Pleeeease come back! I'm sooooo sorry! (And the subject needs to be changed, anyway.)
things you just dont understand
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Pleeeease come back! I'm sooooo sorry! (And the subject needs to be changed, anyway.)
Fallowfox
Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
No scientific body claims that the Earth 'won't survive' anthropogenic global warming, but there is a real possibility that rapid changes to climate and ocean chemistry will be deleterious for lots of species in the short term, because they will no longer be well-adapted to their environments. We can expect coral reefs to die off in greater numbers, for example, because they can only tolerate a small range of temperatures and ocean acidity. Atmospheric CO2 controls both.
Extinctions in the fossil record are usually associated with rapid climate changes, so we should be cautious about changing our climate and planetary chemistry. Indeed, periods of High CO2 in the past did cause huge amounts of coral death, in the Cretaceous.
Unfortunately, since a lot of human industries produce carbon dioxide, this has become a very politicised topic. Nobody wants to be told to fundamentally change or scale back their industries.
Humans already control the Nitrogen cycle, and we fix more nitrogen than the entire natural world does, by way of the Haber process. We should acknowledge that we have the power to change our planet's chemical cycles.
It's not arrogance; it's responsibility.
Rassah
Well-Known Member
I wasn't gonna mention it, but Roose's links were specifically about a reply to the study found in your post. You gave the original thing that his article was rebutting as a "new" rebuttal
Also, I love how you're all debating this thing as if it were a popularity contest of a democracy.
Fallowfox
Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
It's universally recognised that the best solution would be to stop exacerbating the problem, but there is concern that these pleas will be ignored.
If deleterious climate change does result, then geo-engineering solutions may end up being a necessary recourse.
Geo engineering solutions won't be cheap though, and they would have to be on a similar scale to the huge fossil fuel industry that we're already geoengineering our planet with.
For example, it would be necessary to grind up something like 40 gigatonnes of limestone each year and dump them in the oceans, in order to save the world's coral from dissolution.
Rassah
Well-Known Member
That's still patching the problem. The underlying cause is all the fossil fuel burning, especially by driving vehicles, right? Why not stop subsidizing that, stop subsidizing the cost of gas, stop making roads free, and make public transportation a much cheaper and useful option?
Fallowfox
Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
Vehicles aren't the main source, but yes, encouraging people to walk and cycle would be good for all kinds of reasons. I'm not sure what the best means to do that are, though.
Unfortunately the fossil fuel lobby is still quite powerful...
Rassah
Well-Known Member
How about no free roads? (which are blamed on why public transportation in US died)
Batty Krueger
DJ Nailbunny
Shrimp treadmills, are scientists really that bored. Go cure cancer fuckbags!
Yes, but wouldn't the basic underlying cause be humanity, itself? Do we really want to go there?
Public transportation sucks... been there, done that, still can taste the vomit.
Because it had nothing to do with a balanced low population density across a massive nation, the American culture of self-reliance, the focus of the locomotive industry on goods transport, the focus of car manufacturers on destroying public transit culture and even pedestrian culture after the second World War, the sprawl of urban centers, and modern public view of public transportation.
Fallowfox
Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
I don't know. I suspect that you have an ulterior reason for recommending this.
Fallowfox
Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
First you stated that climate change exists, but that human influences were a media invention.
After being corrected, you changed your mind and suggested that there is an oppressive consesus that is preventing the scientists who don't think humans are involved from speaking out, and they're the one's who are right.
Then it was claiming that it was arrogant to believe that human actions could terraform the planet.
...and now you're suggesting that if you do recognise human actions represent a strain on natural resources and are changing atmospheric and ocean chemistry then you're probably supportive of genocide...because a single scientist has some crazy views.
This is an incoherent mess of evasive arguments that have little or nothing to do with trying to understand climatology. :\
Havokpaintedwolf
Member
I just seriously don't get inflation/bloating by overeating I really just don't...
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Deleted member 82554
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I don't understand why so many in this culture pretend to be your friend, use you for roleplay purposes then ditch you when you don't put out... What's the deal?
Sylox
boi...chill out!
You know why *nobody* takes public transit in the US? Its because it has always been associated with the "undesirables" and nobody wants to be around them. I mean its a common fact that they'll hop on the Metro and come to your house and steal your TV!!! That's been the prevailing argument for so many years, especially when they can't use the it costs soooooo much argument. Don't believe me, go read about the history of Atlanta's subway system or the ratchet one they have up in Baltimore. It wasn't the cost that's holding them back (in the case of MARTA) its scaremongering, often taking racial undertones.
If you replace roleplay with sex, you accurately describe society in general.
If you replace roleplay with sex, you accurately describe society in general.
Batty Krueger
DJ Nailbunny
Monkey tits, they so saggy wtf
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Deleted member 82554
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You have cock on the mind way to much dude, you need help.
Rassah
Well-Known Member
That's pretty much the end result of it all. Public transportation in other countries is frigin' awesome! Clean, convenient, cheap, and doesn't pollute nearly as much. Here in US after all the free roads, highways, and cheap gas, public transportation just deteriorated into crap. Expensive overpriced crap.
Nope. Just saying that subsidizing roads and gas leads to more people diving and causing more pollution, whereas if roads were toll and gas was at its normal price, people would find public transportation, ride sharing, and taxis/ubers cheaper and more convenient.
Augmented Husky
Mind currently uploaded
I second this. Just a week ago I was in New York and my parents decided to use the metro subway
HUGE MISTAKE
Utterly dingy, terrible staff, and walls and floor that haven't been replaced in decades
UGH !!!
And thus why we took Uber which was an infinitely better choice.
But to answer the thread: The fact that society is so Darn fixated on sex in general.... I mean isn't there FAR more to the relationship than that to hollywood directors ? This is also amplified by the fact that I'm asexual.
Sylox
boi...chill out!
No I don't.
My wheelchair-bound relative found it frigin' awesome riding German, Polish, Belorussian, and Russian subways and trains. Enjoyed every minute of convenience boarding those things. He obviously dreaded returning to New York's improving accessibility.
He also really benefited from the rail cost in Berlin. A one-way rail ticket across Berlin cost him $2.95 U.S. compared to the crazy $2.75 U.S. it cost him on the New York Subway. He really enjoyed the amount of pocket-change he didn't have to deal with that day, and he was glad that the card could only be thrown away, as you had to keep the NY one in case you wanted to use it again.
He was also proud of the restroom situation in Berlin rail stations. None of those pesky and disgusting public toilets as far as he could find.
Also in Berlin, he enjoyed the graffiti on passenger trains. It reminded him of back in New York when he only really saw graffiti on trains meant to be used by artists. He thought it was thoughtful of the German government to allow aspiring artists to use their trains for practice.
In addition to that, he was glad he didn't have to deal with things like the MUNY program, the Percent for Art programs, the use of lights to notify users when the station booth is available, and many other things that he just saw as frivolous.
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Deleted member 82554
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You're yiff says differently. :V