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Move to Deviant Art?


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Haters Gonna Hate
DA has sort of become a virus ridden cesspool. Everytime I got there I have problems.

Besides that's where the weird af sonic fandom lives
 

Simo

Professional Watermelon Farmer
You have to include spaces between each keyword and keyword negation

Ah, just noted that!

DA has sort of become a virus ridden cesspool. Everytime I got there I have problems.

Besides that's where the weird af sonic fandom lives

I know! There's even Sonic the Edgehog there! But it's funny; I had no idea the Sonic fandom thing was so big, really.

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Rant

Haters Gonna Hate
Ah, just noted that!



I know! There's even Sonic the Edgehog there! But it's funny; I had no idea the Sonic fandom thing was so big, really.

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Just wait til you get to the weird crossover shit. At some point the fandom said to hell with it and try to out do each other with weird, sick shit.
 

ChapterAquila92

Resident Bronze Dragon Kasrkin
Banned
There's even Sonic the Edgehog there! But it's funny; I had no idea the Sonic fandom thing was so big, really.
LOL I remember building up a transformation keyword search that took up about seven lines when copypasted into Word. Sonic, MLP, several other invasive fandoms, and a number of fetishes were among the negations.
 
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lupi900

Guest
LOL, Isn't that the site where its full of kids that lash out at anyone who remotly dencent at art?. I used there forum's even that full of immture morons that can't have disscutions without lashing with insults, like getting called a neckbeard for calling out attacking me.

FA is the only furry site i know of were there allot of non-fur artists that like FA over DA.
 

Melazzee

Advance!
dA is kind of dying. I've been on there for 12 years, and I find it a tricky site to use now in terms of watchers, and the front page is usually pretty terrifying. If you want quality stuff, you should check out Artstation. That site makes me cry with the awesomeness D:
 

DarkoKavinsky

ʎʇʇɐq ʇıq ɐ
The major issue i have with DA is the simple fact under their terms and agreements they get all copyright on the artwork and bla bla. Which might not sound bad until you realize this, you post it, you lose it. I read the terms and conditions and FA doesn't have that. The works belong to the artist here. You're not producing art for free for yourself you're producing art for free FOR DEVIANT ART to do with as it pleases. It it states so that it can use to for what ever they want and they 'can' give you a monetary kick back... if they 'feel' like it. Basically NOPE thanks for your piece. I don wonder how many of those infamous stolen Deviantart things you see in china were actually just bought from Deviantart? There's some sketchy stuff abotu deviantart and it seems like a massive uphill battle. Even more so than here.

To some this isn't an issue, but to a few of us this is kind of a bit.... hmm dicky in our opinion.
 

quoting_mungo

Well-Known Member
The major issue i have with DA is the simple fact under their terms and agreements they get all copyright on the artwork and bla bla.
I have no idea how this... I will call it an urban myth, because I can't think of a more suiting term for it, has survived this long.

Terms of Service | DeviantArt
DeviantArt Terms of Service said:
4. Copyright

DeviantArt is, unless otherwise stated, the owner of all copyright and data rights in the Service and its contents. Individuals who have posted works to DeviantArt are either the copyright owners of the component parts of that work or are posting the work under license from a copyright owner or his or her agent or otherwise as permitted by law. You may not reproduce, distribute, publicly display or perform, or prepare derivative works based on any of the Content including any such works without the express, written consent of DeviantArt or the appropriate owner of copyright in such works. DeviantArt does not claim ownership rights in your works or other materials posted by you to DeviantArt (Your Content). You agree not to distribute any part of the Service other than Your Content in any medium other than as permitted in these Terms of Service or by use of functions on the Service provided by us. You agree not to alter or modify any part of the Service unless expressly permitted to do so by us or by use of functions on the Service provided by us.
It explicitly states, twice, that dA does not claim copyright of submitted materials. I don't know how much more clear you can get?
 

ChapterAquila92

Resident Bronze Dragon Kasrkin
Banned
I have no idea how this... I will call it an urban myth, because I can't think of a more suiting term for it, has survived this long.

