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Tips to help me improve and get commissioned

Ryxinel

New Member
Greetings,

I don't know where exactly to post this and apologies if it's the wrong forum, but I'm wondering why, despite thousands of views on some of my images and (imo) passable drawing skill, I have yet to get a person to commission me. I would really like to make some money off of my drawings but it seems I'm doing something wrong. I would appreciate it if you guys could tell me what I'm doing wrong and what I need to improve to be able to turn my hobby into a small business.

My gallery: https://www.furaffinity.net/user/ryxinel/
 

Ryxinel

New Member
29 submissions in 5 years?
It's completely minuscule. You have to draw like a madman.
I suspected this might be part of the issue. However, is it not better to have fewer artworks of greater quality than more artworks of a lower one? I feel like if I churned them out like you say, it would make the gallery look even more amateurish.
 
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Deleted member 106754

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Hey, just some general things that could assist you and these are mostly from a watcher standpoint as I'm not an artist myself(which I guess is equally as important since you're looking for business). I've seen some similar threads on here but I don't think I've responded because I don't want to step on any toes but your situation can be applied to many!

First and foremost you appear pretty decent at drawing so you got a solid foundation to work on and expand upon if your intention is to do some business, but of course as Eyleifr mentioned is that 29 Submissions over the span of 5 years is not a lot(Maybe average half a submission a month). On a site like FA you get the most exposure as a smaller account the moment you post something, and if you don't have a lot of traffic/users visiting your page, that's it. Start off just posting a bit more and frequently as it will help you not only expand your gallery, but to get some clicks and eventually followers.

Another thing I really want to mention is that even though it's a bit of a rabbit hole you might get stuck in if you just want to be a general artist drawing your own thing... A good deal of bigger artists on something like FA started off or at least dabbled in some kind of Fanart. Drawing fan art of various already existing characters from movies and series is a great way to expand your watcher list, and if you tag things appropriately they are a lot more likely to get you a few watchers over time(more on that below). I myself is someone who mainly use FA for one type of art in particular, and some artists I wouldn't have watched if it weren't for them drawing at least some art occasionally that were of interest to me as a watcher. A lot of watchers want artists to draw their OC's or 'sonas, many of which may be based off these movies and series.

On your profile page, add some large text in the middle of the top page, maybe even in color that you are OPEN for commissions and then have a link under or next to it to some examples you think look the nicest c:. Even though there's a commission tab on your profile page, an underutilized or plain profile page doesn't help an artist like yourself to get watchers or commissioners, fancy your page up a bit!

Even though I can see you tag your artwork, it really helps adding that little extra to a description too so the one who clicked on the image get a small read if they like that stuff. Tags and title is especially what people will find your artwork from if they happen to search for specific art, if you miss out on some important ones I can promise you your picture has very low to no chance to get bumped into later, even more so if not many users favorite it. If you spent an hour or two on a picture that you upload, give it 5 minutes of love when you upload it as well in form of Description, title, tags.

Upload your stuff when the site is as busiest(usually around afternoon/evening times EDT), even though it might not be fully accurate I do believe the majority of people using this site are active around U.S afternoon/evening time, post your stuff then.

Lowball your prices when you start off, don't do the whole "CHARGE WHAT YOU'RE WORTH GIRL/BOIii!" as some bigger/successful artists say, as much as it's true and is fair, no one will go to a smaller artist either just starting off, with a small gallery, or hard to see previous customers with a chunk of their money if they don't ABSOLUTELY love the style you draw or that they know you in person. Someone like myself that sometimes is forced to hold onto my money quite tightly I may just make a gamble on a new or smaller artist if their prices are low. I don't want to say you're worth less or that your time isn't worth as much as someone else's but over charging and then seeing artists wondering or hoping for business that is stale or not appearing for them is a repetitive theme. As business pick up and you get customers, slowly increase your prices. If I have an artist that can draw similarly, draw more often, have more prominent and established commission business, is open and ALSO provide cheaper prices, it's a dead race before it even started and I'd go there straight away. If there's money on the line this is what you need to keep in mind c:

Maybe do a few giveaways, and don't be afraid to dabble in some YCH later on or just ask if a few users would want a free image like "Insert X image you drew here". Though I'd highly recommend just drawing and posting a few pictures so you have some more followers c:

If it's not the art itself, users also love a nice and interesting personality. Some artists can get very far on just standing out a bit whether it's sociable, bubbly, kind, funny, you get the idea. It doesn't hurt to talk to your audience once in a while and maybe share something you're up to or ask them what they are up to. I know some artists are just that good that they can put up a wall and not talk to anyone, or even come off a bit brash or like an ass and still get business, but I figured I'd at least point it out.

