Topic Drift from TT - Exploits and Coding

[Armaetus]

I think the main problem why FA's code has been stagnant and decaying (compared to Sofurry, Inkbunny and Furocity) is due to a lack of trust of outside help. Sometimes you have to do this after careful consideration with said person, you really should not remain xenophobic and allow bit and software rot on the current codebase (This is doing towards Dragoneer and Yak especially) but at least have some work done on it before actually moving on and getting an ACTUAL NEW CODEBASE up.

You had your chance(s?) with Eevee (and even Verix?) but you simply did not go forward because noone knew Python along with a bunch of other factors, yet you now sit on an obsolete codebase yet this so-called new UI you paid someone to make is not going to cover up the faults behind the shiny new look. It might look new but in actuality it hasn't changed much at all, the same as giving a rusty looking and deteriorating Ford Model T a shiny fiberglass exterior. It looks nice but the underlying problems are not changing.

You know if the current FA code was open source, outside help CAN be a big help on fixing all these (around 35) problems Eevee has posted on his journal, atop any minor flaws and glitches he does not know of. This could save you (Dragoneer) and Yak quite a bit of time if the community can take a look at the underlying code and even help with normal programmers, white and gray hats that exist in the fandom. Think about it, seriously (But I know you're not gonna care that much, that's my guess tho I harped you on Twitter over such issues).

Get with the times and stop pussyfooting around.

 

[Accountability]

Re: Trouble Ticket Policy for Site Admins?

and getting three people I know on board to help out with coding crap and learning PHP myself so I can help reform the ticket system.

I don't know why everyone here is hellbent on doing certain things certain ways (The ONLY solution to needing a "knowledge base" is to buy a knowledge base script, the only way to fix trouble tickets is to do it ourselves) around here. There are plenty of ticketing system scripts available for free, and I have linked everyone a couple times to one of the most popular free (and open source) solutions. I set it up one night in about two hours, and that included installing the OS and setting up a VM (keep in mind that isn't even something I'm very good at, I have months of Linux experience!). It can be easily integrated into FA, and with a little work it could easily support being able to click a "report" button and automatically including a link to the reported submission or even displaying the submission right on the ticket. All of the hard work is done, all you have to do is set up permissions and ticket formats and set it to use the FA user table for authentication. You could fix the tickets system in a week instead of however long the self-coded solution takes...

 

[Pi]

Re: Trouble Ticket Policy for Site Admins?

No response, Summer?

Who are these 3 people you're going to have work on the site? Do they have any clue? You're just starting out with programming, so you aren't qualified to judge.

 

[Summercat]

Re: Trouble Ticket Policy for Site Admins?

No response, Summer?

Who are these 3 people you're going to have work on the site? Do they have any clue? You're just starting out with programming, so you aren't qualified to judge.

Two of them work for a living with PHP and site stuff, and the third is a middle-to-advanced coder who has already done some widgets for me, to assist with handling trouble tickets. All three are people I go to with coding issues and have been helping me learn PHP and Python.

 

[MandertehPander]

Re: Trouble Ticket Policy for Site Admins?

I, and 'Neer know ONE guy who could fix all your (FA's) problems. Very, Very easily.

:3c

 

[Eevee]

Re: Trouble Ticket Policy for Site Admins?

Oh, and Eevee, if you are reading this, I'm still waiting for that list I asked for, of the security vulnerabilities you found and know of on FA.

As I told you, I have to compile said list first. I think I'm about done, save for hunting down any more low-picking fruit I've missed.

 

[Armaetus]

Re: Trouble Ticket Policy for Site Admins?

I, and 'Neer know ONE guy who could fix all your (FA's) problems. Very, Very easily.

:3c

Is that who I think it is?

@Summer: Check his Livejournal, they are all on there.

 

[Eevee]

Re: Trouble Ticket Policy for Site Admins?

No, he asked me to flesh it out into an explanation of the actual attacks and how to fix them. (The first FA staff member to do so since October.)

Also I found a couple more in the meantime that I didn't bother adding to that list.

 

[Redregon]

Re: Trouble Ticket Policy for Site Admins?

... far be it from me to really say this, but i'm starting to really think that all this drama that's being stirred up is getting rather transparent.

now, if said list of vulnerabilities is given, that would help your credibility but in all fairness, if i were in Dragoneer's shoes, you'd have to work damn hard to prove yourself trustworthy given what you have done in the past. (and i'll bet he has something similar boiling through his head too... he may not be the best site admin i've ever known of but he certainly isn't an idiot.)