Terms of Service | DeviantArt

It explicitly states, twice, that dA does not claim copyright of submitted materials. I don't know how much more clear you can get?
I'm not surprised quite a few people got up in arms over it. To date, I've rarely seen users actually make sense of a site's terms of service instead of erroneously dismissing it as loosely-interpreted legalese only made to placate law firms.
 

ChapterAquila92

Resident Bronze Dragon Kasrkin
Banned
Here's a wonderful playlist to answer just that .u.
Ah, Mister Metokur's Deviants series. To be honest, I've found it more to be a critique of popular fetishes and fandoms on DA, the average quality of content dedicated to them, and sometimes the hilarious shitstorms that follow from some of the crazier or more passive-aggressive fanatics. Diaper Jihad is particularly noteworthy given that the people involved in the drama are also active on other sites including FA.
 

sharprealmcomics

https://www.furaffinity.net/user/sharprealmcomics/
i hate da art i was banned 2 times for no reason after the last time i gave up. after all the site is run by 13 year old jerks with way to mutch power! i mean might be tougher geting noticed on FA but DA art is kinda the same way
 

dogryme6

Duality Fluff Dragon
I have no idea how this... I will call it an urban myth, because I can't think of a more suiting term for it, has survived this long.

Terms of Service | DeviantArt

It explicitly states, twice, that dA does not claim copyright of submitted materials. I don't know how much more clear you can get?
I feel like I agree with this.
Here's a wonderful playlist to answer just that .u.
Heh, well well. If it isn't my favorite episode of that series...
Ah, Mister Metokur's Deviants series. To be honest, I've found it more to be a critique of popular fetishes and fandoms on DA, the average quality of content dedicated to them, and sometimes the hilarious shitstorms that follow from some of the crazier or more passive-aggressive fanatics. Diaper Jihad is particularly noteworthy given that the people involved in the drama are also active on other sites including FA.
My goodness. So, shitstorms happened around and because of it? I'm not surprised. It's kind of hard for me to say if people don't like it they should just sod off, because honestly there's some stuff I would love to lash out on myself, so it'd be hypocritical of me to flip off the people who would hate on my stuff. Honestly, it's a war of attrition kinda deal. And I... Don't have much resistance to it. Chances are I'd get blown down pretty easy if a gang of hostiles just swarmed in.
i hate da art i was banned 2 times for no reason after the last time i gave up. after all the site is run by 13 year old jerks with way to mutch power! i mean might be tougher geting noticed on FA but DA art is kinda the same way
That's also a bit scary. I have no idea if any of that's true, seems like art sites these days have a lot of biased moderators that just wanna shut certain kinds of people down for no real reason. But somehow I've never been judged that way by those irresponsible with power. I guess I have just enough charisma to not draw in hostiles. Or I'm still just small fry enough that I'm not worth going after, or something.
 

ChapterAquila92

Resident Bronze Dragon Kasrkin
Banned
My goodness. So, shitstorms happened around and because of it? I'm not surprised. It's kind of hard for me to say if people don't like it they should just sod off, because honestly there's some stuff I would love to lash out on myself, so it'd be hypocritical of me to flip off the people who would hate on my stuff. Honestly, it's a war of attrition kinda deal. And I... Don't have much resistance to it. Chances are I'd get blown down pretty easy if a gang of hostiles just swarmed in.
Shitstorm is an amusingly appropriate word to describe that particular ordeal, and all because the previous video in the series had, towards its end, a very brief glimpse - no more than a few seconds - of the public profile page of a diaper enthusiast who not only thought it was a good idea to feature a kink-related photo of herself as her photo ID, but was also later discovered to have admitted openly on a publicly-accessible fetish forum that she lies about her health to her government in order to satisfy her kink for free.
 