- Draw more and post more often
- Draw fanart of various kinds
- Make it VERY CLEAR that you are open for comms and make your profile page nice
- Tag your stuff, add a nice description
- Price your comms low when you start off

These are just a few things you can keep in mind that I am absolutely positive will help you grow your audience. In the end its the art itself that speaks the loudest, so focus on improving and getting better at producing quality art that appeals to people. Show that you got the good stuff, expand and post more often and get the small pebbles rolling first. Also, I felt the need to edit this in, but on a site like FA it's important to mention that NSFW sells, if you don't mind or even enjoy drawing it that is easily the best way to make money but depending on the kind of artist you are you might want to focus more on SFW art, which will without a doubt, be harder to gain traction and business with.

(Also to anyone else reading this, feel free to rip/copy/steal this post, I think it could help a lot of people starting off)
 
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Deleted member 160111

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However, is it not better to have fewer artworks of greater quality than more artworks of a lower one?
I'm sorry, but the works in your skill as a whole is a little lower than the average in the ward. Out of 29 works, I see at least 5 sketches, and not of the best quality, and 3 works that can be called high-quality (adjusted for your skill). I don't want to offend you, but if your skill is not high, you should take the quantity. If you think your skill is high, think again.
Quantity does not give carte blanche for poor quality. I don't urge you to fill the gallery with sketches, I urge you to spend every free hour improving your skills. And give out a lot of COMPLETED works.

There are a lot of artists on the FA who draw better than you. And having maybe a hundred submissions. You don't think you deserve a commission more than they do, do you?
You may need a year during which you will publish 2 high-quality art a week to gain an audience. But even so, it may still not be enough to get your first commission.
Draw like crazy to get better.
 

Ryxinel

New Member
If you think your skill is high, think again.
I never said it was high, but I believed it is at least passable for the price I set. I might have to rethink that I guess.
You don't think you deserve a commission more than they do, do you?
I have yet to see someone making a really good art piece, and only charging 10 bucks for it. I would think I have a reasonable price based on my level of skill. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't really follow a lot of artists but I've seen that the really good ones charge 100$+ for a piece, even with just one close-up character.
Hey, just some general things that could assist you and these are mostly from a watcher standpoint as I'm not an artist myself(which I guess is equally as important since you're looking for business).
Many thanks! most of the things you outline seem very reasonable, the only thing I fear is lowballing my prices since I feel like I'm going to attract a very greedy audience that will just disappear once I try to raise my prices.
 
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Deleted member 160111

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Maybe I'm wrong. I don't really follow a lot of artists but I've seen that the really good ones charge 100$+ for a piece, even with just one close-up character.
Yes, these artists can raise their prices as much as they want, and among 3 thousand+ observers there will be someone who will buy one character for $ 500. They can do it, you can't. Try to be objective.
- Quality of work
- Number of works
Good luck.
 

jxne

Funky Creature
I don't have much money myself and always look for artist with low prices and i can tell you that i've seen many artists that charge the same or even less for artwork that is just of amazing quality. I wouldn't be afraid to set your prices extremely low just to see if anyone at all would be willing to commission you. Like eylefir said you need more examples and drawing something at all is better than nothing.
 
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Deleted member 106754

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I never said it was high, but I believed it is at least passable for the price I set. I might have to rethink that I guess.

I have yet to see someone making a really good art piece, and only charging 10 bucks for it. I would think I have a reasonable price based on my level of skill. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't really follow a lot of artists but I've seen that the really good ones charge 100$+ for a piece, even with just one close-up character.

Many thanks! most of the things you outline seem very reasonable, the only thing I fear is lowballing my prices since I feel like I'm going to attract a very greedy audience that will just disappear once I try to raise my prices.
This is absolutely a possibility, but if anything some of them even if they leave later will be able to help you grow your gallery and possibly get some sort of money in and worth. Who knows, even if let's say 20 people leave, if you get 1 out of those 20 that stays you've still gone the right direction. If you're an artist with less than 50 active watchers or whatever else two digit number, how many of these xx amount of watchers have the money you ask, and are willing to spend it, and would go to you instead of other artists when wanting an image. If you place yourself in a box and step outside and looking in, everything will make a lot of sense.

In the end you're the one that sets the prices, but as an artist you will never be the one who decides whether the price is the right one from a sale or watcher perspective, the ones buying it will however. Think it more as customers "willing to pay" for your creations rather than greedy audience, 10 bucks, 50 bucks, 100 bucks, not worth the same but it's still money that needs to come from someone's pocket.