 

[Eevee]

Re: Trouble Ticket Policy for Site Admins?

... far be it from me to really say this, but i'm starting to really think that all this drama that's being stirred up is getting rather transparent.

What "drama" who's stirring up?

now, if said list of vulnerabilities is given

I said in October that I'd provide details if someone asked. I said last week that I'd provide details if someone asked. Someone asked. I'm providing details.

that would help your credibility but in all fairness, if i were in Dragoneer's shoes, you'd have to work damn hard to prove yourself trustworthy given what you have done in the past.

My technical credibility is in no need of your help, and I'm not terribly interested in whether FA's staff trusts me—but I don't believe it matters. These things are distractions, misdirection. I've neither asked for nor proposed anything that requires faith in the purity of my intentions.

 

[Redregon]

Re: Trouble Ticket Policy for Site Admins?

What "drama" who's stirring up?

maybe not you directly (though you do seem to be rather aggressive to some of the mods here) but certainly your friends from vivisector.

I said in October that I'd provide details if someone asked. I said last week that I'd provide details if someone asked. Someone asked. I'm providing details.

if you re-read, i wasn't asking for how the current admins handled your insistence, i'm talking about actual vulnerabilities. you say you have them, well, post a couple. show us that you're not just trying to blow smoke up our asses.

My technical credibility is in no need of your help, and I'm not terribly interested in whether FA's staff trusts me—but I don't believe it matters. These things are distractions, misdirection. I've neither asked for nor proposed anything that requires faith in the purity of my intentions.

really? well, i'm going to say it though i will bet money you'll probably laugh it off... but, here is someone that used to be admin on a site... they were removed... then they hacked it and turned it into their personal playground (to highlight the vulnerabilities, of course /sarcastic) and all in all they're also working on their own furry art site.

now, far be it from me but that's where this gets mighty dodgy. i mean, let's look at this politically... you were burned by the site and decided to make your own (which is still under development apparently... for quite some time too) now, let's look at the rest... there's inkbunny, DA and FA which are the main other sites that are well known for allowing furry stuff. given that there are a lot of users that refuse to use ink bunny because of who runs it and their rather sick interests (pedophilia) and how DA doesn't allow porn, that leaves FA. take out FA somehow (which having access to the source code of the site would allow) and what does that leave for it's users to use as an art site? oh, yeah... yours.

now, this is purely conjecture, but i don't think that it's too terribly unrealistic... and for someone that's been all about sticking it to dragoneer in the past to suddenly turn around and say that it's all for his own benefeit? sorry, no... that shit doesn't fly in my books. yeah, the site isn't perfect but it does what it needs to do.

also, let's not forget how some of your allies have in the past admitted that they somehow had some inside information that would lead to FA's collapse (talk to your friend Verix about his lovely post here on FA to that extent) and it makes it seem mighty suspicious.

but maybe you are merely interested in this for the good of the fandom... i can accept that... but your past actions make that a hard sell. basically, you've acted in a way that would lead people to have a lack of faith in you and you're asking them to just hand over the keys to the site... am i the only one that thinks this is all some song and dance? am i the only one that thinks you've got some motive you're not telling us?

 

[Arshes Nei]

Re: Trouble Ticket Policy for Site Admins?

Red,

The main reason for this is because I believe they feel like someone is listening than being put off. There is a part that feel these guys have nothing better to do than watch the site die and watch it destroyed, however, there is some people like myself that do feel that while watching a sinking ship there is some small hope for things turning out to be better. I cannot speak for them per say, it's just my observations. I know other members of the staff had and still have a rather bad history with them, not all of us did.

 

[LizardKing]

Re: Trouble Ticket Policy for Site Admins?

[conspiracy theories and suchlike]

Did you miss the part where he's handing over a list of exploits that he knows how to use and is telling them how to fix them?

You don't need keys to the site when you have an assortment of crowbars and sledgehammers.

And read that last line again.

I've neither asked for nor proposed anything that requires faith in the purity of my intentions.

Everything you have said is utterly irrelevant. It does not matter.

 

[Redregon]

Re: Trouble Ticket Policy for Site Admins?

Did you miss the part where he's handing over a list of exploits that he knows how to use and is telling them how to fix them?

really? can you refresh my memory as to where those exploits are exactly? a handy-dandy link would be especially appreciated, relevant and convenient for all involved.

