The Pokemon Thread

[DarrylWolf]

You're seriously overthinking it: The appearance of clothing is officially just that -- an appearance; it's really part of the body. Medicham's belly dancing outfit is officially just thick thighs; Delphox's robe is all fur.

So the clothing is actually melded onto the Pokemon itself, that's kind of creepy when you think about it.

But even the things that look like clothes like Machoke's power belt and posing briefs and Hitmonchan's sleeveless shirt and skirt-thing are part of the Pokemon's body. I can buy Delphox having a robe-like covering of fur, I can buy Medicham's belly-dance outfit as being part of her body but if it's colored differently and looks like it's made of a different material, then it has to be clothing. Which makes me wonder- were they born with the clothing on? Does Machop just grow a pair of briefs and a power belt when he evolves?

Also, we have waited seven generations and Nintendo STILL has not created a werewolf Pokemon? Why? Bandai created Weregarurumon for Digimon and he looked awesome.Lucario is a jackal and that doesn't count.

 

[Stratelier]

Also, we have waited seven generations and Nintendo STILL has not created a werewolf Pokemon? Why? Bandai created Weregarurumon for Digimon and he looked awesome.Lucario is a jackal and that doesn't count.

Six.

Zoroark is kind of a werefox....

Well, we don't have a sphinx or manticore or gryphon either.

 

[BRN]

Or any dolphins. :II

 

[Jags]

A Dolphin Pokemon would kinda blow.

Gettit? Blow? Oh gosh...

 

[DarrylWolf]

Or any dolphins. :II

You know, given the fame of Japanese subcultures, I would love to see a business suit-wearing salaryman or disguised Shinto priest or geiko Pokemon. I know Nintendo tried to create a parody of the "yamaban" craze with Jynx, who was well-received in Japan. When they introduced Jynx to American audiences, it was controversial because she looked, to those ignorant of Japanese culture, like an overweight drag queen in blackface- in fact, Jynx is an exhibit at some museum of racist iconography somewhere in Mississippi. I think the Jynx incident is why Nintendo started to drift away from the more anthropomorphic Pokemon like Hitmonchan, Machoke, Jynx, and Mr. Mime after the first generation, in favor of zoomorphic characters or those based off of inanimate objects. We have Medicham and Gothitelle but other than that, Ninty just doesn't make humanoid Pokemon anymore.

 

[Stratelier]

A Dolphin Pokemon would kinda blow.

Gettit? Blow? Oh gosh...

Nobody spotted the obvious double entendre in my previous post?

 

[CaptainCool]

Why doesn't Nintendo change the appearance and clothing of Pokemon who wear dress-like garments (Gardevoir, Jynx, Braixen, Delphox etc.) for something masculine if they happened to be male. I can't help but think about the male Delphox I own as being "in drag". The flip side is that Hitmonchan and Machoke are clearly based off of human boxers and musclemen, and we know there are female boxers and musclewomen, so if there are female Hitmonchan and Machokes why wouldn't they have a push-up bra underneath the sleeveless shirt in the former case, or wear just a bra in the latter case? Why is it that the male and female Pokemon that have anthropomorphic or bipedal zoomorphic appearances look absolutely identical to each other, regardless of gender?

Also, if every member of a specific Pokemon species is male or female, without exception and we know that Pokemon reproduce sexually, then how could we have an all-female or all-male species that would be able to propagate?

Because clothing has nothing to do with gender.

As for all male and all female species: The answer is Ditto.

 

[BRN]

You know, given the fame of Japanese subcultures, I would love to see a business suit-wearing salaryman or disguised Shinto priest or geiko Pokemon. I know Nintendo tried to create a parody of the "yamaban" craze with Jynx, who was well-received in Japan. When they introduced Jynx to American audiences, it was controversial because she looked, to those ignorant of Japanese culture, like an overweight drag queen in blackface- in fact, Jynx is an exhibit at some museum of racist iconography somewhere in Mississippi. I think the Jynx incident is why Nintendo started to drift away from the more anthropomorphic Pokemon like Hitmonchan, Machoke, Jynx, and Mr. Mime after the first generation, in favor of zoomorphic characters or those based off of inanimate objects. We have Medicham and Gothitelle but other than that, Ninty just doesn't make humanoid Pokemon anymore.