For perspective:
I'm an average watcher and I don't mind spending a bit of money and even giving a tip to an artist that gave me a pleasant experience, my most expensive comms I've gotten range from around 200-260 Euros (An animation and a big sticker pack). Most of the image commissions I get range between 30-70 Euros. Most of the art I enjoy, and a good chunk of artists that I follow also provide art around there. By logic I could be considered a greedy watcher as I gladly take up on a good deal if I see it, but also when I have the money I spend it on artists I do think can pull off what I seek. I think you might just be stuck on a certain mindset and putting your expectations a bit high.

There are people out there with lots of money, and willing to spend it and do it often, and there's also artists that I'd consider charging close to insane prices, but these are not your average watchers, nor your average artists.

It is completely reasonable if you don't want to lower your prices too much as there are reasons wanting to keep up an image of quality and not wanting to overwork or pulling in the wrong crowd since your final goals may differ a lot from it, but I guess it's important to know most people need to start off somewhere and you will have a hard time, probably is experiencing a hard time due to the price you expect, not what the customer expects if I make any sense to you.
 

Ryxinel

New Member
I don't have much money myself and always look for artist with low prices and i can tell you that i've seen many artists that charge the same or even less for artwork that is just of amazing quality. I wouldn't be afraid to set your prices extremely low just to see if anyone at all would be willing to commission you. Like eylefir said you need more examples and drawing something at all is better than nothing.
I always imagined furries to be wealthy, with their fursuits and whatnot. So I assumed my prices wouldn't be a big deal.
 
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Deleted member 160111

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I always imagined furries to be wealthy, with their fursuits and whatnot. So I assumed my prices wouldn't be a big deal.
These rich people have physical needs that need to be satisfied. Food, an apartment bill after all. Fur suits are fabulously expensive, very few are really willing to buy them.
Take very expensive from those who treat you arrogantly and disrespectfully.
Be loyal to a good furs with a small income.
Just learn to see them as people with their own problems, and not a purse on legs. Such judgments are disrespectful.
 

Ryxinel

New Member
very few are really willing to buy them.
Yet you see furry conventions filled with fursuiters.
Just learn to see them as people with their own problems, and not a purse on legs. Such judgments are disrespectful.
I'm just saying why I made these pricing decisions. I'm aware that there's a human element in all of this, I simply thought it was fair.
It is completely reasonable if you don't want to lower your prices too much as there are reasons wanting to keep up an image of quality and not wanting to overwork or pulling in the wrong crowd since your final goals may differ a lot from it, but I guess it's important to know most people need to start off somewhere and you will have a hard time, probably is experiencing a hard time due to the price you expect, not what the customer expects if I make any sense to you.
You do absolutely. Very insightful stuff, thanks.
 

TheCynicalViet

Well-Known Member
If you want to improve in terms of drawing then I would suggest to continue practicing and challenging yourself. Try to make your next drawings better than the last or improve on a certain factor better than the last. Experiment around.

As for commissions, you gotta learn marketing and business for that one.
 

Connor J. Coyote

Well-Known Member
Greetings,

I don't know where exactly to post this and apologies if it's the wrong forum, but I'm wondering why, despite thousands of views on some of my images and (imo) passable drawing skill, I have yet to get a person to commission me. I would really like to make some money off of my drawings but it seems I'm doing something wrong. I would appreciate it if you guys could tell me what I'm doing wrong and what I need to improve to be able to turn my hobby into a small business.

My gallery: https://www.furaffinity.net/user/ryxinel/
Well, it looks like your profile (based on the link you gave above) isn't really active lately; and so - that could be your first issue for starters...... as you should probably have some updated submissions that people can see that's more recent than a year ago.

Secondly....... I looked at your prices for the flat colored option....... (and to be brutually honest with you) as a commissioner I honeslty wouldn't pay the price your asking for, based on the work I'm seeing. I'd pay about half that, based on the quality of the drawings you can do, okay? (I'm not saying this to be flippant, or for you to accept less than what you're worth) - I'm just being honest.

That said, if you practice more and have more recent examples to put up there *that look better* than what's currently up there now then..... *perhaps* the prices you're asking for are worth it now..... who knows.

I can't really gauge that because nothing's recent....okay? The prices you have listed for a sketch though *are good* and fair.

And on places like FA - simply posting things publicly can get people to see your stuff sometimes, and that may provide you with a few leads eventually also - as far as getting new customers go.
 

TyraWadman

The Brutally Honest Man-Child
Another thing that most people forget to ask themselves is "what separates me from the rest?". Is it style? Personality? Technique? Affordability? Are you fast? Is it silly/memorable in some way?

If you can't answer any of these, you likely don't have anything that people can't already get from other artists. Competition is rough!
 
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