Everything you have said is utterly irrelevant. It does not matter.

mmmhmm... yeah, the den is elsewhere, try shitposting there (wait, you already do that... nevermind) (do you get tired of getting your jollies out of trying so hard to be so offensive to furries? your life really must be quite sad if that's your main source of entertainment.

 

[Eevee]

Re: Trouble Ticket Policy for Site Admins?

I apologize for derailing the thread, but "calling out" is now a punishable offense, and it seems that responding to redragon in a new thread could be construed as such. I hope the following is thorough enough to conclude this:

if you re-read, i wasn't asking for how the current admins handled your insistence, i'm talking about actual vulnerabilities. you say you have them, well, post a couple. show us that you're not just trying to blow smoke up our asses.

I did, quite some time ago. What Summercat requested is a list of explicit details: how to attack, and fix, each exploit.

here is someone that used to be admin on a site... they were removed... then they hacked it and turned it into their personal playground

I was never an FA admin; I was a developer. I was not removed; I resigned. I attacked the site once, with the assumption that the damage (which I knew to be trivially reversible) would be... trivially reversed. This proved to be ill-advised.

you were burned by the site and decided to make your own (which is still under development apparently... for quite some time too)

I've thought about building an art site for quite some time. I joined the Ferrox project because I wanted to build an art site. Resigning didn't change that.

take out FA somehow (which having access to the source code of the site would allow) and what does that leave for it's users to use as an art site? oh, yeah... yours.

I can't imagine why you think access to the source code is the one hurdle preventing anyone from "taking out" FA. It's full of known vulnerabilities now, and aside from causing some mayhem, even the worst of hacks couldn't permanently destroy the site. They'd just restore from some backups, throw up the last known good copy of the software, and keep buggering on. Even if the data were all lost permanently, a significant chunk of the users would doubtless return and start from scratch.

It's odd that I have more faith in FA's resilience than you, my accuser.

Anyway, what point is there in destroying my "competition" long before my own offering is ready for public use?

and for someone that's been all about sticking it to dragoneer in the past

My motivation has never been to "stick it" to anyone. I'm curious where the "all about" comes from, as well, since I've done precisely one actively antagonistic thing to FA.

also, let's not forget how some of your allies have in the past admitted that they somehow had some inside information that would lead to FA's collapse (talk to your friend Verix about his lovely post here on FA to that extent) and it makes it seem mighty suspicious.

I haven't a clue what verix had in mind, but fear not: he seems to have abandoned that approach.

but maybe you are merely interested in this for the good of the fandom... i can accept that... but your past actions make that a hard sell. basically, you've acted in a way that would lead people to have a lack of faith in you and you're asking them to just hand over the keys to the site... am i the only one that thinks this is all some song and dance? am i the only one that thinks you've got some motive you're not telling us?

1. I don't know if I've said my motivation is the "good of the fandom", but I wouldn't really put it like that. I'm a giant nerd, and I have something of a passion for good technology. My motive—with many things, really—is to increase the amount of good technology. My social circle currently revolves around bad technology, and I would like to see that fixed.

2. I've long since lost interest in writing free code for FA again. But the most I ever proposed was a security audit. Not specifically one from me; just one from anybody remotely qualified, and that I'd be willing. Nothing has really been done to harden security except reactively after an attack, and that alarms me greatly. (Note, again, that revealing the source code is not so much of a security concern when you already have known security holes. Nor is releasing code inherently risky.)

 

[Redregon]

Re: Trouble Ticket Policy for Site Admins?

I apologize for derailing the thread, but "calling out" is now a punishable offense, and it seems that responding to redragon in a new thread could be construed as such. I hope the following is thorough enough to conclude this:


I did, quite some time ago. What Summercat requested is a list of explicit details: how to attack, and fix, each exploit.

all that that link shows is that there are vulnerabilities... but, no actual details of where they are, how they're vulnerabilities and how to fix/exploit them... basically, i agree with summercat... you say you've got the knowledge, well, prove it. don't just speak in generalities like in that post, just post them.

I was never an FA admin; I was a developer. I was not removed; I resigned. I attacked the site once, with the assumption that the damage (which I knew to be trivially reversible) would be... trivially reversed. This proved to be ill-advised.

you were still staff... nittering over semantics will only get you so far.

and hacking a site and such is trivial? hmm... well, newsflash, even though those vulnerabilities were "being exposed so the site can fix them" it is still something that Dragoneer could very well press charges for. hacking, no matter how justified it may be, is still an offence. and really, hacking the site because people wouldn't listen to you? you do know that that makes you sound like some spoiled little child throwing a tantrum, right? explain to me how someone that has shown themselves to be childish and petty like that should be trusted at all?