Aye, Jynx was always controversial for very obvious reasons and while I think it was an exercise in ignorance rather than toeing the racial line, Game Freak clearly weren't too clued up when it came to her.

But I don't think the places that Nintendo have received inspiration from have changed. I'm not gonna lie, as a fan of a particular style of monsters I really appreciate the zoomorphic ones - Sandslash the pangolin, Quilava the weazel, Donphan the anteater, Linoone the badger, Luxray the big cat... but anthropomorphic designs have been in every generation too, from Lucario to Zoroark to Gardevoir, Gallade, Sawk, Throh, Hitmonchan, Hitmonlee, the list goes on; miscellaneous designs too, from Voltorb to Klink and Klefki and Regigigas. Rose-tinted specs make people focus on the ones they liked, I think.

 

[Jags]

Another thought is that for every suggestion we make, it may already have been tried. There must be thousands of rejected 'mons, for one reason or another, and what we think is a cool idea on paper might just not work in practice.

 

[CaptainCool]

Donphan the anteater

But anteaters don't have tusks O_O

 

[BRN]

But anteaters don't have tusks O_O

Oops. My bad.

Donphan's, like, some kind of badass war-elephant.

 

[CaptainCool]

Oops. My bad.

Donphan's, like, some kind of badass war-elephant.

A 3'07″ war-elephant though, Donphans are tiny! X3

 

[Schwimmwagen]

I'm gonna do a nuzlocke run of ye olde silvere version in the near-future I think

 

[CaptainCool]

I'm gonna do a nuzlocke run of ye olde silvere version in the near-future I think

I tried a nuzlocke run in fire red 2 months ago. I got lucky and pretty much steamrolled through the whole game

 

[SirRob]

Another thought is that for every suggestion we make, it may already have been tried. There must be thousands of rejected 'mons, for one reason or another, and what we think is a cool idea on paper might just not work in practice.

Definitely true. Some designs are even saved for future generations; Shellos and Gastrodon were originally intended to be in Ruby and Sapphire, and even have sprite data.

 

[Wither]

I'm gonna do a nuzlocke run of ye olde silvere version in the near-future I think

Funnily, in X and Y first thing i caught was a Pidgey. Next Zone caught a Fletchling.
Basically only used those until you had to get the flute. First pokemon in the tall grass by the mansion? Furfrou.

I went through the whole game with basically those three. My fletchling died once so I can't call it a nuzlocke but it was just about.

X and Y might be the easiest game for a nuzlocke if it weren't for how long it is. (first pokemon is always a Pidgey. It's ALWAYS a Pidgey. I restarted my game three times the week I got it and my brother twice.)
That's the first gym cleared. Pray to God you get a Pikachu in the Forrest (they're fucking swarming at day time btw so it's nearly guaranteed. Just don't come at night. Night has all the bugs) and most pokemon in the third zone are decent. Especially Fletchling.

...
I should do this. I'll just trade the Pokemon i'd keep (not use) to my bro and trade em back later if I beat the game or straight up lose.

 

[DarrylWolf]

Another thought is that for every suggestion we make, it may already have been tried. There must be thousands of rejected 'mons, for one reason or another, and what we think is a cool idea on paper might just not work in practice.

And yet we still end up with inanimate-objects-come-to-life, which would be okay if they were items that might be intimidating. I liked the sword Pokemon from X and Y and Pawniard and Bisharp, obviously based off of chess pieces, But I think the Vanillite, the ice cream cone and Garbodor, the trash bag were almost universally panned, and people said "Oh, Nintendo has hit rock bottom with these lame ideas."

