You dont think its entirely possible that the airforce shot down an airliner and made up a heroing story to cover it up?

Its not fishy to you that the hole in the pentagon was so small when the the same size and model plane hit the wtc it destroyed them?

No instead, saying something like that is just so outrageous i must be trying to troll... :rolleyes:
 

Xenke

Member
You dont think its entirely possible that the airforce shot down an airliner and made up a heroing story to cover it up?

Its not fishy to you that the hole in the pentagon was so small when the the same size and model plane hit the wtc it destroyed them?

I'm sure some people here will find this "entertaining" in their own way, but whatever.

As for the Pentagon thing, you do realize that different building with different structures constructed differently will react differently to planes crashing into them, right?
 
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