I've thought about building an art site for quite some time. I joined the Ferrox project because I wanted to build an art site. Resigning didn't change that.

thought about and are doing... or so your signature links say. (http://floof.us/)

I can't imagine why you think access to the source code is the one hurdle preventing anyone from "taking out" FA. It's full of known vulnerabilities now, and aside from causing some mayhem, even the worst of hacks couldn't permanently destroy the site. They'd just restore from some backups, throw up the last known good copy of the software, and keep buggering on. Even if the data were all lost permanently, a significant chunk of the users would doubtless return and start from scratch.

granted, but for a lot of users, it would be seen as an issue of reliability and there ARE a handful that would be quite willing to jump ship if the site is down for more than a day or two (or at least that is what they whine about in various communities... given how they're such wonderful artists that one day down will cause a financial meltdown...)

It's odd that I have more faith in FA's resilience than you, my accuser.

9_9 mmmhmm... there's a difference between being faithful in a site's resilience and being an idiot by putting all my eggs in one basket.

Anyway, what point is there in destroying my "competition" long before my own offering is ready for public use?

*shrugs* i dunno... but like i said, the political side of this isn't something that can easily be ignored.

My motivation has never been to "stick it" to anyone. I'm curious where the "all about" comes from, as well, since I've done precisely one actively antagonistic thing to FA.

gee, that sounds like someone i know of at AC a couple years ago whining how "why don't people like me?" guess who it was? yep... jehryn... whining that what he did wasn't that big of a deal and being "baffled" why people are taking it so seriously.

I haven't a clue what verix had in mind, but fear not: he seems to have abandoned that approach.

you can learn more about a person when they've lost their cool than you can when they're calm and collected. their true face is easier seen that way.

1. I don't know if I've said my motivation is the "good of the fandom", but I wouldn't really put it like that. I'm a giant nerd, and I have something of a passion for good technology. My motive—with many things, really—is to increase the amount of good technology. My social circle currently revolves around bad technology, and I would like to see that fixed.

2. I've long since lost interest in writing free code for FA again. But the most I ever proposed was a security audit. Not specifically one from me; just one from anybody remotely qualified, and that I'd be willing. Nothing has really been done to harden security except reactively after an attack, and that alarms me greatly. (Note, again, that revealing the source code is not so much of a security concern when you already have known security holes. Nor is releasing code inherently risky.)

well, of course releasing code for a site nobody uses isn't risky... nor is releasing said code when it's got very little content or meat to it. apple? meet orange. say hello, orange... don't be shy, apple won't bite... hard.

i will agree, however, that it's better to be proactive... but let's be clear here... the people coding the site are novices, maybe intermediate level... and how large is the code? also, it's not like bugs and such have a nice little hash-tag saying "hey, i'm a bug... fix me or i'll do THIS!" trust me, from one who can code to another... looking for bugs isn't the easiest of tasks... especially when the code is something that was handed to you from someone else.

you want to help? offer your help. if they turn you down? just give it up. prattling on continually about it only proves your childishness... want to know how that translates?

eevee: "awww, they don't want my help... so i'm going to whine about it and hack the site... then they'll want my help." that kind of behavior won't get you a job in any professional setting so why do you think that the maintenance of a site run by fans of it's content is any different?

 

[Arshes Nei]

Re: Trouble Ticket Policy for Site Admins?

I apologize for derailing the thread, but "calling out" is now a punishable offense, and it seems that responding to redragon in a new thread could be construed as such. I hope the following is thorough enough to conclude this:

I created a new thread for the drift, fair enough?

 

[Pi]

Redregon, nothing you say makes any sort of coherent sense, and your little flameout wherein you banned me from your journal doesn't make any sense either.

Feel free to conspiracy-theory all you want, but it won't really change the fact that your screed is not grounded in reality.

You don't get to talk about professionalism and behavior when you pull motivation and accusations out of your ass.

it is still something that Dragoneer could very well press charges for. hacking, no matter how justified it may be, is still an offence

This is basically wrong and you do not know what you are talking about. Stop saying words.

 

[Eevee]

Re: Trouble Ticket Policy for Site Admins?

A lot of what you said doesn't seem to fit what you replied to, or is otherwise meandering. Most of the stuff about me is, really, a big fat red herring. Re the rest...

all that that link shows is that there are vulnerabilities... but, no actual details of where they are, how they're vulnerabilities and how to fix/exploit them... basically, i agree with summercat... you say you've got the knowledge, well, prove it. don't just speak in generalities like in that post, just post them.

