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The Pokemon Thread

Jags

Shepherd of Fire
your Rage is quite something to behold there, Teal.
 

Jags

Shepherd of Fire
Been thinking about this today, so I'll share my thoughts here
No, not those thoughts, the SFW ones.

What do you reckon is next? Gen 3 and 4 had remakes, Gen 5 had sequel games. Will we get a Pokemon Z, or maybe something new like DLC instead? Nintendo have already said they won't be doing more remakes, but maybe an alternative will be used. Thoughts?
 

SirRob

Well-Known Member
You can share those thoughts, really. We won't mind. In fact, I encourage it. Please.
I'd be surprised if we got DLC. I expect some sort of Pokemon Z instead, with something to differentiate it from other third versions.
 

BRN

WTB Forum Mod Powers
You can share those thoughts, really. We won't mind. In fact, I encourage it. Please.
I'd be surprised if we got DLC. I expect some sort of Pokemon Z instead, with something to differentiate it from other third versions.

Kalos is France, right? We're gonna get Germany and relive the Pokemon war.

New pokemon will include Terribleart, and his evolution Fuhrart.
 

Alexxx-Returns

The Sergal that Didn't Vore
I'm assuming a Pokemon Z, given that the third uber is called Zygarde and loosely resembles a Z.
 

Jags

Shepherd of Fire
You can share those thoughts, really. We won't mind. In fact, I encourage it. Please.

Oh my.


I was wondering if perhaps that, since this game gave a hell of a lot of access to Kanto stuff, we would get a game for Hoenn stuff. I wouldn't say another region, maybe another game set in Hoenn? Something to bring some of those Pokemon to the new field, like the starters and legenderies.
 

Misomie

Lazy Artist
I was hunting for a certain pokemon and a shiny Dedenne popped up randomly. :'D

He's so cute~ X3
 

DarrylWolf

Banned
Banned
Because a game with 700+ monsters needs something like that added in. -_-

GAME FREAK MAKES THE GAMES.

GAME FREAK is a subsidiary of Nintendo- they are 53% owned by Nintendo so if they wanted to cross promote other games that they sell in the Pokemon games, more power to 'em. You could always draw upon earlier ideas in Pokemon creation- it could also be argued that the Pokemon Jigglypuff was inspired by Kirby, especially given their similar movesets in Smash Bros. HAL, which programed Kirby, worked on Smash Bros. Also, the Pokemon franchise was rented out by HAL to create Pokemon Snap, which took part in a promotion with Blockbuster (RIP) for a Pokemon photography contest, as well as Pokemon Stadium. I don't know if anyone really cared for either of those two games but not every Pokemon game was made by Game Freak.

I also would not be surprised if rejected Pokemon ideas might find their way into other Nintendo games, because obviously the subsidiaries would work laterally to see which ideas fit best in which game. If HAL and Game Freak really are so close, then I suspect the enemies I played against in Mother 3 could have been rejected Pokemon. HAL and Game Freak being so close would also explain why the layout of Pokemon and Earthbound are very close- both are RPGs set in a modern world, both have teenage protagonists, and both use a sense of humor to tell engaging stories. It's just that Pokemon was the commercial success that Earthbound never became.
 
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Jags

Shepherd of Fire
I was hunting for a certain pokemon and a shiny Dedenne popped up randomly. :'D

He's so cute~ X3

I'm kinda jealous, Dedenne is adorable :(
 

DarrylWolf

Banned
Banned
I'm kinda jealous, Dedenne is adorable :(

Dedenne is adorable, I agree but it looks like Nintendo really liked the marketability of Pikachu, the franchise mascot and redrew him several times. First, they made him blue and named it Marill, now they give him a more mouse-like appearance and an electrical cord tail. However, you can't really replace the face of a franchise.
 

Teal

Squirrel
GAME FREAK is a subsidiary of Nintendo- they are 53% owned by Nintendo so if they wanted to cross promote other games that they sell in the Pokemon games, more power to 'em. You could always draw upon earlier ideas in Pokemon creation- it could also be argued that the Pokemon Jigglypuff was inspired by Kirby, especially given their similar movesets in Smash Bros. HAL, which programed Kirby, worked on Smash Bros. Also, the Pokemon franchise was rented out by HAL to create Pokemon Snap, which took part in a promotion with Blockbuster (RIP) for a Pokemon photography contest, as well as Pokemon Stadium. I don't know if anyone really cared for either of those two games but not every Pokemon game was made by Game Freak.
And I'm fucking glad they don't fill pokemon with pointless cameos.
Smash Bros. is something very different, I highly doubt they had similar movesets because of that. (Though Jigglypuff's design could have been inspired by Kirby. Though they look different enough that it's not an obnoxious.)
Yeah I know a lot of the spin offs are handled by more than just game freak.

I also would not be surprised if rejected Pokemon ideas might find their way into other Nintendo games, because obviously the subsidiaries would work laterally to see which ideas fit best in which game. If HAL and Game Freak really are so close, then I suspect the enemies I played against in Mother 3 could have been rejected Pokemon. HAL and Game Freak being so close would also explain why the layout of Pokemon and Earthbound are very close- both are RPGs set in a modern world, both have teenage protagonists, and both use a sense of humor to tell engaging stories. It's just that Pokemon was the commercial success that Earthbound never became.
Because that's a completely original thing. I seriously doubt any of those were pokemon (I've seen the sprites, none having anything pokemon-ish about them).
Though certain elements of pokemon seem to have slight influences from Mother. Such as Mewtwo/Giegue or FR/LG Blue's jacket looking a lot like the masked man's.
(Though this could be the influence of Creatures Inc.)
 

