The Pokemon Thread

[DarrylWolf]

Not quite. It's just that the EV's scale with the Pokemon's level and don't represent the full value until lv 100.

252 EV's equal 63 points to a stat at lv 100 (4 EV's equal 1 stat point). That same 252 points at lv 50 are scaled down to half so that stat would only have 31.5 points counted. It's because at lv 50 more EV points are needed to equal a stat point (8 EV's equal 1 stat point at lv 50). Because of this scale, battles at lv 100 are rather different because the full potential of a trained pokemon comes out. 63 points make a very noticeable difference when fighting a pokemon. IV's work in a similar way being scaled with the pokemon's level. When combined with natures and items, you're messin with some scary stuff then.

I feel for all the Magikarps that were culled for their EV powers, but I'm kind of glad we know their use. If destroying large numbers of Pokemon were needed to gain EV points in droves, why not have a place where they could all surround and your Pokemon could channel his inner Miyamoto Musashi and just take dozens of them down at once to mega-grind your ev powers. I've heard of hordes but I don't know how many Pokemon can be expected to show up in a horde.

 

[Distorted]

I feel for all the Magikarps that were culled for their EV powers, but I'm kind of glad we now their use. If destroying large numbers of Pokemon were needed to gain EV points in droves, why not have a place where they could all surround and your Pokemon could channel his inner Miyamoto Musashi and just take dozens of them down at once to mega-grind your ev powers.

The closest thing we have to that right now are horde battles. Actually 5 pokemon seems plenty enough to train off of at a time. I can't imagine running into more of them. A horde of Floatzel can wipe you out if you're not prepared. I think they were all around lv 27 which freaked me out a bit.

 

[DarrylWolf]

The closest thing we have to that right now are horde battles. Actually 5 pokemon seems plenty enough to train off of at a time. I can't imagine running into more of them. A horde of Floatzel can wipe you out if you're not prepared. I think they were all around lv 27 which freaked me out a bit.

Of course, we need hordes of very weak Pokemon- like Level 5- so we can mass-murder them for the EV Points. And after years of fighting monsters, we'll become the monsters.

 

[Teal]

I remember in Gen One they would often say "Player is about to use X" and some unscrupulous ones decided to switch nametags to gain type mismatches or use gobbledygook to keep their opponents guessing.

That only happened for NPCs.

I also reverted my own Pokemon's names to the original ones when I found that Nintendo rooted out the "Trainer is about to use" Cheat

Cheat?!
It never fucking existed.

No, I remember reading in a Nintendo Power about competitive battlers who would name one Pokemon after the other to fool people, next to the woman who named her Butterfree "Margarine" because it was butter-free. I thought to myself that it would be a devious strategy.

Yeah, I'm sure that's why they did it. Who where they battling, children?

I've made a lot of bad choices in my life... but the choice I regret the most is not picking the yellow bike.

I just laughed my ass off.

 

[Toshabi]

No, I remember reading in a Nintendo Power about competitive battlers who would name one Pokemon after the other to fool people, next to the woman who named her Butterfree "Margarine" because it was butter-free. I thought to myself that it would be a devious strategy. Pokemon has come a long way from 1998 when that simple triangular relationship illustrated in the enclosed instruction book, alongside the type effectiveness chart (those would come in handy and still do) was what we had to go on.

I had no illusions that it would ever get this grand and complex but knowing your types is something basic that would help any competitor out. I think the time I realized the importance of type was in 2001 when Sudowoodo was unveiled.

For people who used the appearance or color of a Pokemon to tell its type, this showed us not to do that.

Link me the article. Do it. Make my day. PLEASE make my day. My boner cannot get any bigger.



Of course, if you can't, you'll forever be regarded as "Ill-informed" in the holy book of Toshabi. Those whose names fall victim to thy mighty record in such a manner shall be damned to an eternity to Dragoneer's bad dragon closet.

 

[Stratelier]

Because of this scale, battles at lv 100 are rather different because the full potential of a trained pokemon comes out.

Not true -- EVERY factor that goes into the calculation of a Pokemon's stats (except for an absolute minimum 10 HP and 5 points per stat) is scaled by level, so the actual end result is more or less the same regardless of what said level actually is. E.g. if at Lv.50 your untrained Pokemon has an Attack stat of 150, full EV training gives it +31 points (or about +20%). At Lv.100 the same Pokemon would have an untrained Attack stat of 300 and full EV training is worth +63 points (also a +20% increase).

In fact, the entire battle plays out more or less the same regardless of whether it's a Lv.50 or Lv.100 battle. Heck, even if it was a Lv.10 battle it'd still play out about the same.

 

[CaptainCool]

Not true -- EVERY factor that goes into the calculation of a Pokemon's stats (except for an absolute minimum 10 HP and 5 points per stat) is scaled by level, so the actual end result is more or less the same regardless of what said level actually is. E.g. if at Lv.50 your untrained Pokemon has an Attack stat of 150, full EV training gives it +31 points (or about +20%). At Lv.100 the same Pokemon would have an untrained Attack stat of 300 and full EV training is worth +63 points (also a +20% increase).

In fact, the entire battle plays out more or less the same regardless of whether it's a Lv.50 or Lv.100 battle. Heck, even if it was a Lv.10 battle it'd still play out about the same.

Yeah, the level of a Pokemon is really just important in singleplayer.
All you really have to worry about is getting to level 50 because online the level is scaled down to 50 but not up.

Oh and nicknames actually do throw me off a lot. If you change a Pokemon's name and I don't know what Pokemon it was to begin with I can't look them up online to check their weaknesses ;__;

 

[BRN]

Aye, as Strata said. The most important number, 'damage', is almost entirely worked out using only ratios and multipliers. Because of this, the only thing that matters is whether or not there is consistent scaling per level. The absolute/true value of EVs and IVs isn't important because EVs and IVs manifest as 'boost per level', not 'boost'.