Let me get this straight: you want me to post idiot-friendly precise instructions on how to attack FA?

Again: I said that I would reveal details to any FA staff member, as soon as one asked. This did not happen until a few days ago.

I'm not at all confident that the list is complete, anyway. And it doesn't solve the core problem: that FA, despite its sad track record, has little visible interest in security.

and hacking a site and such is trivial?

Please read more carefully. I said what I did was trivially reversible. That is, I knew from the beginning that it would take mere seconds to undo everything I did, and I would not have done it otherwise.

and really, hacking the site because people wouldn't listen to you? you do know that that makes you sound like some spoiled little child throwing a tantrum, right? explain to me how someone that has shown themselves to be childish and petty like that should be trusted at all?

You, others, and most of the FA staff continue to fixate on this from a purely social perspective, and I don't understand why. You're concerned with how I appear, and what the staff think of me, and assume all of my motives were about spite and personal vengeance. Everything is interpreted as a personal slapfight. From my point of view, I'm personally not relevant to the issue at all.

FA had, and still has, a serious problem. FA's staff does not appear to believe that this problem exists, or is worth concern. I demonstrated otherwise.

I guess I said I'd got the knowledge, and I proved it.

want to know how that translates?

eevee: "awww, they don't want my help... so i'm going to whine about it and hack the site... then they'll want my help."

A compelling and thought-provoking argument to be sure, but as I said, this has never been about me or my help.

FA is, objectively, factually, insecure. Even brand-new tested code is, objectively, factually, insecure. Its management is either uninterested in fixing or unable to fix these serious, recurring issues. This is bad. Calling me names and scrutinizing my motives does not make these problems less real or less severe.

You and the staff are far more concerned with mocking detractors than actually fixing the problems that are pointed out. Half a dozen people who are very good in their fields are all turned down because, as translated by multiple other staff members, Dragoneer just plain doesn't like them. I can't understand this attitude. The implication is that it's okay to leave serious security holes open, to prioritize them below personal conflict, but not okay to criticize.

Is it that "security holes" are a thing that happen to FA, making them a victim? Can we not hold people accountable for actions not taken? Why are you, a user, more bothered by the rantings of a single banned guy than the complacency of an entire organization? Are we as a subculture really so averse to pointing out objective failings?

It's okay to fuck stuff up; that doesn't make you a bad person. Just, you know... fix it.

 

[Arshes Nei]

I just wanted to say, staff is not a hive mind. While I understand the need to check first before saying things that represent the site as a whole (so that at least we look like we're on the same page). It doesn't mean we are wholly united by opinion or statement. It just means a certain level of support. However, this fracturing - and I am well aware that when I brought up the issue this would show further (in the original thread) means that not all of us just cast help aside.

It is also hard to ask for help because if you're not in the position to make things happen, you also become apathetic yourself. For example, I also could have asked but I didn't think that what I'd receive would go anywhere or further. Just some *nods* and everything goes to dark until the next drama bomb


Despite the fact that, yes a security audit can be done, there is that voice in your head where you may see or fear how people will drag out and have a lulzfest with the holes and essentially causing more issues. It's not just about how difficult it can be to accept help from those you've been at odds with for a long time, but I am no dummy and understand why the cynicism. Accepting that help can be more than you bargained for. It's something someone can also blackmail you for later.

This isn't just some piece of art where people tear it apart with critiques, but it has an impact on the user base as well.

I think though overall, what bothers me is that all these years and we couldn't get another programmer for the site? It was either 1 guy who was in charge of new projects like Ferrox. Or like now we have one main admin working on patches for the current site. I'm not looking for a big team of programmers, but really? Just 2 people with their own lives and also ideas and goals? One who is in a different time zone which can affect certain matters too with the site? If this was a rather small site, no this really wouldn't be a big deal. However, the site is growing and there is no steady goal I can see. That's troubling.

 

[LizardKing]

Re: Trouble Ticket Policy for Site Admins?

Well I guess I'll reply now it's in a new thread and isn't derailing...

mmmhmm... yeah, the den is elsewhere, try shitposting there (wait, you already do that... nevermind) (do you get tired of getting your jollies out of trying so hard to be so offensive to furries? your life really must be quite sad if that's your main source of entertainment.

...if there was anything coherent to reply to. I'm not sure how much clearer any of these responses could be phrased, so I'll just leave you to it.