DarrylWolf

Banned
Banned
And I'm fucking glad they don't fill pokemon with pointless cameos.
Smash Bros. is something very different, I highly doubt they had similar movesets because of that. (Though Jigglypuff's design could have been inspired by Kirby. Though they look different enough that it's not an obnoxious.)
Yeah I know a lot of the spin offs are handled by more than just game freak.

Because that's a completely original thing. I seriously doubt any of those were pokemon (I've seen the sprites, none having anything pokemon-ish about them).
Though certain elements of pokemon seem to have slight influences from Mother. Such as Mewtwo/Giegue or FR/LG Blue's jacket looking a lot like the masked man's.
(Though this could be the influence of Creatures Inc.)

Of course, again where Earthbound only became a cult classic that failed miserably in the financial sense, Pokemon became pretty much the reason why Nintendo has been able to dominate the handheld market for so long. Itoi was more of an artiste who wanted to see his vision of a kid's coming-of-age story in a land that resembled suburban America come to life, even if it became a money pit. Tajiri ended up creating a cash cow, based on his love of capturing insects and battling them as a kid in one of Tokyo's forested wards. One was a commercial failure that serves as a sort of time capsule to the 1990's to a hardcore dedicated group, the other a monumental success that turned many '90s kids into anime-loving Nipponophiles.

Seeing as how they were both working on projects at the same time, I still like to think that one bled into the other. I for one would love to have seen plot elements from Earthbound put into Pokemon, like a crime syndicate similar to the Happy Happyists, or that you're saving the world in Pokemon from evil and people aren't exactly apathetic about it. The citizens of Threed have a zombie invasion and they're too sacred to come out of their homes, wouldn't it be nice if the NPCs in Pokemon were as aware of their surroundings. If they weren't so oblivious, they would be embracing the idea of seeing legendary Pokemon they worshipped as gods. If I was taught that these legendaries were active in the Pokemon creation story, and that they'd emerged again somewhere in the region where I lived, I'd be overjoyed to have been alive to see the various divinities that put the Poke-world in existence.
 
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Teal

Squirrel
Dedenne is adorable, I agree but it looks like Nintendo really liked the marketability of Pikachu, the franchise mascot and redrew him several times. First, they made him blue and named it Marill, now they give him a more mouse-like appearance and an electrical cord tail. However, you can't really replace the face of a franchise.
None of the Pika-clones have been able to capture the cute but not too cute charm of Pikachu.
And too think Clefairy was gonna be the mascot originally.

Itoi was more of an artiste who wanted to see his vision of a kid's coming-of-age story in a land that resembled suburban America come to life, even if it became a money pit. Tajiri ended up creating a cash cow, based on his love of capturing insects and battling them as a kid in one of Tokyo's forested wards. One was a commercial failure that serves as a sort of time capsule to the 1990's to a hardcore dedicated group, the other a monumental success that turned many '90s kids into anime-loving Nipponophiles.
ಠ_ಠ
 

Judge Spear

Well-Known Member
None of the Pika-clones have been able to capture the cute but not too cute charm of Pikachu.

dedenne_battle_1.jpg


Now go jump off the highest peak you can find. :c
 

DarrylWolf

Banned
Banned
None of the Pika-clones have been able to capture the cute but not too cute charm of Pikachu.
And too think Clefairy was gonna be the mascot originally.


It's not that Clefairy isn't cute and marketable, it's just pink and feminine. If that was the face of Pokemon, then how would Nintendo get prepubescent American boys to think that this wasn't a "girls' toy" and buy into it. Besides, when Ash got Pikachu as his first Pokemon- and we all thought of ourselves as Ash- there wasn't going to be another Pokemon that would dethrone Pikachu as the most popular.
 

Teal

Squirrel
dedenne_battle_1.jpg


Now go jump off the highest peak you can find. :c
It's TOO cute.


It's not that Clefairy isn't cute and marketable, it's just pink and feminine. If that was the face of Pokemon, then how would Nintendo get prepubescent American boys to think that this wasn't a "girls' toy" and buy into it. Besides, when Ash got Pikachu as his first Pokemon- and we all thought of ourselves as Ash- there wasn't going to be another Pokemon that would dethrone Pikachu as the most popular.
That's what I was saying about the "too cute" thing.
 

Misomie

Lazy Artist
I actually like the pikaclones more than Pikachu itself. ^^; I've tried using every generations "Pikachu" and the only two that have preformed to my standards were Emolga and Dedenne. Everyone else was just to frail to fight much of anything. (I'm not saying that Dedenne and Emolga aren't frail, because they are, but their dual-typing makes up for it.)

I love using Dedenne in battle, especially against dragons and fighting mons. >: D

I actually almost added my new Dedenne to my tournament team. XD
 

BRN

WTB Forum Mod Powers
I hate Dedenne oh god.

That thing never dies in one hit, Nuzzles my face, and then murders me with Fairy magic. Aaaaaaa

ED: Wahey, my strategy seems to work. At the cost of just three debuffs, I can get 11 stat boosts in one turn.
 
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DarrylWolf

Banned
Banned
I wish Nintendo would keep an open ear to which minigames people liked in the games and try to make them permanent additions, through each future installment. I remember the mining minigame in Sinnoh's underground as extremely fun, and I loved the Animal Crossing-like appeal of designing your own "base" in Hoenn and Sinnoh, there were also Beauty Pageants that you could link up with others and see which Pokemon had the best-looking moves in front of judges. I know Nintendo has to get rid of some minigames to make room for others but there were definite hits that, looking back, they should have kept. And I don't think anyone applauded them when they gave into pressure and eliminated gambling altogether.

Another thing I love is the final battle against the champion's background music has always been appropriately awesome. But after hearing "Pokey Means Business" from Earthbound, I'd love to hear a heavy metal final boss theme and I know that Game Freak and Nintendo could pull it off.
 
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