Capping pokemon at level 50 is merely a choice of convenience; most Pokémon are 'ready' by level 50, in that they'll be fully evolved and have completed movesets, and the HP stat is still high enough to allow for a high granularity of damage. It also makes sure that players put a decent, but not inconvenient, amount of time into training and preparing their Pokémon.

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[CaptainCool]

Yeah, it's a lot more convenient than leveling them up to level 100 just for the sake of having them all on the same level XD 50 really does make the most sense.
If you want a move from a higher level you can always just continue training the Pokemon.

 

[Misomie]

Wow, the steel Elite Four member is pretty smart. Rather than try to take out my Dedenne he used spikes. Then rather than heal his almost-dead Klefki, he spiked again. I'm pretty sure Klefki was in the healing range. Too bad for him my I just volt switched to Charizard. ^^; Good try though.

I don't know why, but I just like this guy so I always fight him last (because what he says when you fight him first is kinda sad). :3

Malva though can freaking die. D:<

 

[SirRob]

Man, Wikstrom's team totally could have been more knight-themed. Bisharp, Escavalier... ...Cobalion...

 

[Misomie]

I really wish the Elite Four had full teams. That'd be so awesome~

Oh man, if they had minor legendaries... That'd be so sweet~!

 

[Distorted]

Not true -- EVERY factor that goes into the calculation of a Pokemon's stats (except for an absolute minimum 10 HP and 5 points per stat) is scaled by level, so the actual end result is more or less the same regardless of what said level actually is. E.g. if at Lv.50 your untrained Pokemon has an Attack stat of 150, full EV training gives it +31 points (or about +20%). At Lv.100 the same Pokemon would have an untrained Attack stat of 300 and full EV training is worth +63 points (also a +20% increase).

In fact, the entire battle plays out more or less the same regardless of whether it's a Lv.50 or Lv.100 battle. Heck, even if it was a Lv.10 battle it'd still play out about the same.

Thank you for clarifying on that. What you said was true. It's just that the last lv 100 fight I had (which was a while back I have to admit) felt very exaggerated as I was fighting a Snorlax I could not beat. But 500 hp will make anything difficult honestly.

 

[DarrylWolf]

Wow, the steel Elite Four member is pretty smart. Rather than try to take out my Dedenne he used spikes. Then rather than heal his almost-dead Klefki, he spiked again. I'm pretty sure Klefki was in the healing range. Too bad for him my I just volt switched to Charizard. ^^; Good try though.

I don't know why, but I just like this guy so I always fight him last (because what he says when you fight him first is kinda sad). :3

Malva though can freaking die. D:<

You're actually using strategy to beat the Elite Four- in the past, it was not too hard to just grind past their levels and use as many Revives and Full Restores to win wars of attrition against the Elite Four and Champion. But now, you say they actually use strategies that make winning against them something to take pride in. Thanks for the heads up! I wouldn't think that they level up commensurate to every challenger so you could still keep grinding to 15 levels higher than them and beat them that way.

 

[Distorted]

They're a lot better than they used to be. I hated Karen's Umbreon from Johto. Y'know the one that used moonlight and double team the whole time? Or Drake and his dancing dragons of doom. So much hate back then.

 

[BRN]

They're a lot better than they used to be. I hated Karen's Umbreon from Johto. Y'know the one that used moonlight and double team the whole time? Or Drake and his dancing dragons of doom. So much hate back then.

Kage's

fucking

Muk.

 

[Misomie]

The Elite Four has never bugged me until I nuzlocked. I now hate Lance and his stupid triple Dragonite threat. D:<

I made a stupid mistake that resulted in his Aerodactyl OHKOing my Dragon-slaying Gyrados. Then of course I lost three other team mates trying to take down those monsters. Screw you Dragonite! D:<

To this day I make sure to always have a dragon-slayer on the team.

Edit: Have you guys seen a shiny mega Gengar yet?

I NEED THIS! I shall release all my Chespin and make room to begin breeding this gorgeous demon.

 

[Toshabi]

Whitney's Miltank is hands down the hardest fight in pokemon history.

 

[Icky]

The Elite Four has never bugged me until I nuzlocked. I now hate Lance and his stupid triple Dragonite threat. D:<

I made a stupid mistake that resulted in his Aerodactyl OHKOing my Dragon-slaying Gyrados. Then of course I lost three other team mates trying to take down those monsters. Screw you Dragonite! D:<

To this day I make sure to always have a dragon-slayer on the team.

Edit: Have you guys seen a shiny mega Gengar yet?

I NEED THIS! I shall release all my Chespin and make room to begin breeding this gorgeous demon.

You should get some Proactiv for that zit on his forehead, though.

 

[Teal]

Shiny Mega Gengar is beautiful.

 

[Distorted]

More like terrifying. The stuff of nightmares.

 

[Misomie]

You should get some Proactiv for that zit on his forehead, though.

True, that's the only thing that bugs me about him. The eyes would have been cooler if they were blue or red, but I still really like him. :3

However, a true fighter does not simply let facial blemishes come between him and victory.

 

[Teal]

True, that's the only thing that bugs me about him. The eyes would have been cooler if they were blue or red, but I still really like him. :3

However, a true fighter does not simply let facial blemishes come between him and victory.

I don't like the forehead thing either.

 

[Rilvor]

Whitney's Miltank is hands down the hardest fight in pokemon history.

What, you didn't have a Geodude?

 

[Distorted]

What, you didn't have a Geodude?

A female Geodude to be specific.