Nintendo probably has some of its employees committed to coming up with ideas for the next generation of Pokemon. There may be plenty of rejected Pokemon but what is to say that these rejects won't find their way in an upcoming Kirby or Zelda game? The game Mother 3 released in 2006 had the main character battling chimeras like snake-chickens and android lions and a robotic moose. Seeing as how Game Freak consults with Nintendo on a normal basis, I'm almost certain that rejected Pokemon ideas find their way into other Nintendo games.

 

[CaptainCool]

Funnily, in X and Y first thing i caught was a Pidgey. Next Zone caught a Fletchling.
Basically only used those until you had to get the flute. First pokemon in the tall grass by the mansion? Furfrou.

I went through the whole game with basically those three. My fletchling died once so I can't call it a nuzlocke but it was just about.

X and Y might be the easiest game for a nuzlocke if it weren't for how long it is. (first pokemon is always a Pidgey. It's ALWAYS a Pidgey. I restarted my game three times the week I got it and my brother twice.)
That's the first gym cleared. Pray to God you get a Pikachu in the Forrest (they're fucking swarming at day time btw so it's nearly guaranteed. Just don't come at night. Night has all the bugs) and most pokemon in the third zone are decent. Especially Fletchling.

...
I should do this. I'll just trade the Pokemon i'd keep (not use) to my bro and trade em back later if I beat the game or straight up lose.

As far as I know the Pidgey that you encounter in the very first patch of grass is scripted and everone encounters it :3

 

[Schwimmwagen]

Nuzlocke has started. I'm Gibbs, and I got a Totodile who I named Irwin. I have also caught a female Pidgey called Frannie.

My rival, who is a dick and has red hair, I named Reddick.

I'm currently grinding Frannie and Irwin together to ensure their success in the first route stuffed with trainers. I hope to get a Rattata on that route cos Raticate is a boss. I was disappoint because I wanted it instead of Pidgey, but hey, now I can teach fly to Frannie later on. IF SHE LIVES. I also had an opportunity to catch a Spearow on the route north of the first route leaving New Bark Town. Unfortunately I accidentally fucked its shit up in one hit. Irwin is a faggot. I wanted Geodude anyway.

 

[Jags]

I lost my Black Nuzlocke at the first gym. See my fate, and learn young Gibster. Smart switch-outs are your saving grace.

 

[CaptainCool]

Nuzlocke has started.

YES GO GIBBS! GO CATCH THEM ALL! Or like... just the first Mon you see in each new zone. But that doesn't sound as cool :T
Did you choose any additional rules?

 

[Stratelier]

YES GO GIBBS! GO CATCH THEM ALL! Or like... just the first Mon you see in each new zone. But that doesn't sound as cool :T
Did you choose any additional rules?

You could always make it "limit one Pokemon per route, not previously caught, no PC storage" for some flexibility....

 

[CaptainCool]

You could always make it "limit one Pokemon per route, not previously caught, no PC storage" for some flexibility....

That is how I handled it in my run as well. Rules to avoid duplicates work rather well and make sense. Some Pokémon are just too common and pop up everywhere. A team of 6 Raticates isn't really gonna get you anywhere

 

[Schwimmwagen]

YES GO GIBBS! GO CATCH THEM ALL! Or like... just the first Mon you see in each new zone. But that doesn't sound as cool :T
Did you choose any additional rules?

Nah, I'm just using the bog-standard set.

But since I'm nub, is having "reserves" stored in the PC of other mons you met under the route-related rules gamebreaking here?

 

[Stratelier]

But since I'm nub, is having "reserves" stored in the PC of other mons you met under the route-related rules gamebreaking here?

Depends on how you handle permadeath and potential game overs.

I've always kind of imagined that if I were to run a Nuzlocke style rules I'd probably set an inventory limit of one reviving item at any time, usable outside of battle only; any other KO's are considered permanent. Namely, this also means that in the event of a total party kill you'd get to keep one survivor to build a new team around if you wanted to try again, but I'm having issues with how that is supposed to work conceptually.

Of course, one of the things about a Nuzlocke is that if you get automatic after-battle healing you do have to accept that the previous battle was non-fatal KO (like with the final battles of BW1).