 

[Redregon]

Redregon, nothing you say makes any sort of coherent sense, and your little flameout wherein you banned me from your journal doesn't make any sense either..

translation: "baawww, i tried to be a bitch in someone's journal and was blocked... waah." cry moar fa**ot.

Feel free to conspiracy-theory all you want, but it won't really change the fact that your screed is not grounded in reality.

You don't get to talk about professionalism and behavior when you pull motivation and accusations out of your ass..

who said anything about me having to be professional or whatever? you talk out of your ass, i'll call you on it. don't like it? go back to your butbuddies on lulz or vivisector or wherever the fuck it is you go to pretend you're valid, worthwhile and smrt... i'm sure they'll stroke your e-dick and tell you you're right when you really aren't.

This is basically wrong and you do not know what you are talking about. Stop saying words.

wow, you're being an idiot here... so, hacking is not illegal? since when?

http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercrime/1030_new.html

whoops, looks like a little research has proven you completely wrong in this respect. ohnoes! what are you going to say in the face of actual facts? do we have yet another case of someone saying what they're doing is awwright just because they want it to be? looks like it... shit, you're just as bad as the pedophiles and dog-fuckers that frequent the mainsite.

 

[Eevee]

I just wanted to say, staff is not a hive mind. While I understand the need to check first before saying things that represent the site as a whole (so that at least we look like we're on the same page). It doesn't mean we are wholly united by opinion or statement. It just means a certain level of support.

No matter how big a ship's crew is, it still only follows one course at a time.

I try to be careful about holding "FA" as an organization accountable instead of individual people, because this really isn't and shouldn't be personal, but of course there are only a couple people actually holding the reins. Or the wheel, or whatever metaphor we're using.

It is also hard to ask for help because if you're not in the position to make things happen, you also become apathetic yourself. For example, I also could have asked but I didn't think that what I'd receive would go anywhere or further. Just some *nods* and everything goes to dark until the next drama bomb

It's more interesting that the technical "contact" we supposedly had, who spent months in #hackerfurs, never asked me about the list. I can only imagine that it was spun as an attack on FA's integrity, and thus acknowledging it would mean that I "win"?

Despite the fact that, yes a security audit can be done, there is that voice in your head where you may see or fear how people will drag out and have a lulzfest with the holes and essentially causing more issues. It's not just about how difficult it can be to accept help from those you've been at odds with for a long time, but I am no dummy and understand why the cynicism.

It doesn't have to be a security audit from me, or Pi, or nrr, or whoever else has a fraction of a clue. It doesn't even have to be a hired guy. There are organizations that compile detailed lists of basic categories of attacks, and you can find exploits just by knowing these and poking around on a bored afternoon.

Though, still, not the problem. Many of the easy exploits on my list have the same root cause. yak knows about them, knows the cause, knows how to fix it, and has known all of these things since at least November or so. But the crappy codebase makes it hard and the new UI is coming Real Soon Now, so they're never fixed.

I think though overall, what bothers me is that all these years and we couldn't get another programmer for the site? ... However, the site is growing and there is no steady goal I can see. That's troubling.

There seems to be a dangerous culture of mistrust surrounding FA and its technology, shared by everyone who touches or controls it.

 

[Eevee]

http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercrime/1030_new.html

whoops, looks like a little research has proven you completely wrong in this respect. ohnoes! what are you going to say in the face of actual facts?

Not to be nitpicky or anything, but I haven't done anything listed in this document. Please try to read things you quote more carefully; this is several times in a single page of posts now.

cry moar fa**ot.

wherever the fuck it is you go to pretend you're valid, worthwhile and smrt... i'm sure they'll stroke your e-dick

shit, you're just as bad as the pedophiles and dog-fuckers that frequent the mainsite.

Weren't you just trying to slam me for being "whiny" and "childish"? Good grief.

 

[Pi]

translation: "baawww, i tried to be a bitch in someone's journal and was blocked... waah." cry moar fa**ot.

who said anything about me having to be professional or whatever?

hahahahahaha okay

you talk out of your ass, i'll call you on it. don't like it? go back to your butbuddies on lulz or vivisector or wherever the fuck it is you go to pretend you're valid, worthwhile and smrt... i'm sure they'll stroke your e-dick and tell you you're right when you really aren't.

... really?

wow, you're being an idiot here... so, hacking is not illegal? since when?

http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercrime/1030_new.html

Kid, this law talks about breaking into computers and causing more than $5000 in damages with intent to defraud. That didn't happen here. You really don't know what you're talking about.