dogryme6

Duality Fluff Dragon
Shitstorm is an amusingly appropriate word to describe that particular ordeal, and all because the previous video in the series had, towards its end, a very brief glimpse - no more than a few seconds - of the public profile page of a diaper enthusiast who not only thought it was a good idea to feature a kink-related photo of herself as her photo ID, but was also later discovered to have admitted openly on a publicly-accessible fetish forum that she lies about her health to her government in order to satisfy her kink for free.
Wow. There's a person out there that lied about their health just to indulge in their own kink, by the government? Then again it WAS a diaper enthusiast... People who get into that kind of stuff always end up going too far.
So uh, yeah. They definitely ended up stirring up a hornet's nest by admitting they did that. Although, maybe it would've been a good idea, if they NEVER did it at all. But alas, more evidence people Can't be better than they are.
 

quoting_mungo

Well-Known Member
I have no idea if any of that's true, seems like art sites these days have a lot of biased moderators that just wanna shut certain kinds of people down for no real reason.
I can't speak for specific cases, and especially not for cases on platforms other than FA, but I'll note that the pattern I've observed is that people are not generally 100% truthful about why action was taken against them. I can't say how often this is because they didn't understand their citation correctly, and how often it is deliberately misrepresenting the situation to save face, but either way, I'd give the staff the benefit of the doubt.

Look at it this way (a bit oversimplified): the sites make money when people view content (because then they're also viewing ads). Suspending people interrupts ad revenue. It's not in the site's best interest to take action against people who aren't violating rules.

On the other hand, a lot of people don't actually read the rules of a site before they start posting. That's a good way of getting yourself in trouble.
 
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Corrupt-Canine

Active Member
It's very hard to get noticed on DA anymore. Back a year or 2 ago when I joined, it was easier to get noticed and receive feedback. Now, it's like the whole site is deserted. Unless you're SUPER popular like +10,000 watchers or popular off of Youtube, you will not receive criticism, comments, or meet potential friends who may show similar interests. It's more trouble than its worth.
 

dogryme6

Duality Fluff Dragon
It's very hard to get noticed on DA anymore. Back a year or 2 ago when I joined, it was easier to get noticed and receive feedback. Now, it's like the whole site is deserted. Unless you're SUPER popular like +10,000 watchers or popular off of Youtube, you will not receive criticism, comments, or meet potential friends who may show similar interests. It's more trouble than its worth.
That still sucks.
I'm kinda curious how it got that way though.
 

Corrupt-Canine

Active Member
The whole abandonment thing started when DeviantART rebranded unnecessary stuff. The rebrand was changing the old logo, remade premium membership into core, and some time after that, they started whooping up the prices for everything. Premium subscriptions, points (purchased currency to commission artists), and withdrawing more money from commissions. Just because DA wasted money on rebrands. That was only the beginning of the exodus.

Second major thing that drove people away was the admins themselves. They became lazy. They don't/rarely address things such as art theft, harassment, as well that things that break the ToS. Funny true story, a popular news site that reviewed DA pointed out several submissions that violated DA's own ToS. A few days later, those submissions were magically taken care of. The site has shown to have a very hypocritical view on what should and shouldn't be removed. Copyrighted pictures of women being photoshopped and manipulated without author's permission is okay (even though it's technically a copyright violation). Pictures of real people uploading borderline pornography who's excuse is "artistic nudity" gets a free pass from the admins. But upload anime/hentai/furry squick and that will immediately get removed. That one was the most major drop in members.

The last driving force was the scandals. Some admins were accused of being pedophiles. There was a large amount of proof about them making different accounts to do sexual stuff with minor users. Admins were quick to go into "Delete F#%&^ing everything" mode. The other scandal being a huge influx of harassment, doxxers, art theives, scammers, and creeps.


So there you have it. The history of DA's decline.
 

ChapterAquila92

Resident Bronze Dragon Kasrkin
Banned
The whole abandonment thing started when DeviantART rebranded unnecessary stuff. The rebrand was changing the old logo, remade premium membership into core, and some time after that, they started whooping up the prices for everything. Premium subscriptions, points (purchased currency to commission artists), and withdrawing more money from commissions. Just because DA wasted money on rebrands. That was only the beginning of the exodus.
Got any conclusive proof that the rebranding is linked to the price jacking? As far as I'm aware, the raising of prices had more to do with a combined issue of costs associated with host servers and the relative lack of users willing to provide even a modicum of financial support.
Second major thing that drove people away was the admins themselves. They became lazy. They don't/rarely address things such as art theft, harassment, as well that things that break the ToS. Funny true story, a popular news site that reviewed DA pointed out several submissions that violated DA's own ToS. A few days later, those submissions were magically taken care of. The site has shown to have a very hypocritical view on what should and shouldn't be removed. Copyrighted pictures of women being photoshopped and manipulated without author's permission is okay (even though it's technically a copyright violation). Pictures of real people uploading borderline pornography who's excuse is "artistic nudity" gets a free pass from the admins. But upload anime/hentai/furry squick and that will immediately get removed. That one was the most major drop in members.
Funny thing: DA isn't the panopticon you wish it was, and its admins, being human, can't physically see nor handle everything at once. In fact, at the current upload rate on DA, they don't even have a hope in hell of being able to moderate each and every submission to the site without hiring a lot more people to assist - look no further than Elfwood's ticket-based moderator-reviewed submission system for an example of how long it takes, even for a much smaller art site that receives less traffic by comparison - which in turn would only lead to even more price jacking just to make enough money to compensate for the new staff.

In short, It's a numbers game that unfortunately leaves the admins with little choice but to rely on the voluntary good will of members, who they assume understand the TOS and know their way around the reporting system, for the vast majority of their feedback, solely because DA does not have the capacity to gate-keep with any degree of effectiveness without driving the site into the ground in a heartbeat. That's the cost of hosting a commodity service that the vast majority of its users take for granted.
The last driving force was the scandals. Some admins were accused of being pedophiles. There was a large amount of proof about them making different accounts to do sexual stuff with minor users. Admins were quick to go into "Delete F#%&^ing everything" mode. The other scandal being a huge influx of harassment, doxxers, art theives, scammers, and creeps.
Like the rebranding/price jacking matter above, I'd like to see evidence of these scandals rather than hearsay.
 
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Corrupt-Canine

Active Member
I never implied rebranding => price jacking. I said the price jacking occurred at the same time the rebranding did. Don't assume.

Youtube does more work monitoring its content better than DA is right now. Flawed, but they are doing something. Not an excuse. Not enough monitors? Hire more people, or create some type of algorithm. DA is very large, if not, the largest site for artwork existing. DA hides how much revenue it makes, but it doesn't take an economist to figure out DeviantART's income is more than 6 digits.

"In short, It's a numbers game that unfortunately leaves the admins with little choice but to rely on the voluntary good will of members, who they assume understand the TOS and know their way around the reporting system, for the vast majority of their feedback, solely because DA does not have the capacity to gate-keep with any degree of effectiveness without driving the site into the ground in a heartbeat."
There hundreds, and I mean hundreds of groups solely existing to report content and users who violate DA's terms of service. It's not often I see many of the offenders get their stuff deleted or get banned. I knew some people who were getting doxxed and harassed on DA, the admins rarely respond. Usually their tickets don't receive responses.

"I'd like to see evidence of these scandals rather than hearsay."
Yeah, except for the part when I said they deleted everything. I couldn't find the submission. Even if the submission in the form of screenshots is somewhere deep inside some folders of mine, the original post was removed. Even if the scandal was true or not, it still doesn't invalidate the other factors.


DeviantART is a sinking ship and it's not because of bad luck. It was never perfect, however, it drove off its users because of their own consequences. And I am leaving it at that.
 

quoting_mungo

Well-Known Member
I never implied rebranding => price jacking. I said the price jacking occurred at the same time the rebranding did. Don't assume.
Um, actually, you kind of did:
Just because DA wasted money on rebrands.
"Because" suggests causation. My personal belief is that the rebranding is more likely to have been an attempt to get the price jacking to go over easier, since they totes didn't increase the price of Premium, they replaced it with Core, and they are totes different things you guys! :V
That's just a feeling I have, though; I don't have concrete evidence one way or the other.
 
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